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Yes, Donna, I believe that Jesus' words are the final authority for all believers and, although He was speaking to his disciples at this time, His instructions are to all who will be involved with making disciples and baptizing new converts, even to us. I do not subscribe to the theory of Mel8 that Jesus was speaking only to the apostles and therefore these instructions are not for us.
This is the teaching of dispensationalism that separates the gospels from Paul's epistles saying the gospels are for us but not to us because Jesus came for the Jews and spoke to the Jews, not us. This theory diminutizes Jesus and enlarges Paul as our teacher. But Jesus is our Lord and His words are Spirit and life. We are to listen to Him, as the Father said at His baptism and transfiguration. It is error to be so dismissive about the instructions of Jesus.
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Because dispensationalism teaches a distinct separation between Israel and the church, any Dispensationalist can chose to dismiss any part or the Scriptures as not being to them (nor applying to them) if it doesn't sit well with their mindset. This is a dangerous precedent to use concerning Scripture and erroneous at that.
For believers, Jesus should be exalted above all else, Paul included. His words and instructions should be heeded and obeyed, as Revelation 22:14 says, "Blessed are they who do His commandments." This is concerning all believers.
So, to dismiss what He commands concerning baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and insist that baptism is to be done in only in the name of "Jesus" is error. And it is a recent error that came about from the Oneness Pentecostal stream that came about in the early part of 1900's denying the Trinity and adopting modalism (Also known as Sabellianism or Monarchism in the early centuries of the church which was refuted and deemed heresy in both cases). So the "Jesus" only movement is aberrant in their teaching.
Jesus begins by saying, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations.
Now the word "go," and we hear this quoted often, but the word go in all of the manuscripts, it is not a command. It is actually what is called an Aorist Participle.
It's translated "After having gone." It is not a command to go. It's after having gone. And then the commandment is, disciple all nations. That is what the word "teach" means, disciple all nations.
Jesus said make disciples. He didn't say go make church members or Christians, but make disciples of Jesus Christ. There is only one kind of Christian and that's a disciple. If a person is a religious Christian, that's not true Christianity.
Then we have two what are called Modal Participles. These express what Jesus meant by disciple all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Now the reason why all three of the Godhead are mentioned here is because the Jews actually immersed or baptized three times. We do it once. But the Jews would dunk three times for baptism. They didn't know why they immersed the person three times.
But Jesus said when you immerse three times, one is in the name of the Father, one's in the name of the Son, and one's in the name of the Holy Spirit.
And guess who changed it? Constantine! Around 316 A.D., Constantine says that if that's the way the Jews do it, and if that is the way Jesus told them to do it, then we are only going to dunk once, just to be different.
So we dunk once in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the Jews dunk three times.
But that's why Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is used here. When we go to the book of Acts, we see that they baptized in the name of Jesus.
So now we have got this "battle of the baptisms" going on. One is Jewish, and one is Gentile.
Personally , I believe that Jesus is talking to his 11 Apostles , see verse 16+17 . Not all things are written to us , written for us yes but context must be considered , as Paul states we all have our own gifts , I don't believe I have any gifts at all . That doesn't mean I'm saying that God didn't give me everything that I have , I mean that I'm not particularly good at or useful for anything .
in any case know that the Lord has put you here on the web and writing here is useful to all who read it. Remember where two and three are gathered, there is the Lord Jesus Christ in the midst of us. Which task is the biggest?
Prayer is the greatest of all gifts. Without prayer we get nothing, without someone who prays all is lost. Without the prayer of a righteous man, there will be complete/total spiritual darkness on Earth. James 5:16
It is so great to join and pray for all people, it gives life and vitality in a dark time where we see that our loved ones feel so good about themselves that they do not see/that they need God in their lives. But there will be days when they too will fall to their knees. The day when God calls them for that He has promised. Acts 16:31
Imagine there, the whole family was saved at once, received the baptism in the Holy Spirit too! God is good to the faithful who believe. Never lose heart and stand against such thought. Every man has received a gift. Love u in Christ. Thank, Hallelujah for the Lord knows and take his people home.
