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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 214042

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    John 17:22-23.

    what does these verses mean to you?

    1 john 2:5-6.

    but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of god perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

    he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    this is a condition exercised by the influence of the lord being in you!!

    so this is uniquely performed amongst brothern!!

    john 13:34-35.

    a new commandment i give unto you, that ye love one another; as i have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    ( by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.)

    this is salvation at work!!

    you shall know them by their fruit! matthew 7:13-23.

    one can profess to believe in a grace based relationship with christ or even deceive themselves to believing they have a grace relationship with christ but can't display the fruit associated with what they claim to be truth.

    this is not christ "in you"

    however, there's the spirit of antichrist in th world.

    1 john 2:18.

    little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    this is why we examine ourselves.

    they lack fruit!

    1) they hate the brothern.

    2)thet dont inwardly have what's mentioned in galatians 5:22-23.

    "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    they that are christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

    contrary to fruit is;

    idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

    envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

    if we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit.

    let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    sadly a part of eschatology that won't last a week.

    god bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey S Spencer,

    I thought you were on vacation and was not looking for your response, hope ya'll had a good time. What do these verses mean to me? John 17:22-23, the first thing that I see is John 3:16, God's love. He sent His only begotten Son into this world to die for us so that we who are called believe. God's Word, the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God.

    The will of the Father that sent His only begotten Son who did the will of the One who sent Him that we may know the only true God. John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    The antichrist denies this. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    May we be as one, one body in love, all working together as Ephesians 4:11-16, and not as Ephesians 4:17-19. It starts with repentance, if one cannot see the need to repent, there is no hope of salvation.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • TammyC - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I think the verses you've used have a theme of what a Christian's behavior should be. So, if a Christian says they believe in Jesus, they do well, because even the demons believe. But a Christian should have an outward sign of belief in their works/behavior/fruit. Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." 22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

    23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

    So called Christians thought they were saved, but Jesus said He never knew them, because they were workers of iniquity (sin). They never repented.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Tammy C.

    Matthew 7:13-23.

    Here are some interesting points highlighted in this discourse;

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS? (The wonderful works is not disputed.) There was a outward show of holliness.

    And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (CHRIST WILL PROFESS TO THEM HE (NEVER) KNEW THEM! They were NEVER connected to the vine. He NEVER knew them!!

    Our outward act needs to generate from within!

    This is a circumcised heart Paul speaks of in Romans 2:29. This is not done by man it is done by conversion!

    It's what the the Jews couldn't do by self-effort by following command.

    This is also what Jesus is telling the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:25-26; Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

    Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    This is baptism by the holy spirit. We are quickened by the spirit! Christ IN us!

    Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

    For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    FOR AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, they are the sons of God.

    It IS NOT HOW BUSY WE ARE!

    IT IS HOW BUSY CHRIST IS IN US, IS THAT WHAT MAKES US SPIRITUAL.

    Also, Philippians 1:6.

    And if Christ is performing in you, you will have the fruit of the spirit present NOT the works of the flesh!

    God bless.
  • TammyC - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Agree S Spencer, We must be born again: John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.



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