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Lemme ramble just a bit about the COMFORTER Which is the H.G. the spirit of truth...the manchild that is gonna rule all nations And is gonna reprove the world of sin and Judgement and Righteousness....This can only happen by what Jesus did at Calvary by his blood.....The bible in its self....the written word cannot reprove the world of sin and Righteousness and Judgement.....There are zillions of bibles in this world but this world is getting more wicked and Evil every day....Its only by what Jesus did at Calvary in his blood that is gona reprove this world of Sin etc and judge the prince of this world satan.....Which is mans carnal minds satans seat
......Thats y Jesus is saying to search the scriptures in them you think you have Eternal life....But it is only them that bear witness of me....Which is only the H.G. the living word....Eternal life is only by his blood not in the scriptures the written words the bible.....All the bibles in the world can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....And redeem mankind back to God....Only by Calvary that New Covenant can we be bornagain of his incorruptible seed which is the living word....That liveth and abideth for ever.....the living word the gift of the H.G....The CONTENTS of the book of life....That he wrote with his own blood.....All the bibles in this world can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Thats y Jesus is saying when he the spirit of truth is come ( the manchild the comforter) he will reprove the world of sin etc....But the manchild does not come till the woman gives birth....Then the Kingdom of God comes Rev.12:10....And Salvation.....But there is no kingdom or Salvation till after the Cross....After the woman gives birth ...When i see the blood i will pass over you remember that lil diddy ....There are zillions upon zillions of bibles in this world but this world is in deep darkness....Simply b/c there is no Eternal life in the scriptures.....only the blood...
I do not normally respond to you since your beliefs seem to be so contrary to what the Bible is teaching. You seem to believe that God the Holy Spirit is communicating directly with you in some articulated form, perhaps in a dream or a vision or a voice or a tongue, apart from the Bible. And that belief runs absolutely counter to what God very clearly declares in Rev 22:18, which is a very dangerous place to be and I would never want to be in that position.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 John 2:1-6 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Once the Bible was completed, God the Holy Spirit only communicates to mankind via the scriptures and He opens our understanding as we search the scriptures "comparing spiritual with spiritual". "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God", the Bible.
The True Gospel is circumscribed by the Bible alone and in its entirety. And that is the only Gospel I want to be following.
David0921....love ya my man.....But you are not understanding that the manchild which is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD is gonna rule all nations with a rod of iron..... Rev 12:5.....Jesus said unless you receive the KINGDOM of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in.....Not the written word but the living word which is the gift of God the H.G.....Its only the H.G. that can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Not the bible per se the written word....Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones....The babes and sucklings he mentions a New Covenant....our new hearts and new spirits....Its only the manchild the spirit of truth that can reprove this world of sin and Righteousness and Judgement....Not the written word.....As there are zillions of bibles in this world but the world is in deep darkness.....Churches on every corner but this world is in deep darkness....ppl just like you David that think that there is eternal life in the scriptures....The bible is not the gift of God its only the H.G. that is the gift of God and what he did at Calvary by his blood .....This is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it....There is a baby Christ in our near future, thats y he had to die when a seed dies it multiplies.....That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus the babes and sucklings an Israel of God.....Jesus did not leave us a bible he only left us a SEED an incorruptible SEED ....Which is the LIVING WORD NOT THE WRITTEN WORD...Unless the Lord of the Sabbath had left us a SEED we wd have been made like Sodom and Gomorrah...We have zillions of bibles and Churches on every corner but our world is exactly like Sodom and Gomorraah and ppl like you David are too blind to see it.....But listen to what Jesus is saying these things are HID from the wise and Prudent and Only revealed unto babes....Whosoever receiveth one such CHILD IN MY NAME RECEIVETH ME.
If you DIED on the cross with Christ: and ONLY Christ arose, and you arose a NEW CREATION, Christ in you, the Holy Ghost in you.
You are now just the BODY of Christ.
Why would you NOT BELIEVE the Holy Ghost communicates with the body HE LIVES IN.
Christ ONLY arose from the GRAVE, that GOD'S GIFT to YOU.
The written word ONLY declares the WORKS of God, to bring you to TRUTH, who you are as a NEW CREATION.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (in you) that WORKETH both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You don't think when you WILL or DO, it's not the HOLY GHOST talking to you, your his BODY, every second he is talking to you, CAUSING YOU to will and do his good pleasure.
The bible is his WITNESS to this.
Ezekiel 36:27 I will out my spirit (the Holy Ghost) IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
YOU DIED on the CROSS, only CHRIST arose, making you a NEW CREATION, the BODY of CHRIST (the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God)
The Spirit WILL rule all nations with a ROD, Christ in YOU, the ROD of Jesse.
Is this why , Jesus says in John Ch 16 V 7 , that the Comforter will not come unless he ( Jesus ) goes away ? That would help to explain John Ch 15 V 26 - Ch 16 V 15 .
