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I seek the council of brothers and sisters in Christ on two verses which at first glance seem in opposition. One seems to say we have no sin when abiding in Christ and the other says if we deny that we're sinners then the truth and his Word is not in us. When reading the context around each, each verse seems to double down on each statement. Both seem to be addressed toward Christians, like 1 John 1:7.
Any thoughts?
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." 1 John 3:6 KJV
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:10 KJV
I am an old man. I have studied God's word a long time. All new Christ men and Christ women have been in our shoes, as it was when I started reading God's word.
You know the old story. Feed a man a fish and it stops his hunger. Teach a man 'to fish' and he can stop a lot of hunger.
God's word is pregnant, it grows and grows each time you read. I was taught to read God's word 'verse by verse, chapter by chapter. I try to alway ask God for that 'word of wisdom each time I study.'
Before reading, find the 'who', 'what' 'when' and 'where' and as you start to read you can feel the 'Spirit' with you, when you feel that subject come to you or you know what the chapter is about.
When we sin and ask God's forgiveness, we don't forget to forgive ourself when we are finished asking God's forgiveness, that is a no, no. When God forgives it is blotted out, finnie, forgotten, he never wants to hear about it again.
I am thankful someone is always on this website to help when when we need that help. God Bless.
Adam In ( Rom. 3:21-26) v22 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: v23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". v24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is Jesus Christ" v25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation ((through faith in his blood)), to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God".
I think the key verses are ( 1 John. 8-9) v8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".
v9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".
True Believers in Jesus Christ will walk in the light and will confess their sins, and He will forgive them of their sins and cleanse them from all unrighteousness. We must Believe in Jesus Christ and confess our sins to Him before He will forgive our sins. If we say that we have no sin, (then we don't confess our sin) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ( 1 Jn. 1:8)
This is my thoughts Adam. This may not be the answer you were looking for but maybe it can be used to build upon to find your answer. God Bless you.
That's what is called a Perfect Tense. That is, you have never sinned up to this point, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
What does that mean?
Paul says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. We have all of the Old Testament scriptures that talk about the corruption of man and the sinfulness of man, and all of the New Testament scriptures that talk about man's sin, the total depravity of man.
And some of the Gnostics said "I've never sinned. It was my body, not me!"
If we say that we have not sinned, we're making God a liar because God says in His word you're a sinner. And if you say you have not sinned, His word is not in you. You're not saved!
And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.
But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed. There's still some stain from the world and its influence that is running interference in our relationship with the Lord.
At the beginning of John Chapter 15, Jesus told the disciples that you are cleansed through the word which "I have" spoken unto you, indicating that everything Jesus said to them, they were in the process of being cleansed every time He talked to them.
So it's interesting, if we walk in the light "as" He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ "is" cleansing, continuously, us from all sin.
1 John 3:6, Whoever abides in Him, that is, in the Lord, does not sin:
Wow! A Christian does not sin according to the scriptures. Please let me explain.
Again, the word abides is a Present Participle, (abiding). Whoever has Him abiding "is" Present Tense, not sinning, (continuously) as a habit of life.
We're not talking about committing an act of sin. We're talking about committing sin continuously, a lifestyle of not surrendering to Christ.
But this is a condition. Whoever is continuously remaining in Him, does not practice sin, ever! I can never go back and live the old lifestyle I lived before I received Christ. It's impossible.
In contrast: Whoever sins, and again that's a Participle. Whoever is continuously sinning has not seen Him, neither have they known Him. That's a pretty bold statement to make!
I will send a Part 3 (final part, I promise!) and give you my understanding of 1 John 1:10
I can share with you my understanding of the verses you gave. I think this might help.
In 1 John 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
But notice this:
While we are having this fellowship, and He is the light, right? The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. That's partly what happens in fellowship when we're in His word. He brings conviction.
The psalmist in Psalm 119 also said that God's word is a lamp unto his feet. God's word is a light. And whenever we're under the influence of the Holy Spirit in our study of the word of God, God brings conviction because He shines the light and brings conviction.
But notice this: The blood of Jesus Christ His Son, first of all, is cleansing. It shows a continuous action.
Secondly, notice what he says: Us! He didn't say you. He said us. He's including himself. Whenever we have fellowship together in the light, as we walk in the light as God is the light, He is cleansing us.
Jesus didn't just die for my sins on the cross, and die so I would be forgiven, and I'm forgiven once. I'm forgiven for all of my sins. But Jesus left us a teaching in John Chapter 13.
Remember when He washed the disciple's feet. He took a towel, and got down and did the slave servant duties, and began to wash the disciple's feet.
And when He came to Peter, Peter said you're not going to wash my feet. I should be washing your feet. You're the Lord. So Jesus tells Peter, if you don't let me wash your feet, you have no part with me.
So Peter says "Give me a bath then!"
