Bible Discussion Thread

Is ( Mt. 24:29-31) the rapture of the church or is it the same event as ( Rev. 19:11-16)?

It is the rapture of the church. Read ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17) then see the comparison below of ( Mt. 24:29-31) and ( Rev. 19:11-16)

3 things that clearly show ( Mt. 24:29-31) is the same event as ( 1Thess. 4:17-18) which is the rapture of the church.

1) ( Mt. 24:30) Tells us "the Son of man coming ((in the clouds))" ( 1 Thess. 4:17) "caught up together with them ((in the clouds)) to meet the Lord in the air".

2) ( Mt. 24:31) a great sound of ((a trumpet)). ( 1Thess. 4:16) and with ((the trump)) of God. (That don't sound like a secret does it)?

3) ( Mt. 24:31) and they shall ((gather together)) his elect. ( 1Thess. 4:17) we which are alive and remain shall be ((caught up together)) with them in the clouds.

When we look at ( Rev. 19:11-16) Jesus comes (from heaven) in ( Rev. 19:11) and (to the earth) in ( Rev. 19:15) riding a white horse to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

1) There is no mention of any clouds or of Him coming in the clouds.

2) There is no sound of a trumpet or trump of God.

3) There is no gathering together but armies do come back with Him.

( Mt. 24:29-31) Is the rapture of the church which is the same event as ( 1 Thess. 4:15-17) Truth matters! May God Bless all who Seek His Truth.

Jimbob, You are struggling to understand these verses because you are mixing prophecy and mystery. There is a difference between the second coming and the catching away (rapture) of the church the body of Christ. The second coming relates to prophecy, add thus Israel. Jesus will return to the earth to finish EVERYTHING that was revealed in the OT concerning Israel and their future earthly kingdom. The rapture of the church is mystery information Jesus revealed only to the Apostle Paul. The rapture deals with all that have been saved since the body of Christ began in the middle of the book of Acts with Paul. If you separate all these verses as scripture instructs they all make sense. If you continue to mix prophecy and mystery as pretty much all of Christianity does you will never understand these verses completely. Learn to rightly divide the scriptures as instructed by Paul and it all makes sense.