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Hi David0921

Greetings in Christ JESUS

You are right.

Again: Isaiah 9:6KJV - 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 you quoted was LITERALLY fulfilled around 2000 years ago because the Word is GOD, and literally materialized in flesh and blood. It's the Power, understand? GOD's Power, well, the Word is GOD, GOD the Father, self-executable, understand? Great mystery.

In fact, The Word is GOD, GOD the Father, the same was made flesh, and the NAME of GOD made flesh is JESUS, the EXPRESS IMAGE of the PERSON of GOD- Hebrews 1:3. Take a look. The Word-GOD the Father-and the Word made flesh-GOD the Son- are One, and without GOD the Son was not made any thing that was made, says the Word, GOD the Father.

The mystery above is very hard to discern and understand, but why? JESUS explains the why: Matthew 11:27- No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, AND HE TO WHOMSOEVER THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM. (It's impossible to know the Person of GOD the Father, except if it be revealed by JESUS, as He said, otherwise is impossible to know GOD.

By the way, John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord, clearly said that "No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him." It's it. Hallelujaaa!!!

Once again , you read my heart and mind and say what I cannot , thank you :) .

Hello Ronald,

I believe that one is saved through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father who was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus' sacrifice is eternally efficacious for forgiving sin and paying the just penalty for our sins because He is God. Only God can save us and only God can forgive sins. Jesus declared to people that their sins were forgiven, so He is claiming a right that only God possesses. I believe that the Holy Spirit was sent by the Father AND the Son. In Scripture, the Father speaks of Himself as an "I" and about Jesus and the Holy Spirit as "you". Likewise, Jesus speaks of Himself as "I" and of the Father and the Spirit as "you". The Spirit speaks to us about Jesus and brings glory through us to the Father. These truths from Scripture show me that there are three distinct "persons" in the Godhead but, as the Scriptures also say, there is only one Being who is God.

The Scriptures tell us that God is Love. Since He does not acquire any attribute but possesses all of His attributes fully, infinitely, and eternally. Therefore, before creation, the Godhead loved each other and were in relationship to one another as "I"s, "You"s, "We", and "Us". If there is only One Person in One Being then who did God love before creation since His attributes are a description of how He acts?

For me, the God I worship is Triune, Three Persons (Who one is) in One Being (or essence-what one is-Deity). All three are fully Deity and possess all that Deity is equally without dividing up the Divine essence. The Persons are distinct from one another, but united in one Essence(Deity). So there are not three gods, only One, but the Godhead lives as three Persons.

I know that some who profess to be Christian do not believe this way. I think that believing in the Triune Godhead is essential to one's Christian faith. If one does not believe in the Triunity of God, then they worship a different god than I and others who believe this. ..cont

Hello Jema,

The reason that I used an historical source is that the church continued after the death of all the apostles and the writing of the NT Scriptures. The first council was the one in Jerusalem, probably about 50 A.D. in Acts 15 where the topic of what of the Mosaic Law the Gentile believers were to follow. Paul and Barnabas attended this council, meeting with Peter, James, and perhaps a few others. The topic of the Trinity or divinity of Jesus was not discussed at this one. You can find out what the early bishops (the first ones appointed by the apostles and subsequent ones by the preceding bishops) spoke about these two topics but you will not find the writings of these bishops in the Bible.

I adhere to the teaching of the Word. It is my source for God's revelation to man. However, History is source to discover how the early saints believed and how the church functioned over the centuries. learning such history is not contrary to learning the Word nor is it forbidden by the Word.

I looked up the teachings of Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, for example, to find out what they taught on these topics. They lived in the late first century into the second century. For me, what they taught is important because they were so close in time to the teachings of the apostles and it gives us information about what was passed down to them before the NT was compiled and there were just the letters/writings of the apostles copied and passed to the churches.

If we look at what is taught in the churches today and compare that to what was taught in the Scriptures and practiced in the early church years we can see that what we do today is very different from then. This does not mean that all of what we do today is wrong. It just contrasts what was practiced early on.

The early church leaders did need to refute false doctrines as the Scriptures instructed. See Titus 1:10-16; 2 Peter 2; all of Jude; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim. 6:3. ... cont.