Bible Discussion Thread

Is the church the elect? ( Isa 45:4) This verse gives us two key words ((elect)) and ((called)) The word ((elect)) in Hebrew is #972; it means select, choose, chosen one, (choice) The word ((called)) is #7121; it means to call out loud, properly ((TO ADDRESS BY NAME)), that are bidden, call (for, forth, self, upon) This verse also tells us God (called) His (elect) out loud by name. ( Mk 13:20) This verse gives us two key words also ((elect's)) and ((chosen)) The word (elect's) in Greek is #1588; it means select, by implying favorite, chosen, to select, make choice, choose (out) chosen. The word (chosen) is #1586; it means to select, make choice, choose (out) This verse tells us that God has (chosen) His (elect) in whom their names will be called out loud! ( Acts 2:47) The word (church) is #1577; from "2564" it means a calling out, "2564" to call aloud , to "call" aloud, call (forth) whose sur- name (was (called) Now remember ( Isa 45:4) Tells us "For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine (elect), I HAVE EVEN CALLED THEE BY THY NAME: I HAVE SURNAME THEE, though thou hast not known me.". Do you all see this? The (elect) are called out by name and the word (church) true meaning says (whose surname was called) ( Col 3:12-15) Verse 12 Tells us God is speaking of His (elect) Verse 15 Tells us the (elect) are (called) in one (body) The word (body) is #4983; it means the body (as a sound whole) "safe" to save, i.e. deliver or protect. ( Col 2:17) "the (body) is of Christ". So the (body) of Christ are those who are (called) out loud by name, the (chosen) the (church) the (elect) These Scriptures are saying the church is the elect. The elect are gathered together in ( Mt 24:29-31) Immediately after the tribulation. Those who do not agree with this just "Please" show where this is wrong ((by Scripture)) Blessings. Truth matters!

Jimbob lemme share something with you....Yes the Church is the elect lady but only b/c she is married to the Christ... Romans 8:16....If Children then heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ if we suffer with him...Its the bridegroom the H.G. that is the actual Heir...Jesus said All mine is thine and all thine is mine...Its only Christ that is the actual heir...The Elect ...But the bride the Church is a joint heir with him....Thats y John 2:1 refers to her as the elect lady....The Church wd be nothin without Christ the bridegroom....That died for her...And its his seed the living word that impregnates her....Thats y he has to know us...Her Child is the manchild the H.G. that is gona rule all nations....The Church and Christ are gonna be made 1....Thats y Romans 8 :17 says they are Glorfied together...Made 1 so she is truly the Elect lady....But had he not known her she wd be nothin...ok GBU ALEX....Remember he told some i neva knew you...Thus they birth no Child of PROMISE...The H.G....The actual Elect..

Pierre1939 AKA Alex. You missed the main point in the post. The church (IS) the elect therefore the church will be taken in the clouds by Jesus Christ, (The Son of man) as we are told in ( Mt 24:29-31) Immediately after the tribulation. It will not be a pre-tribulation rapture. Truth matters. Blessings.

Jimbob....The clouds are just symbolic language for ppl that have that living water as Jude tells us....Some folks are clouds with water and some folk are clouds without water....Meaning no H.G....No fruit unto God..And 2 Peter also mentions wells without water....Clouds they are driven by the tempests for ever...Jimbob clouds are just symbolic language....It don't mean literal clouds....And there is no physical rapture...As Rev.11:15...The Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....There is no way we can get physical Rapture outta of that....A spiritual rapture yes but not a physical rapture....As God's Kingdom is spirit....As Jesus said the Kingdom is gonna be with in you....Right here on this earth....Abide in me and i in you....God is gonna send the manchild to rule and teach all nations,Thus there is absolutely no need for a physical rapture....They shall ALL be taught of God... Isaiah 54:13....Under this NEW Covenant....On the day of Pentacost they were all caught up in the air...But that mighty rushing wind was the H.G....Their bodies didnt go anywhere....Paul writes to some You are come unto my Zion the city of the living word Hebrews 12:22....But their bodies didnt go anywhere....He was writting to them....It was just in the spirit....Jesus wants to meet us in the Spirit not in the air....But Air and Clouds are symbolic language for the Spirit and ppl...Jim can you imagine folks in the literal air... womans dresses wd be flying up....Some men wd be having a heart attack b/c of the hights....And there is no oxigen up in the clouds higher up...God don't want no kind of foolishness like that...ok lemme go....I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh... Joel 2:28 kjv thats how he is coming....51 times in the bible it says by my spirit saith the lord...Alex Gbu Jimbob....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit....Impling Gods Spirit is gonna be born in us via his seed the word.

