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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 215560

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • MountHoreb - 1 year ago
    Why did Jesus say blaspheming against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven? Mark 3:29
  • YVANG - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Notice Mark 3:28-29, Jesus answered "...ALL sins will be FORGIVEN the sons of men and WHATEVER blasphemies they may utter.

    That is including ALL sons of men and ALL blasphemies they may utter, provided of course they repent from their sins.

    But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit NEVER has forgiveness but is subject to eternal condemnation. Daniel 7: verse 8 and 11 show us who is the one without forgiveness: the beast speaking pompous words and he was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

    Also in Rev 13:5 "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for

    42 months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle and those who dwell in heaven.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    YVANG thanks for replying.

    Who is the beast speaking blaspheme? and what does the horns represent?

    you mentioned Daniel 7 and revelation 13. and who is the dragon giving this

    beast power?
  • John P - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good morning MountHoreb,

    All you need to do is read Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24 and you will see, with your spiritual eyes the same story told in three different way.

    God's elect, and very elect, stood against Satan in the 'First Heaven, Earth AGE' and I am sure they will do it again.

    IF THEY DO NOT STAND AGAINST SATAN IN THIS EARTH, HEAVEN AGE, THEN THAT IS BLASPHEMING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    i personally do not believe it will be happen.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    photographers may visit the same place. same place but different lens.
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    As Giannis said , attributing the power of the only living God Almighty , the Holy One of Israel , to anyone or anything else other than God , is blasphemy . As God says in many places , there is no other , He is God alone and He is a jealous God . Isaiah Ch 42 verses 1-8 .
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Yes humans glorify each other. but this glory may be different from the way

    God in heaven Sees. 1 Samuel 16:7

    Jesus who was chosen by Jehovah- psalm 83:18

    Who is the one Chosen by God to bring salvation- John 3:16,17

    never glorified himself. Matthew 22:36,37 but with the glory

    and honor and title God gave to him, he spoke. John 5:19

    Matthew 23:8-12; LUKE 1:28-33; Isaiah 9:6,7
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Just to undergird the very good responses from brothers Giannis & Richard, MountHoreb; we need to bear in mind that to blaspheme against the Holy Ghost is not just speaking against some spirit as one could to some messenger sent by God - the one blaspheming is actually speaking against God Himself - hearing God's Words, seeing God's Works, having the Son of God come unto them & then declaring him (God) a devil. Jesus says that this is the most evil of sins against God: that to deny & curse Him, the One Who has great Mercy to save completely or has all Power to dissolve them in an instant.

    Jesus in His Humanity, could take the taunts & abuses of men, for that is Who He was in the world & how He came from within the Divine Personages; but the Holy Spirit in Jesus did not come representing God, but is God Himself, through His Son, manifesting Himself to the world. As the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy ( 1 Timothy 3:16): "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." If any speak against & curse this Great God (coming in the flesh, initiating the only possible salvation for mankind, & then returning to Glory - through the manifesting of His Son & Holy Spirit), then their judgement & destiny are final.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Yes. Pharaoh during the days of Moses.

    is a key example. Exodus 4:4-9

    Despite the evidence, refused to

    believe. Exodus 9:27-30; Exodus 9:33-35

    Denying Jesus was blaspheming against

    the spirit. John 1:14-18; Matthew 5:17,18; Matthew 7:28,29

    and refusing his father in heaven who sent

    Jesus also. Matthew 3:16,17; John 3:14-18
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen MountHoreb. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31. Rather, our hope & prayer for all men & especially for those in the household of faith should be as seen in Hebrews 10:22, "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesus began His ministry with strict instructions not to tell anyone who He was. This was because those who did recognize Him as the Messiah were going to draw undue attention on having Him reign and rule in an earthly Kingdom before His time. In not recognizing Him beyond a teacher or Prophet they could respond to Him on the human level.

    The Pharisees were the ones who actually were given this admonition when they accused Him to be performing miracles under the power of Beelzebub. They also accused Him of His claim of being the "I AM" which of course meant that He was divinity; along with His claims of John 8:58 of being around before Abraham came into existence. We need to keep in mind that these people were firsthand witnesses to miracles that had never been seen such as a blind coming to sight and at the end of His ministry Lazarus being raised from the dead who was undoubtably well known after many other such miracles. It is preposterous to think that anyone but God has power over life and death and can create something out of nothing. Only God can forgive sins as well.

    A logical person or even neutral could look at themselves and see how attempting to kill Christ 10 times or so before the crucifixion along with all the other blasphemy and insults He put up with shows they have an evil nature themselves. The Pharisees used religion to control people and put them in the bondage of self righteousness which is basically the most narrow way to hell. They expected their Messiah to be like them; and they forgot the weightier matters of the law (certainly a proper love and fear of the Lord).

    But only God can reveal things; such as the case when Peter was told this by the Lord as to who He was ( Matt. 16:16). When we see miracles as well as those filled with the Spirit and say such things we are calling what is good evil. That comes from a heart so hardened that it has singed the conscience beyond repair; as even the demons see and fear.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello MountHored.

    Blashemy againt the Holly Spirit is when one attributes the actions of the Holly Spirit to devil, like the Jews did when claiming that Jesus healed people with the power of satan, thus attributing the action of healing not to the Spirit but to the devil.

    It is unforgivable when one does that on purpose, which means that one fights against God on purpose. But it has to be done when one knows what they do (fight God), not just repeat what they had heard from somebody else and just repeat it without thinking about it.

    Devil often tries to convince christians, especially newly born christians, that the have done that, by just placing such thoughts in their mind, because if one believes that what they had done that and will never be forgiven then they collapse and may leave the faith. So be careful about devil's methods. People who blashemy against the Spirit of God never worriy or feel any guilt. They never repent.

    GBU
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Wow! thanks for comment!
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Nicely explained , thank you .
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hiya MountHoreb....The H.G. is our new innerman our new heart and new spirit the Kingdom....Its Kingdom against Kingdom when our old demonic adamic nature blasphemes against the H.G....Our old adamic nature is in rank with satan....Thats y Jesus refered to Peter as satan....He had not been bornagain of that incorruptible seed just yet...Its like war in heaven. and this sin is unforgiveable....Simply b/c its satan that is at war with Gods Kingdom the H.G...You can speak a word against the father or the son but not against the H.G....Simply b/c the H.G. is your 1 and only new innerman that results from his seed your new birth....Your only hope for the Kingdom is your new innerman the H.G....Thus you cannot offend him in any way....Take heed that you dispise not one of these little ones...Which is your new innerman...The babes and sucklings he mentions that can praise God with a perfect praise....ok GBU
  • John P - In Reply - 1 year ago
    MountHoreb,

    I may be able to answer this one. Mark 13:9-11. Don't let this bother you. Satan cannot touch you. God has told him, 'you will not touch a hair on the head of my elect! If you are one of God's elect and you have not died. In the flesh. And, if you are still here when Satan is kicked out of heaven on the earth, if you as one of God's elect, refuses to let God speak through you, that is the unforgivable sin. That is what Jesus was talking about. That is the only sin Jesus he cannot forgive. I wish I could be here when that happens. I would love to give that sucker a piece of Father's mind through me.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Do you believe Satan is still in heaven Today? Revelation 12:5,7-12



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