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Hi Jimbob.

I disagree I used Matthew 24:37-39 as my primary verse because Jesus referred it. Those taken away in the flood was taken away for Judgment.

Here's the strongs in that verse.

: A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice) keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with bear (up) carry lift up loose make to doubt put away remove take (away up.

Here's how it reads.

It's easy to see who is taken.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood THEY WERE EATING AND DRINKING, MARRYING AND GIVING IN MARRIAGE, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

( They were carrying on like God didn't exist. When God closed the door it was to late for them)

AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM .."ALL".. AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Who's the ALL taken away by the flood?

Noah and his family was in the ark

and remained on the earth.

Vs) 40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

( The one left will enter into the Kingdom. )

GB

S Spencer Thank you for your response. Its totally up to you Spencer if you want to believe what you are saying. I can't, nor can anybody else change that. But if you don't see that post which is straight from the KJB, and the meaning of the words from the Original languages are proof the ones that are (taken) are those that Jesus says "I will come again, and ((receive you)) unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also". And the word (taken) means ((to receive near)), take (unto, with). When Jesus comes in the clouds, it is the same time period as when Jesus says (I will come again). If the church is not taken then, when will it be (taken)? If you don't see that as being TRUTH, then you are not going to believe anything that anybody posts that doesn't agree with what you already believe. I'm certainly not saying this to offend you, but it couldn't get any more clear Spencer. Nobody is right on everything we believe, but we have to be completely openminded to the truth, or we do not receive the Truth, because we think we already know it. Blessings.

We'll explained thankyou .

Agreed Jimbpb

Well explained and thoughtful.

Thank you GiGi. I would just like to say to you GiGi, don't let anything discourage you from trying to get others to see the truth. What you teach against the pre-tribulation rapture theory is correct! The more you study it the more you will see that. Instead of getting off the subject, dig even deeper into it. You are right we all should be learning from one another. Iron sharpens Iron. God Bless you GiGi.

Thank you Jimbob, I am not discouraged. Everyone will be accounting for their deeds, thoughts, and beliefs before God. We are to regularly check our doctrine to be sure that we are of the faith in aligned with truth. I try to do this continually. I have learned a lot from others on this site. Whether new knowledge from Scripture that changes my view or from reading something that makes my radars go off as being not quite right. In the first case, I decide to believe what I have been persuaded of by Scripture and to research ideas that don't seem correct. I think it is wise to do so. If we are not to check out a doctrine further, then it should not be good to listen to anyone on here either when they give an interpretation of Scripture. Those on here are not any more worthy of our listen to, than those one may find in researching on sites on the net. Those who criticize me for doing so can go ahead and criticize me, but I know there are plenty of good solid scholars, teachers and commentators online just as there are who have written volumes of books. Why should we not access these? I do not see a good reason not to. But if someone doesn't wish to do so, that is their prerogative. But it is out of line for one to chastise one for doing so.

I don't post things lightly on this forum. I take it quite seriously as we are to be helpful to others and caring and also willing to warn or rebut someone. All of these are helpful things, as I have often thanked others for bringing something to my attention whether in agreement or rebuttal.

But with all this said, I will hold my ground on what I have discovered to be plainly taught in Scriptures and be wary of beliefs that can only be made from inferring or transposing one's position upon Scripture that is not explicit.

Have a good evening. Just about to eat dinner. So, I will talk later, if I can.

Hello S. Spencer.

Thank you for your response. You can criticize me if you wish. This is a forum for us to do that and to share what we learn from Scripture.

In my responses I quoted and cited many Scriptures as you had asked for in previous posts. And yes, I will admit that I am still learning and may be wrong on some things, just as you may be.

I will take your critique into consideration.

Thanks again.

I'm not criticizing your belief Gigi,

It's a popular belief

Just understand that when dealing with such topics God didn't make it simple.

We have to do as Philip did to the Ethiopian Eunuch. Ge explained to him Jesus "By using the scripture not repetition or numbers.

It's just as easy to ask why and how do one come to his conclusion than say he is adding to scripture because maybe he's not.

God bless and good night.

Or maybe, S. Spencer, you, too, need to be open to seriously considering another's viewpoint by holding it up to what Scripture actually says. I am open to that.

I have given concrete Scriptural citations that Jesus does not come before the Tribulation to rapture believers from 2 Thessalonians 2, Matt. 24 and elsewhere. I have given Scripture citations that warn against being deceived by anyone who says that his coming is at hand ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Luke 21:8. I gave Scripture citations concerning that Jesus coming will not be secret or invisible, but will be seen by everyone, with brightness, trumpet sounds, shout, etc. Can you believe these Scriptures? Or will you continue to hold onto your belief s in a secret, invisible, imminent pre-trib rapture?

I am willing to change my beliefs when Scripture plainly teaches a correction to my view. Are you?

I am not trying to be difficult here, but you seem to feel so free to discredit my views or approach, but I do not see a willingness on your part to truly consider what I have said and hold it up to Scripture.

I pray that we both will remain open to learning from one another as the Spirit leads us. I pray that we will apply our minds to studying Scripture in the best way we are able and not accuse another of being ignorant in one's understanding, as you have to me. Let tje love of Christ guide us and the fellowship of the Spirit always be foremost between us.

S. Spencer,

I have searched Scripture about the topic of whether the millennium will be on earth or in heaven.

In doing so, I find many verses in both the OT and NT that prophesy about Jesus reigning on the earth from Jerusalem. So I may be wrong in my initial viewpoint.

But also, since Revelation is Apocalyptic writing, there is usually lots of figurative language and symbolism involved in such type of writing in both the OT an NT.

For now, I will go with what you have said, that the millennium takes place on earth.

Thank you for pointing that out to me.