When the Bible speaks of the believer having died with Christ, that is referring to the fact that Christ paid the full penalty for the sins of every true believer as their substitute. And the wages of sin is death.
It does not mean that we died physically with Christ when he paid for our sins. It also does not mean that our current physical body will never die.
It does mean that we will never come under the wrath of God, because Christ experienced the wrath of God for each and every one of his elect.
I confess that I do not follow much of what you are saying in your posts, but I do sense significant inconsistencies with what the Bible declares.
When a true believer dies physically, their body goes into the grave to await the resurrection of the last day. In their soul existence, they go immediately to be with Christ in heaven, because they have received their resurrected soul when they became born again. When Christ returns on the last day, their bodies will be resurrected, a glorified spiritual body, which will be reunited with their resurrected soul to again form a complete personality, which will live and reign with Christ in the new heavens and the new earth.
If the believer is still living when Christ returns, their physical body will immediately be changed into a glorified, spiritual body, so that they also will again be a complete Resurrected personality, body and soul, that will live and reign with Christ in new heavens and new earth eternally.
Regarding God speaking today, in a voice or vision or dream or tongue, Rev 22:18,19 is very clear that cannot happen once the Bible was completed. God only speaks to us directly through His Word the Bible.
It is true, that once we have become born again, Christ does indwell us and works within us "to will and to do of his good pleasure". How that actually operates is a mystery, but it has nothing to do with receiving additional articulated revelation from God.
Based upon what you are saying, what is the current condition of believers such as Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, all those whom Christ has saved and have died. Are they alive in their physical bodies somewhere?
How do you understand the passages in the scripture that clearly state these believers experienced physical death, and they're physical bodies were buried?
I do understand the Bible clearly teaches that all of these believers are indeed alive in their Resurrected soul existence, and currently residing in their soul existence with Christ in heaven, awaiting the last day, when they will receive their glorified spiritual bodies at the resurrection of the last day. That I think is very clear from the Bible.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The First Resurrection in Revelation 20 is becoming Born Again.
All the saints (elders) in the old testament died a physical death; because Christ, the promised SEED had not yet COME to give ALL immortal life by his resurrection.
Ezekiel 18:4 .... the SOUL that sinneth it shall DIE .....the soul goes to the grave .....
The promise in both the Old and New Testament has always been the promise of eternal live, destroying the enemy of man, DEATH.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all (the saints in the Old testament), having obtained a good report through faith (believing in the coming messiah to deliver them from death), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE.
Hebrews 11:40 For God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect (resurrected with Christ, Christ ONLY is perfect and hath immortality dwelling in the light .... 1 Timothy 6:16)
Matthew 27:52-53
All creation was given immortality at the same time: when Christ was resurrected; Christ only was resurrected, creating a NEW CREATION.
Revelation 21:5 ... Behold, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW ....
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in CHRIST (Christ ONLY was resurrected), he is a NEW creature: old things have passed away, Behold, all things have become NEW.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow (God foreknew all creation), he did also PREDESTINATE (by Christ resurrection) to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN (Christ ONLY arose) of many brethren (CHRISTians).
......Thats y Jesus is saying to search the scriptures in them you think you have Eternal life....But it is only them that bear witness of me....Which is only the H.G. the living word....Eternal life is only by his blood not in the scriptures the written words the bible.....All the bibles in the world can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....And redeem mankind back to God....Only by Calvary that New Covenant can we be bornagain of his incorruptible seed which is the living word....That liveth and abideth for ever.....the living word the gift of the H.G....The CONTENTS of the book of life....That he wrote with his own blood.....All the bibles in this world can reprove this world of sin and righteousness and Judgement.....Thats y Jesus is saying when he the spirit of truth is come ( the manchild the comforter) he will reprove the world of sin etc....But the manchild does not come till the woman gives birth....Then the Kingdom of God comes Rev.12:10....And Salvation.....But there is no kingdom or Salvation till after the Cross....After the woman gives birth ...When i see the blood i will pass over you remember that lil diddy ....There are zillions upon zillions of bibles in this world but this world is in deep darkness....Simply b/c there is no Eternal life in the scriptures.....only the blood...
I do not normally respond to you since your beliefs seem to be so contrary to what the Bible is teaching. You seem to believe that God the Holy Spirit is communicating directly with you in some articulated form, perhaps in a dream or a vision or a voice or a tongue, apart from the Bible. And that belief runs absolutely counter to what God very clearly declares in Rev 22:18, which is a very dangerous place to be and I would never want to be in that position.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 John 2:1-6 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Once the Bible was completed, God the Holy Spirit only communicates to mankind via the scriptures and He opens our understanding as we search the scriptures "comparing spiritual with spiritual". "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God", the Bible.
The True Gospel is circumscribed by the Bible alone and in its entirety. And that is the only Gospel I want to be following.
