Bible Discussion Thread

I'd like to share some verses I've been noticing lately during my readings in regards to once saved always saved or not. Some verses appear to support it so I see why people believe this, but is that really what it means?

John 10:28 - neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What about followers who voluntarily left His hand?

Luke 15:4-7 - Jesus gives the parable of the lost sheep. But the sheep is still a follower. If the sheep denounced its Shepherd and left the herd to become a wolf, Jesus doesn't say He goes to rescue wolves but just the sheep in His flock. Verse 7 also adds a condition- "if" the sheep repents. People often skip that part. Maybe it's uncomfortable for some to humble themselves to genuinely repent and ask for forgiveness to God. I think this is what Jesus expects. It doesn't say the Christian can follow the world, sin as much as he wants, abort babies, use profanity, cheat, lie, steal, kill, abuse the body with drugs, and fill with lust, and not repent, not follow Jesus and be 100% fine. I see no verse saying that is all is fine if done intentionally. Seems like doing that is like spitting in Jesus's face and mocking what He did for us.

Heb 6:1 talks about repentance. Heb 6:6 says those who have "fallen away" can be brought back through repentance. If it wasn't possible for Christians to fall away then why does the Bible say that Christians can fall away? It says its a disgrace, like crucifying Jesus all over again.

Heb 5:13 says that some Christians are still living on milk like an infant and still not pursuing righteousness. Some in this forum have claimed that effort to be righteous is "bad" and apparently doing evil is good? That of course is from satan.

Heb 5:2 talks about Christians who have gone astray or "out of the way" of the path. If it were not possible to veer off the path of following Jesus then why does the Bible warn us not to do that?

Heb 4:1 warns Christians to not fall short of God's "rest".

Heb 3:19

Adam Thats a good post. This could be one of those things people believe because its what they've been taught. ( 2 Thess. 2:3) clearly tells us there will be a (falling away) first. The word (falling) is # 646; it means defection from truth, (properly the state) [ "apostasy" ] forsake, divorce, (writing of) divorcement. These had to be true Believers who defect from truth and are given a writing of divorcement from the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you Adam. Truth matters.

Amen, yes that what falling away or depart means, in these last days. Only turn to doctrine of devils.Yes, 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [2] Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I agree. 2 Peter Chapter 2

20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Like you've shown, Adam, there are many verses that warn a Christian to not fall away. It is possible, and it will be worse on them that have known the truth and turned from it, than to have never known it at all.

God Bless

Adam I hear what you are saying....Very interesting...But satan is gonna sow a Tare in with the good seed the wheat...making us do all kinds of evil things..That y Paul was saying when i wd do good good evil is present with me....Paul was taken hostage by satan and his TARES...Even in the natural sometimes a soldier is taken hostage and the enemy makes him say all kinds of things publicly to his home country...He is brain washed, Thats y Paul was saying if i do something I do not consent unto its not I that does it but sin that dwells in my members...Oh wretched man that i am....Roman 7:16...We are involved in a war with satan....This war is raging in our minds thus war in heaven The tares against the wheat...With my MIND i serve the law of God but with my flesh the Tare the law of sin... Romans 7 :25 kjv..Paul was involved in a warfare...But Paul cd not fallaway simply b/c the Wheat is the H.G....Just b/c a soldier makes all kinds of derogatory remarks about his home country does not make him a traitor....Thats us, the Tares tries to take our MINDS but nothin can separate from the love of God.

...... Romans 8: 38 ...For i am persuaded that nothin can separate us from the love of God...Not life nor death nor principalities nor powers nor things present nor things to come nor heights nor depth nor any creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God....But we must remain a good soldier and endure to the end...Even tho satan is gonna try very hard with his Tares to make us fallaway...As jesus said my father that gave them me is Greater then all and no man can pluck them out of my Fathers hands....Any way Adam this is my slant on falling away....Hope it helps ya a bit...Gbu Adam