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  • Primalesque on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    I'm sorry, but scriptures like this make me wonder if Jesus was anything more than a very kind and wise philosopher. It contradicts his own teachings. Calling your friend "Satan" because they don't want you to die?! Even if Jesus' death was ultimately good for us, there's no way Peter could have truly known that. I guess even Jesus could be in a cranky mood sometimes.

    All "the things of God" are about loving other PEOPLE. We can only manifest our love for God through our treatment of each other. It's too convenient to "put God first" in a vacuum where you never have to ACT on that love. God cannot die; people can. God cannot starve; people can. God doesn't reproduce; humans do. God doesn't take up space or dillute resources we may want for ourselves; people do. Many "things of men" ARE things of God, like marriage, brotherhood, charity, medicine, math and language, and much more. Things that help us fulfill Godly ambitions, not things we designed for our own pleasure and convenience.

    Hate to sound like I'm arguing with Jesus. Maybe he was referring to something else about Peter that isn't mentioned there, I don't know. Just don't see how it could be "Satanic" to warn your dearest friend away from a brutal death. Especially if you don't know that their death will be good for everyone else. In that case, Judas should be considered a hero for turning on him.
  • Jema - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Satan is a part of all of us at points in our lives , he is the prince of this world and gets under all of our skins occasionally , we are all sinners . When Jesus calls Peter Satan , he is addressing the devil in Peter , satan savours not the things that pertain to God , he's all for the flesh and this life in the physical . It was God's will for Jesus to die on the cross that we might be reconciled to Him through Christ . Jesus knew this but Peter didn't understand that at this point , he wanted Jesus in the flesh , in his physical form , in this life , he wanted his friend to be alive and with him . Satan was using Peter to tempt Jesus into giving up his mission and not going to the cross . Satan was in Peter at that moment but Peter didn't realise that , Jesus was speaking to satan in Peter , Peter his friend , his friend who loved him and didn't yet fully understand Jesus's mission and purpose , which was from God , I hope you can understand that . Keep reading your Bible , all the answers are there .
  • Duncan - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Part 2, Continuation.

    - So here Satan Knew very well what He was doing and one fact that you Mention in your post is that peter was a friend of The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God and Satan attempted to use this friendship and this moment to tempt The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God Also Satan knew very well what is written in Matthew 6:54 ,54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?.

    - And to get a clear understanding of how Satan took over peter, remember the events of Judah when Satan entered him resulting to the betrayal of The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God. it's written in Luke 23:3-4 , Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. 4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him unto them.

    hence you see here Satan was responsible for enticing both Judas and peter, Therefore Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God Rebuked peter by saying get behind me Satan. Jesus The Living God never said this word because he was in a cranky mood, but he rebuked Satan who was enticing peter to speak those words which he spoke to Jesus.

    So, what lessons do we learn from this Events?

    1. Always be on your Gurd as a Christian who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God, for our weapons is not carnal but might through God and we do not wrestle Flesh and blood but persons without bodies who are always looking for opportunity to entice us to Sin. so Put on the whole armor of God. its written in 2 Corinthians 10:3 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

    2. Satan will even attack someone close to you Just to get through to you and this is an example of his Attacks and it's important for every believer who believes the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God to Read your Bible To be given in Prayers and to fast before God and if anyone Lucks wisdom let him pray and ask the
  • Jema - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    This post has been really helpful to me . I am struggling to honour my parents at the moment . They are not religious at all . They are both elderly and vulnerable alcoholics with many health problems . My mom in particular enjoys giving me a hard time , she always has done so . Humiliating me in front of others , belittling me etc . She knows that I won't argue back with her . It's hard for me not to be hurt and embarrassed by this but recognising that it's the devil in her is a helpful concept that hadn't occured to me before . If nothing else , this will help me to be stronger and less sensitive to her attitude towards me and not bear a grudge towards her . Thank you for that .
  • Duncan - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Let us glory in the Lord for He is our help i will remember you in my Prayers Amen.
  • Jema - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for your kindness .
  • David0921 - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Matthew 16:18,19

    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    In verse 18 the "rock" is Christ Himself, not Peter. And the "church" is the "eternal church" i.e. All whom God has saved, not the local churches and and denominations.

    Verse 19 more properly translated, as I understand it, should read like this

    : And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall having been bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall having been loosed in heaven.

    In other words, the action is God's action reflected in the action of true believers as they are faithful to the Word of God. It is not God's reaction to the action of the believers; it is the other way around.
  • Duncan - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 1

    Hi

    -Please pray for understand for God will give him who ask freely.

    It's written in John 10:35 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35, If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    meaning the bible cannot contradict itself. infact Jesus Has Said this in Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them.

    So, my advice to you is to Kneel down and repent of your unbelief and ask The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God to Help you understand His words The sharp two- Eged sword.

    In Matthew 6:22 -23. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

    -What we fail to see here is this, Satan entered unto peter and he is using peter to try and deceive Jesus Christ not to Go to the Cross and if The Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God would have not gone to the cross then the whole bible would be compromised, and every word of prophecy would collapse just by that one action. remember Just before Jesus was arrested by the temple Gurds/solders What He said unto them. in Matthew 27:53-54

    53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
  • MountHoreb - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    We have a good example of the book of Job.

    the bible said he was a righteous man and fearing GOD.

    Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) himself called job righteous.

    It was Satan doubting Job as a righteous man Job 1:6-11.

    Satan planted seeds of Doubt by raising up 3 friends of Job

    who spoke without really understanding Job 2:11. Their false

    assumptions cause job many pains.

    Jesus is aware of the traps of Satan and how he uses deception and lies.

    Luke 4 and Matthew 4.

    Speaking about things we don't understand in a since can be

    like the ways of Satan John 8:44. false accusations and hinderance to do what is

    right or what God wants us to do is from Satan- Genesis 2:15-17; Genesis 3:1-5

    Jesus wasn't saying Peter was Satan. but he was being a hinderance to

    his obedience to Jehovah God. John 3:16,17; Isaiah 12:2

    Jesus after his impalement, Jesus came to Peter again. John 21:15-17

    We can avoid hindering others by praying.. Matthew 6:9,10,13
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 16:18 - 1 year ago
    Hello Primalesque.

    Jesus by calling Peter a satan tried to show Peter what a serious fault it is for one to oppose God's work in humanity for salvation. Anybody who does that is a satan, figuratively. Because it is satan who tries to stop God's work on people. Salvation has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus doesn't place His feelings for Peter infront of mankind's salvation. At that time Peter was an obstacle on Jesus way to the cross. Often newly saved christians are opposed by their families to follow Jesus. But they have to follow Jesus and not their feelings for their family. Because if they follow their feelings they will loose what they have earned and they won't be able to lead their families to salvation either. GBU



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