If you DIED on the cross with Christ: and ONLY Christ arose, and you arose a NEW CREATION, Christ in you, the Holy Ghost in you.
You are now just the BODY of Christ.
Why would you NOT BELIEVE the Holy Ghost communicates with the body HE LIVES IN.
Christ ONLY arose from the GRAVE, that GOD'S GIFT to YOU.
The written word ONLY declares the WORKS of God, to bring you to TRUTH, who you are as a NEW CREATION.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (in you) that WORKETH both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You don't think when you WILL or DO, it's not the HOLY GHOST talking to you, your his BODY, every second he is talking to you, CAUSING YOU to will and do his good pleasure.
The bible is his WITNESS to this.
Ezekiel 36:27 I will out my spirit (the Holy Ghost) IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
YOU DIED on the CROSS, only CHRIST arose, making you a NEW CREATION, the BODY of CHRIST (the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God)
The Spirit WILL rule all nations with a ROD, Christ in YOU, the ROD of Jesse.
God Bless You
Christ had to go away, so he could come the second IN MAN, his body.
Christ is still on earth in the flesh, IN YOU.
The Kingdom of God is on earth; and in earth, we are the dust of the earth.
God bless you.
When the Bible speaks of the believer having died with Christ, that is referring to the fact that Christ paid the full penalty for the sins of every true believer as their substitute. And the wages of sin is death.
It does not mean that we died physically with Christ when he paid for our sins. It also does not mean that our current physical body will never die.
It does mean that we will never come under the wrath of God, because Christ experienced the wrath of God for each and every one of his elect.
I confess that I do not follow much of what you are saying in your posts, but I do sense significant inconsistencies with what the Bible declares.
When a true believer dies physically, their body goes into the grave to await the resurrection of the last day. In their soul existence, they go immediately to be with Christ in heaven, because they have received their resurrected soul when they became born again. When Christ returns on the last day, their bodies will be resurrected, a glorified spiritual body, which will be reunited with their resurrected soul to again form a complete personality, which will live and reign with Christ in the new heavens and the new earth.
If the believer is still living when Christ returns, their physical body will immediately be changed into a glorified, spiritual body, so that they also will again be a complete Resurrected personality, body and soul, that will live and reign with Christ in new heavens and new earth eternally.
Regarding God speaking today, in a voice or vision or dream or tongue, Rev 22:18,19 is very clear that cannot happen once the Bible was completed. God only speaks to us directly through His Word the Bible.
It is true, that once we have become born again, Christ does indwell us and works within us "to will and to do of his good pleasure". How that actually operates is a mystery, but it has nothing to do with receiving additional articulated revelation from God.
You said when a believer dies his body goes to the grave to await the resurrection.
The word says unbelievers go to the grave to await the resurrection, they will be raised back in there bodies of flesh and blood.
Believers never die again, they have already died once with Christ.
Martha had the same belief as you, she said to Christ:
John 11:24 ..... I know he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Martha was a unbeliever.
Jesus SAID:
John 11:25 ..... I am the resurrection ....
John 11:26 Whosoever BELIEVETH IN ME shall NEVER DIE .....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE:
When did they DIE? .... on the cross .....
for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, on such the SECOND DEATH has no power .....
God bless you
Based upon what you are saying, what is the current condition of believers such as Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, all those whom Christ has saved and have died. Are they alive in their physical bodies somewhere?
How do you understand the passages in the scripture that clearly state these believers experienced physical death, and they're physical bodies were buried?
I do understand the Bible clearly teaches that all of these believers are indeed alive in their Resurrected soul existence, and currently residing in their soul existence with Christ in heaven, awaiting the last day, when they will receive their glorified spiritual bodies at the resurrection of the last day. That I think is very clear from the Bible.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The First Resurrection in Revelation 20 is becoming Born Again.
All the saints (elders) in the old testament died a physical death; because Christ, the promised SEED had not yet COME to give ALL immortal life by his resurrection.
Ezekiel 18:4 .... the SOUL that sinneth it shall DIE .....the soul goes to the grave .....
The promise in both the Old and New Testament has always been the promise of eternal live, destroying the enemy of man, DEATH.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all (the saints in the Old testament), having obtained a good report through faith (believing in the coming messiah to deliver them from death), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE.
Hebrews 11:40 For God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect (resurrected with Christ, Christ ONLY is perfect and hath immortality dwelling in the light .... 1 Timothy 6:16)
Matthew 27:52-53
All creation was given immortality at the same time: when Christ was resurrected; Christ only was resurrected, creating a NEW CREATION.
Revelation 21:5 ... Behold, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW ....
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in CHRIST (Christ ONLY was resurrected), he is a NEW creature: old things have passed away, Behold, all things have become NEW.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow (God foreknew all creation), he did also PREDESTINATE (by Christ resurrection) to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN (Christ ONLY arose) of many brethren (CHRISTians).
God bless YOU!
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