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Regarding the discussion about whether we are saved and cannot loose our salvation . I'm not supporting any one person's views but I will explain mine if I may . Jesus's prayer in John chapter 17 is very telling to me , I shall not expound it but I will leave it to you to infer what you will from it . I believe that God knows who will be among His treasures and we don't know about anybody else because we don't truly know the heart of anyone else , only God knows us totally . I look at all those TV evangelists living in luxury and I wonder whether or not they are truly saved ? There was a man in my congregation , married over twenty years . His wife discovered that she has H.I.V. He confessed that he had been regularly sleeping with men even before he was married . The church was just a lifestyle to him . We all thought he was a true Christian through and through , is he saved ? I don't know because I don't know his heart and I'm not his judge , God will judge him through Christ . We all sin , saved or not , none of us is clean but we are covered , Christ has covered us with his innocent blood and God doesn't see our sins anymore . That doesn't mean that we are sinless , it means Christ has paid the penalty for our sins and God will not impute them to us . Our relationship with Christ is very personal and we are not under the law we are under grace . There may be times in our lives where we will be faced with choices and sometimes those choices will involve us doing things that the law says is wrong , do I have to honour my violent abusive atheist parents ? You have all faced choices . God knows who is His , He knew before we were born . It's not our business to judge others , they have their own personal relationship with Christ . We may warn someone or advise someone but if they don't heed our warning that's their choice and they must work out their own salvation and speak to God about it through Christ . God knows everything about everyone , we don't .
Thank you for this comment and thank you for starting a new thread.
There is no more important doctrine or teaching that God has given us in the Biblical than this:
What is the True Gospel? And what is the True Nature of God's Salvation Program?
I am absolutely convinced that everything in the Bible, every historical event, every passage, every verse in the entire Bible is teaching us something about God's Salvation Plan, i.e. the Gospel.
This includes all aspects of the Gospel such as the condition of mankind, sin, God's Judgment Plan, election, predestination, God's plan for this world, God's dealing with National Israel, God's dealing with the organized churches (i.e.the church age), the total destruction of this sin-cursed earth and creation of New Heavens and New Earth, the Eternity He has in store for those whom He saves, I could go on.
Sometimes God provides information regarding the Gospel in relatively clear language. Sometimes in language that is not at all immediately clear. Sometimes in language that is to be taken very literally. Sometimes in language that is parabolic in nature. And sometimes in language that is both very literal but also is a parable with deeper spiritual meaning. But ALWAYS related in some way to some aspect of the GOSPEL, which is circumscribed by the Entire Bible.
Jema, I have not responded specifically to what you have said in your post, but in several aspects I do agree.
Ultimately it is God Himself who must open our understanding to truth in accordance with His Will and His Timetable, as we search the scriptures.
I believe that much of what is in the Old Testament is a foreshadow of the New Testament and that it's a great benefit to us as Christians , to have a good understanding of both . They are not separate things to me , they are a whole and there is nothing extraneous in the Bible , there are no coincidences and it's all deeply relevant and very helpful to us as it's symmetry and beauty help to strengthen our faith in the tough times . To see the perfection of God's Word is such a strengthener to me . God leaves nothing to chance . He provides everything for us in His Word , it is meat and drink to us , to me for sure . This life can be very difficult and distressing and it is really only the things that pertain to God that keep me sane and cheerful every day , if I have God's love and mercy in my life then I'm happy , truly happy . The things of this life are just pleasant distractions that don't have much substance and are only temporary , the Truth is eternal , my God is eternal , Thy Kingdom come .
Hope your cat is doing better. The New fulfills the foreshadows of the Old. Just 4 and there are to many to count, 3 of the feasts were a foreshadowing that Jesus fulfilled down to the day and minute when He came, and 1 at Pentecost. There is a verse that stood out to me a long time ago that said to me the importance of the Old and the New. It is in the middle of parables and probably means something different, but it does to me.
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
Your understanding that much of the Old Testament is a Shadow of the New Testament is absolutely correct. This is particularly true when we look at God's dealings with National Israel. Not only is the Old Testament dripping with the Gospel message in many many respects, but in God's dealings with National Israel He is also providing information about how God has and is dealing with the New Testament Churches.
