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What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD, I mean, is a Person, self-executable. Hebrews 1:1-3:
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son-JESUS-, whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by WHOM also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's PERSON (the Word made flesh), and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
According to the Word of GOD above we can see two Persons. GOD the Father, the Word, and GOD the Son, the Word made flesh. By the way, the Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: I and my Father Are One- John 10:30. And John 14:8-10 reveals:
8 Philip saith unto JESUS, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
The Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: ...no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him- Matthew 11:27.
And John the Baptist,the angel of the Lord,said:No man hath seen GOD at any time,the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.
But who is the 3rd Person? What does the Word of GOD say, besides 1John 5:7?
JESUS said: When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you FROM the Father-the Word-,even the Spirit of Truth, which proceeds from the Father, HE shall testify of me-John:14:26
When he,the Spirit of truth,is come,he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself;but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall He speak
1 john 5;7 The Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost are one. the words in this scripture do not say to me 3 separate Compleat persons. It says to me 3 parts to make one person. I have been praying to have peace and understanding about Godhead -Trinity Doctrines but I still do know what to believe. I believe Jesus is the son of God and He sacrificed himself and shed his blood to cover my sins. (pay the price for the sins of mankind)
When we talk about the nature of God and the "God Head" we are walking on very holy ground and we must recognize that our finite peanut minds cannot sort this out. We must accept by faith what the Bible declares about God Himself and not try to go beyond that.
We know from the Bible that God the Father is Eternal God Himself; that the Lord Jesus Christ is Eternal God Himself; that the Holy Spirit is Eternal God Himself. And we know that there is only ONE God.
We know that when Christ, Eternal God Himself, paid for the sins of all whom He saves, He endured the Wrath of God Himself and actually DIED as God Himself, as their substitute. And God describes his character and attributes throughout the Bible in many many ways. All of which are absolutely true.
How can all this be?
So again, our finite minds cannot sort this out and "explain" God. And when we think we have it is a certainty that we have not. We read what God declares about Himself and must accept it by faith.
I do not want to create a debate, but you say do not go to the Greek, 1 John 5:7 a simple verse. I understand this verse is held in high regards and I say this in love, not to rebuke but to inspire true study for the truth. This verse is not in any Greek manuscripts before the 1500s, it was in the marginal notes and in the Latin translations.
I just want to inspire study for the truth, not a I am right you are wrong; the truth is what we are in search of, the true meaning. No need to reply to just study for your own understanding.
Thank you for sharing this information RLW , I was aware of it but was nervous about putting it out there . There are one or two other anomalies that I'm nervous about sharing also :) . Sometimes it takes great courage to share things that we know are very serious and important and that might literally alter the way people think and what they believe , messengers are not always appreciated :) . Then of course the messenger can be accused of bringing the Bible into disrepute when of course it is those in charge of the translating and publishing that will be held accountable . I had Bibles many years ago KJV's , that said things in the margins like ' not original' , wish I had kept them ! Some I'm sure , will choose to ignore your info but as I said , I'm sure the translaters and publishers will bear the deserved punishment . May God bless you and keep you with us .
"Bit of advice, don't go to the Greek. A simple verse to explain it all is 1 John 5:7"
The Holy Spirit never uses us to interpret Scriptures by the letter, even in Greek, it is very danger thinking from human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:22-23.
He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all. John 3:31
1John 3:1-3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as e is pure.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirt are three titles for one God. Just like my dad, my dad is a father, son, and brother, but, he is one person. It the same way with God.
Godhead is a word that is in 3 verses in the KJV. Acts 17:29Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9. Godhead comes from an Old English word godhede in 1200 AD. In Acts it is the Greek word theios that means divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature. In Romans, it is the Greek word theiots that means divinity, divine nature. In Colossians, it is the Greek word theots that mean deity, fulness of deity.
These are three different Greek words that the translators chose to translate Godhead. You ask is the Godhead one God or three persons? Some use this word to refer to the doctrine of the Trinity but in the context of the chapters this word is used, does not refer to that.