Pierre1939 AKA Alex. ( Acts 1:9-11) v.9 Tells us "he was taken up; and a (cloud) received him out of their sight" v.11 Tells us "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" What would "like manner" be? A cloud received Him, so He will return in the clouds, or with clouds. The word (cloud) is #3507; it means cloudiness, a cloud. ( Rev 1:7) "Behold he cometh with (clouds); and every eye shall see him" This is not symbolic language for people. It is literally Jesus coming in the clouds. ( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) v16 Tells "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout" He does not come to the earth here, How do we know that? v.17 Tells us "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them ((in the clouds)) to meet the Lord ((in the air))" We meet Jesus Christ in the ((air)). Your comment about women's dresses flying up, and men having heart attacks because of heights and no oxygen up there will not be a problem Alex. ( 1 Cor 15:50) Tells us "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" ( 1 Cor 15:51-55) Tells us "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. We will all be changed to spiritual bodies to enter into the kingdom of God, there will be NO FLESH AND BLOOD. The return of Jesus in the clouds is not symbolic language. ( Mt 24:29-31) v.29 tells us "Immediately after the tribulation" v.30 tells us "and they shall see the Son of man ((coming in the clouds)) of heaven with power and great glory. ( Mt 26:62-64) v.64 ((coming in the clouds)) of heaven. (Jesus Christ will return in the clouds and True Believers will meet Him in the air in spiritual bodies) This is Biblical Truth, it is not symbolic language! Truth matters. Blessings.

Jimbob everything you are saying is true but the clouds are ppl right here on this earth....Clouds is just symbolic language for ppl that have that living water....That latter rain doctrine ...As 2 thess.1:10 He shall be glorified in his saints that are living right here on this earth....Not in literal clouds....ya gotta keep everything in context.... Rev. 11:15....The Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....Why wd you want to go into the literal clouds when he is gona be glorified in his Saints as 2 thess 1:10 tells us when he comes....Clouds is just symbolic language for ppl that have that latter rain doctrine that is gonna flood this earth but the rain is spirit...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh...Jimbob we donot need to leave this earth....As the kingdom is gonna be right here on this earth..The Kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...Right here on this earth Rev 11:15...We will meet him in ppl that have the Spirit the H.G....There is no need to go into the clouds as his KINGDOM is right here on the earth....Thats y he sends the manchild to rule all nations...And he sends the angel to preach the everlasting gospel to ALL THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH Rev. 14:6..Thus his kingdom will truly be right here on this earth...Jim God is spirit thus we can only meet him in the Spirit..Thus the clouds are just symbolic for ppl that have been bornagain and have that latter rain doctrine the spirit ....Jimbob there wd be no need for us to leave this earth if the Kingdoms of this world are gonna be come the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ...Air is just symbolic language for the Spirit....As Jesus likens the wind for the spirit and the wind is just AIR...Thus the air/wind is just symbolic for the spirit John 3 :8....That Mighty rushing wind was the H.G. in Acts 2:2....The house was filled with the Spirit. Stay n context.

Pierre1939 I mean no offence here but you are the one who has the problem of taking Scripture out of context Pierre. The Scriptures provided in the comment where in context. ( Acts 1:9-11) Tell us Jesus will return ((in the clouds)). ( Rev 1:7) Tells us He cometh ((with clouds)), and every eye shall see Him. ( 1Cor 15:51-55) Tells us we are changed to spiritual bodies at the last trump. v.55 Tells us O death where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? There will be no more death for True Believers in Jesus Christ when we meet Jesus in the clouds in spiritual bodies. Where do we go when we are taken from this earth and changed to spiritual bodies ( Phil 3:20-21) like unto His glorious body? We are taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb, ( Rev 19:7-9) Now how do we know this marriage supper is in heaven? ( Rev 19:11-15) v.11 Tells us "And I saw heaven opened," v.14 Tells us the armies which were ((in heaven)) followed him upon white horses, ((clothed in fine linen, white and clean)) Now read ( Rev 19:8) The wife of the Lamb at the marriage supper was ((clothed in fine linen, clean and white)) Those who meet Jesus Christ in the clouds are those at the marriage supper of the Lamb, they are also those who follow Him upon white horses back to the earth to judge and make war. ((This return to the earth will end the wrath of God which was being poured out on the disobedient non-believers who were left on the earth and begin the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth)) Those who come with Him would be the elect, the church, the bride of Christ, the body of Christ. Pierre if you are wrong, (which you are) about this being symbolic language then how much is that throwing your interpretation off of the last days prophecies? The Truth should be the only thing that matters for True Believers in Jesus Christ. God is not the author of confusion! How can you say (Stay in context) and say these verses with Jesus coming (in the clouds) is symbolic language? Blessings.

Jimbob, Thanks for sticking to the point and not wavering or being distracted away by over spiritualized responses. If anyone can show us in Scripture where it specifically states that Jesus said that He will rapture the church before the tribulation, they are welcome to cite these Scriptures. But you and I know that no such Scriptures exist and that the Scripture truly says that the saints will be gathered after the tribulation. 2Thess. 2:1-11, Matt. 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:24-27.

GiGi You are right again GiGi. No one can show those Scriptures because there are no Scriptures that say that. The above post is Biblical proof that the church and the elect are the same. The elect are gathered together by the Son of man, Jesus Christ "Immediately after the tribulation". Stay strong in your Faith, Thank you GiGi. God Bless you.