And Jesus says no, you don't need that either. Once you have been totally cleansed, all you need is your feet washed.
And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.
But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed.
Any thoughts?
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." 1 John 3:6 KJV
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:10 KJV
I am an old man. I have studied God's word a long time. All new Christ men and Christ women have been in our shoes, as it was when I started reading God's word.
You know the old story. Feed a man a fish and it stops his hunger. Teach a man 'to fish' and he can stop a lot of hunger.
God's word is pregnant, it grows and grows each time you read. I was taught to read God's word 'verse by verse, chapter by chapter. I try to alway ask God for that 'word of wisdom each time I study.'
Before reading, find the 'who', 'what' 'when' and 'where' and as you start to read you can feel the 'Spirit' with you, when you feel that subject come to you or you know what the chapter is about.
When we sin and ask God's forgiveness, we don't forget to forgive ourself when we are finished asking God's forgiveness, that is a no, no. When God forgives it is blotted out, finnie, forgotten, he never wants to hear about it again.
I am thankful someone is always on this website to help when when we need that help. God Bless.
I think the key verses are ( 1 John. 8-9) v8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".
v9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".
True Believers in Jesus Christ will walk in the light and will confess their sins, and He will forgive them of their sins and cleanse them from all unrighteousness. We must Believe in Jesus Christ and confess our sins to Him before He will forgive our sins. If we say that we have no sin, (then we don't confess our sin) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ( 1 Jn. 1:8)
This is my thoughts Adam. This may not be the answer you were looking for but maybe it can be used to build upon to find your answer. God Bless you.
1 John 1:20, If we say that we have not sinned,
That's what is called a Perfect Tense. That is, you have never sinned up to this point, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
What does that mean?
Paul says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. We have all of the Old Testament scriptures that talk about the corruption of man and the sinfulness of man, and all of the New Testament scriptures that talk about man's sin, the total depravity of man.
And some of the Gnostics said "I've never sinned. It was my body, not me!"
If we say that we have not sinned, we're making God a liar because God says in His word you're a sinner. And if you say you have not sinned, His word is not in you. You're not saved!
I hope this helps, God bless!!!
God bless,
RLW
1 John 1:7 continued:
And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.
But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed. There's still some stain from the world and its influence that is running interference in our relationship with the Lord.
At the beginning of John Chapter 15, Jesus told the disciples that you are cleansed through the word which "I have" spoken unto you, indicating that everything Jesus said to them, they were in the process of being cleansed every time He talked to them.
So it's interesting, if we walk in the light "as" He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ "is" cleansing, continuously, us from all sin.
1 John 3:6, Whoever abides in Him, that is, in the Lord, does not sin:
Wow! A Christian does not sin according to the scriptures. Please let me explain.
Again, the word abides is a Present Participle, (abiding). Whoever has Him abiding "is" Present Tense, not sinning, (continuously) as a habit of life.
We're not talking about committing an act of sin. We're talking about committing sin continuously, a lifestyle of not surrendering to Christ.
But this is a condition. Whoever is continuously remaining in Him, does not practice sin, ever! I can never go back and live the old lifestyle I lived before I received Christ. It's impossible.
In contrast: Whoever sins, and again that's a Participle. Whoever is continuously sinning has not seen Him, neither have they known Him. That's a pretty bold statement to make!
I will send a Part 3 (final part, I promise!) and give you my understanding of 1 John 1:10
I can share with you my understanding of the verses you gave. I think this might help.
In 1 John 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
But notice this:
While we are having this fellowship, and He is the light, right? The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. That's partly what happens in fellowship when we're in His word. He brings conviction.
The psalmist in Psalm 119 also said that God's word is a lamp unto his feet. God's word is a light. And whenever we're under the influence of the Holy Spirit in our study of the word of God, God brings conviction because He shines the light and brings conviction.
But notice this: The blood of Jesus Christ His Son, first of all, is cleansing. It shows a continuous action.
Secondly, notice what he says: Us! He didn't say you. He said us. He's including himself. Whenever we have fellowship together in the light, as we walk in the light as God is the light, He is cleansing us.
Jesus didn't just die for my sins on the cross, and die so I would be forgiven, and I'm forgiven once. I'm forgiven for all of my sins. But Jesus left us a teaching in John Chapter 13.
Remember when He washed the disciple's feet. He took a towel, and got down and did the slave servant duties, and began to wash the disciple's feet.
And when He came to Peter, Peter said you're not going to wash my feet. I should be washing your feet. You're the Lord. So Jesus tells Peter, if you don't let me wash your feet, you have no part with me.
So Peter says "Give me a bath then!"
And Jesus says no, you don't need that either. Once you have been totally cleansed, all you need is your feet washed.
And that's what happens with a believer. The moment that you receive Christ, you are cleansed and forgiven for all of your sins.
But we're still out in the world during the day. We need our "walk" cleansed.
I'm out of space so I will send a part 2
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