Many many of the events recorded in the Bible about National Israel and Juda, as well as other historical events are actually Historical Parables. That is, they are historical events faithfully recorded as they actually occurred, but in the particulars of these events and in the specific words and phrases used, when we search it out allowing the Bible to be its own interpreter and its own dictionary, comparing scripture with scripture, we find a deeper spiritual message. And much of that message is related to the very days in which we are living.
"Christ spoke in parables and without a parable He did not speak" ( Mark 4, Matt 15). When we begin to understand this principle and apply it to our study of the Bible, so much of the Bible opens up with a CONSISTANCY and COHESIVNESS that we cannot not see otherwise. For example, the Books of Ruth and Esther are historical events that are dripping with aspects of the Gospel message. Jeremiah, Isaiah and the other Old Testament prophetic Books are dealing with Our Day as much, and sometimes even more, than they were dealing with National Israel and the time in which they were written.
It is not easy work to search out these things. But those who have understood and carefully applied this principle and / or have had the opportunity to listen to Bible teachers that have done their homework carefully and faithfully in this manner, have been blessed.
The bottom line is that The Bible Alone and in Its Entirety is God's Word of which God ALONE is the AUTHOR. The Bible is its own Interpreter and its own Dictionary.
Thank you for this comment and thank you for starting a new thread.
There is no more important doctrine or teaching that God has given us in the Biblical than this:
What is the True Gospel? And what is the True Nature of God's Salvation Program?
I am absolutely convinced that everything in the Bible, every historical event, every passage, every verse in the entire Bible is teaching us something about God's Salvation Plan, i.e. the Gospel.
This includes all aspects of the Gospel such as the condition of mankind, sin, God's Judgment Plan, election, predestination, God's plan for this world, God's dealing with National Israel, God's dealing with the organized churches (i.e.the church age), the total destruction of this sin-cursed earth and creation of New Heavens and New Earth, the Eternity He has in store for those whom He saves, I could go on.
Sometimes God provides information regarding the Gospel in relatively clear language. Sometimes in language that is not at all immediately clear. Sometimes in language that is to be taken very literally. Sometimes in language that is parabolic in nature. And sometimes in language that is both very literal but also is a parable with deeper spiritual meaning. But ALWAYS related in some way to some aspect of the GOSPEL, which is circumscribed by the Entire Bible.
Jema, I have not responded specifically to what you have said in your post, but in several aspects I do agree.
Ultimately it is God Himself who must open our understanding to truth in accordance with His Will and His Timetable, as we search the scriptures.
Hope your cat is doing better. The New fulfills the foreshadows of the Old. Just 4 and there are to many to count, 3 of the feasts were a foreshadowing that Jesus fulfilled down to the day and minute when He came, and 1 at Pentecost. There is a verse that stood out to me a long time ago that said to me the importance of the Old and the New. It is in the middle of parables and probably means something different, but it does to me.
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
God bless,
RLW
Glad your cat is doing better
Your understanding that much of the Old Testament is a Shadow of the New Testament is absolutely correct. This is particularly true when we look at God's dealings with National Israel. Not only is the Old Testament dripping with the Gospel message in many many respects, but in God's dealings with National Israel He is also providing information about how God has and is dealing with the New Testament Churches.
Many many of the events recorded in the Bible about National Israel and Juda, as well as other historical events are actually Historical Parables. That is, they are historical events faithfully recorded as they actually occurred, but in the particulars of these events and in the specific words and phrases used, when we search it out allowing the Bible to be its own interpreter and its own dictionary, comparing scripture with scripture, we find a deeper spiritual message. And much of that message is related to the very days in which we are living.
"Christ spoke in parables and without a parable He did not speak" ( Mark 4, Matt 15). When we begin to understand this principle and apply it to our study of the Bible, so much of the Bible opens up with a CONSISTANCY and COHESIVNESS that we cannot not see otherwise. For example, the Books of Ruth and Esther are historical events that are dripping with aspects of the Gospel message. Jeremiah, Isaiah and the other Old Testament prophetic Books are dealing with Our Day as much, and sometimes even more, than they were dealing with National Israel and the time in which they were written.
It is not easy work to search out these things. But those who have understood and carefully applied this principle and / or have had the opportunity to listen to Bible teachers that have done their homework carefully and faithfully in this manner, have been blessed.
The bottom line is that The Bible Alone and in Its Entirety is God's Word of which God ALONE is the AUTHOR. The Bible is its own Interpreter and its own Dictionary.
That is exceptionally well said. Amen!!
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