Godhead is God the Father himself, it pleased him to have all His divine fullness to dwell in His only begotten Son. The meaning for the word Godhead is the divine nature of God that was manifested in His only begotten Son, John 10:38John 14:10.
Your question is more about the doctrine of the Trinity I am sure others would reply on that.
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Thank you and may God bless you!
Greetings in Christ JESUS
What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD, I mean, is a Person, self-executable. Hebrews 1:1-3:
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son-JESUS-, whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by WHOM also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's PERSON (the Word made flesh), and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
According to the Word of GOD above we can see two Persons. GOD the Father, the Word, and GOD the Son, the Word made flesh. By the way, the Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: I and my Father Are One- John 10:30. And John 14:8-10 reveals:
8 Philip saith unto JESUS, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
The Word made flesh-JESUS-, He said: ...no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him- Matthew 11:27.
And John the Baptist,the angel of the Lord,said:No man hath seen GOD at any time,the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.
But who is the 3rd Person? What does the Word of GOD say, besides 1John 5:7?
JESUS said: When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you FROM the Father-the Word-,even the Spirit of Truth, which proceeds from the Father, HE shall testify of me-John:14:26
When he,the Spirit of truth,is come,he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself;but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall He speak
CJF.
When we talk about the nature of God and the "God Head" we are walking on very holy ground and we must recognize that our finite peanut minds cannot sort this out. We must accept by faith what the Bible declares about God Himself and not try to go beyond that.
We know from the Bible that God the Father is Eternal God Himself; that the Lord Jesus Christ is Eternal God Himself; that the Holy Spirit is Eternal God Himself. And we know that there is only ONE God.
We know that when Christ, Eternal God Himself, paid for the sins of all whom He saves, He endured the Wrath of God Himself and actually DIED as God Himself, as their substitute. And God describes his character and attributes throughout the Bible in many many ways. All of which are absolutely true.
How can all this be?
So again, our finite minds cannot sort this out and "explain" God. And when we think we have it is a certainty that we have not. We read what God declares about Himself and must accept it by faith.
I do not want to create a debate, but you say do not go to the Greek, 1 John 5:7 a simple verse. I understand this verse is held in high regards and I say this in love, not to rebuke but to inspire true study for the truth. This verse is not in any Greek manuscripts before the 1500s, it was in the marginal notes and in the Latin translations.
I just want to inspire study for the truth, not a I am right you are wrong; the truth is what we are in search of, the true meaning. No need to reply to just study for your own understanding.
God bless,
RLW
There's other trinity verses too and people here are trying to ignore all that and force God into their own box.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Perfect. Perfect.
"Bit of advice, don't go to the Greek. A simple verse to explain it all is 1 John 5:7"
The Holy Spirit never uses us to interpret Scriptures by the letter, even in Greek, it is very danger thinking from human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:22-23.
He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all. John 3:31
1John 3:1-3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as e is pure.
It says there is one Lord (God).
Jesus said, " I and my Father are one".
Father, Son, and Holy Spirt are three titles for one God. Just like my dad, my dad is a father, son, and brother, but, he is one person. It the same way with God.
Godhead is a word that is in 3 verses in the KJV. Acts 17:29 Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9. Godhead comes from an Old English word godhede in 1200 AD. In Acts it is the Greek word theios that means divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature. In Romans, it is the Greek word theiots that means divinity, divine nature. In Colossians, it is the Greek word theots that mean deity, fulness of deity.
These are three different Greek words that the translators chose to translate Godhead. You ask is the Godhead one God or three persons? Some use this word to refer to the doctrine of the Trinity but in the context of the chapters this word is used, does not refer to that.
Godhead is God the Father himself, it pleased him to have all His divine fullness to dwell in His only begotten Son. The meaning for the word Godhead is the divine nature of God that was manifested in His only begotten Son, John 10:38 John 14:10.
Your question is more about the doctrine of the Trinity I am sure others would reply on that.
I hope this helps,
God bless,
RLW
Thank you, I read the comments every day.
God bless,
RLW
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