Bible Discussion Thread

Ok.We all know in the garden Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel.and Adam is said to be their father. My question is when we read the descendents of Adam Genesis 5, why is Cain and Abel not mentioned? Why are they by passed and it starts with Seth?

Jimbob, I don't know if you have considred this verse or not. Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Another verse to ponder regarding reading, comprehending and the purpose of the scripture. Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Hammer63 Thank you for your response. Yes I have considered ( Gen 4:1) In that verse the word (conceived) is #2030; it means pregnant, (be, woman) with child. But you need to read the next verse for the full context ( Gen 4:2) It says "And she (again) bare his brother Abel". The word (again) is #3254; it means to add or augment, to continue to do a thing, add, again. If a woman gives birth to a child then continues to do a thing, which is her being in labour and bares his brother. Then what has happened? She had Twins! Other things point to this also, ( Gen 3:3) The word (touch) is #5060; it means to touch, lay the hand upon, TO LIE WITH A WOMAN. ( Gen 3:7) Tells us their eyes were opened and ((they knew that they were NAKED)). ( Gen 3:15-16) In verse 15 the LORD is speaking to the serpent and says "And I will put (enmity) between thee and the woman, and between ((thy seed)) and ((her seed))" First the (enmity) is #342; it means hostility, hatred, to hate, to be hostile. The word (seed) is #2233; it means posterity, carnally, child, to disseminate, bear, conceive seed. The word (seed) in Greek is #4690; it means something sown, i.e. ((seed including male "sperm")). Now we take a look at a couple of verses in the New Testament? First the Words of Jesus in ( John 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil,. Then we are told in ( 1 John 3:12) Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one,. This was the reason Cain's works were evil, and his brother's righteous? Cain was of that wicked one, the serpent in the garden, the devil. The devil was trying to corrupt the blood line that he knew Jesus Christ would come through. I hope you can see this Hammer63. Blessings.

JRR Thats a good question. Abel was the son of Adam but he was killed by Cain so he had no children, Abel had no descendants that's why he's not mentioned. Cain was not the son of Adam, he was the son of the wicked one, the devil. ( 1 Jn 3:12) and ( Jn 8:44) In ( Gen 3:15-16) v15 God tells the serpent He will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy (seed),(speaking to the serpent) and the womans seed,. The word (seed) in Hebrew is #2233; it means fruit, sowing-time, posterity, carnally, child, to disseminate, plant, fructify, bear, conceive seed. The word (seed) in Greek is #4690; it means something sown, seed including male "sperm" by implying offspring. v16 God tells the woman He will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. The word (conception) is #2032; it means pregnancy, to be (or become) pregnant, conceive, be with child, progenitor. If God multiplies her sorrow and her conception, that would mean she would be having twins.

Hi JRR.

In Genesis 5 you see Adam and Eve begat more sons and daughters, There also omitted.

"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:" Genesis 5:4.

In Luke 3:23-38 there's a genealogy of Jesus from Heli (The father of Mary) on through Seth to Adam. Joseph's father is omitted.

The focus of these genealogies is to present the line of Christ.

THE VOLUME OF THESE 66 BOOKS IS WRITTEN OF CHRIST.

In Matthew there's a genealogy of Jesus with the line going through Solomon on through David through Seth to Adam.

In Luke 3 it goes through Nathan on through David, again through Seth to Adam.

When these names are omitted are presented it's to present Jesus in a specific way and display a particular message.

SECONDLY;

The genealogy in Genesis 5 sets the stage for the next theme or story of the Bible. Noah.

You see this repeated when Abraham is presented in Genesis 11:10-32.

There's been many heresies presented around this over the years.

Some presented the idea of there were offspring that wasn't of Adam.

Even Satan is mentioned as being the father of Cain.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hi JRR,

It was after Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden before they had children. The nature and function of the information of Genesis 5 and 11 is a unique feature in these chapters in contrast to the various genealogies in the Old and New Testaments. Many assume the genealogical list is counted from father to son; there is no mention of the females, and each son is represented as the first son.

The fact is, the text never explicitly states, nor does it imply, that the sons listed were the "firstborn" of their fathers and if you consider the ages the fathers were when they had these sons. Do we believe Noah was 500 years old before he had children?

This points to these chronogenealogy lists that do not include all their children. Scripture is clear Cain and Abel were before Seth, Cain killed Abel before Seth and Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born so, Seth is clearly not the first born and we cannot assume his son and his son's son and so on that are listed may or may not be the first born.

If we follow the lists through the Bible it will show the family tree of Jesus the Messiah/Christ not a list of the first born. The Bible from the beginning is telling us of Jesus, and He will be of the seed of woman, from Eve Gen. 3:15 to Abraham, Gen. 17:7 to Mary, Matt. 1:1-17

Hope this helps,

God bless,

RLW

Amen Ronald.

The presentation is Jesus.

I didn't see your post until after I sent.

God bless.

Hey S Spencer,

Your post is helpful as well. Replies sometime takes awhile to post. Have a wonderful vacation with your wife.

God bless,

RLW

Thanks Brother Ronald.

Sorry for such a slow response back.

I believe I was on my way when you sent this.

God bless.