Thank you for replying to me . I've been enjoying reading your posts for a long time . I pray every day for the return of Christ and for peace and safely for all . I think the best thing any of us can do for each other and any one else we come into contact with , is to try to show the love of God , through Christ in us . Prayer , faith and love . These three must be ingrained in us all so we can be at peace within ourselves and each other . I hope and pray that Jesus comes back soon so that all flesh will finally understand and appreciate the love that is always around them / us / you and me . Love in Christ dear sister .
Thx Mel8 For good words it warms a cold body today with blue ice outside and strong winds from the northwest of the Northern Hemisphere. I've been doing something as mundane as moving furniture.
God bless us all with strength in the last days in anticipation of the Lord's return. Love you all in Christ. Stay strong in the word of God.
What does Matthew 28:19 mean? Is this a command?And is Jesus the final authority on the subject?
This is the teaching of dispensationalism that separates the gospels from Paul's epistles saying the gospels are for us but not to us because Jesus came for the Jews and spoke to the Jews, not us. This theory diminutizes Jesus and enlarges Paul as our teacher. But Jesus is our Lord and His words are Spirit and life. We are to listen to Him, as the Father said at His baptism and transfiguration. It is error to be so dismissive about the instructions of Jesus.
't sit w
Because dispensationalism teaches a distinct separation between Israel and the church, any Dispensationalist can chose to dismiss any part or the Scriptures as not being to them (nor applying to them) if it doesn't sit well with their mindset. This is a dangerous precedent to use concerning Scripture and erroneous at that.
For believers, Jesus should be exalted above all else, Paul included. His words and instructions should be heeded and obeyed, as Revelation 22:14 says, "Blessed are they who do His commandments." This is concerning all believers.
So, to dismiss what He commands concerning baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and insist that baptism is to be done in only in the name of "Jesus" is error. And it is a recent error that came about from the Oneness Pentecostal stream that came about in the early part of 1900's denying the Trinity and adopting modalism (Also known as Sabellianism or Monarchism in the early centuries of the church which was refuted and deemed heresy in both cases). So the "Jesus" only movement is aberrant in their teaching.
Jesus begins by saying, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations.
Now the word "go," and we hear this quoted often, but the word go in all of the manuscripts, it is not a command. It is actually what is called an Aorist Participle.
It's translated "After having gone." It is not a command to go. It's after having gone. And then the commandment is, disciple all nations. That is what the word "teach" means, disciple all nations.
Jesus said make disciples. He didn't say go make church members or Christians, but make disciples of Jesus Christ. There is only one kind of Christian and that's a disciple. If a person is a religious Christian, that's not true Christianity.
Then we have two what are called Modal Participles. These express what Jesus meant by disciple all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Now the reason why all three of the Godhead are mentioned here is because the Jews actually immersed or baptized three times. We do it once. But the Jews would dunk three times for baptism. They didn't know why they immersed the person three times.
But Jesus said when you immerse three times, one is in the name of the Father, one's in the name of the Son, and one's in the name of the Holy Spirit.
And guess who changed it? Constantine! Around 316 A.D., Constantine says that if that's the way the Jews do it, and if that is the way Jesus told them to do it, then we are only going to dunk once, just to be different.
So we dunk once in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the Jews dunk three times.
But that's why Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is used here. When we go to the book of Acts, we see that they baptized in the name of Jesus.
So now we have got this "battle of the baptisms" going on. One is Jewish, and one is Gentile.
in any case know that the Lord has put you here on the web and writing here is useful to all who read it. Remember where two and three are gathered, there is the Lord Jesus Christ in the midst of us. Which task is the biggest?
Prayer is the greatest of all gifts. Without prayer we get nothing, without someone who prays all is lost. Without the prayer of a righteous man, there will be complete/total spiritual darkness on Earth. James 5:16
It is so great to join and pray for all people, it gives life and vitality in a dark time where we see that our loved ones feel so good about themselves that they do not see/that they need God in their lives. But there will be days when they too will fall to their knees. The day when God calls them for that He has promised. Acts 16:31
Imagine there, the whole family was saved at once, received the baptism in the Holy Spirit too! God is good to the faithful who believe. Never lose heart and stand against such thought. Every man has received a gift. Love u in Christ. Thank, Hallelujah for the Lord knows and take his people home.
God bless us all with strength in the last days in anticipation of the Lord's return. Love you all in Christ. Stay strong in the word of God.
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