What does the Word of GOD say for this current time, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium? The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
Romans 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you(we), are ye(we) unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels (ANGELS of the Churches: Revelation 2:2; and 2:9; and 2:14-17; and 2:20; and 3:1-3; and 3:7-8; and 3:14-18)? How much more things that pertain to this life?
Daniel 7:22
22 ... and Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.
Revelation 11:15-18
15 ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Get ready
1 Peter 4:17 - 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
You asked: How does Satan deceive this whole world? Rev.12:9
Revelation was written in the first century of Christian Era, at that time the Devil had already deceived mankind for around 4000 years, even JESUS was tempted by the Devil I suppose in Neguev, but Satan still had not 7 heads; The 7 heads was still in the embryo.
But now, in this current time of Apocalypse, around 2000 years AC, the body of the Devil will be completed with 7 heads, and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his 7 heads.His new name now is red Dragon-Rev.12:9-,and his TAIL drew (shall cast down)the third part of the STARS of heaven to the earth.(STARS? who are the STARS? Job 38:4&7 combined with Daniel 12:3).
When the red Dragon-Rev.13:11-gives his POWER,and his Throne in Jerusalem,and great Authority to the Beast of sea, upon which rides de great whore-the Roman Catholic Church-then the holy city will be trodden by the Gentiles- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2, and he will join Catholicism and Judaism(iron and clay- Daniel 2), then the body of Satan/the Dragon will grow exceedingly, but it will grow even more with the adhesion of evangelical churches whose angels are fallen or spiritually dead, these will form or constitute the TAIL of the Dragon, these will believe in the false messiah, the Beast that will rise from the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), a false lamb, a false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined from Revelation 13:11, then the Red Dragon's body will be complete with his 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL. By the way, the origin of the false messiah is of the 10 tribs of Israel,especifically of the trib of Dan- Genesis 49:17.
He will exercise all the power of the first Beast before him,will cause the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(of sea)whose deadly wound was healed.
And he will do great wonders,so that will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of...
We explained earlier how Satan deceived this whole world ( Rev. 12:9) as confirmed in 2 Cor. 11:13-15 through the Religions of this world with the Mystery Babylon (The Roman Catholic Church) as its head and the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth (other Religions that followed).
John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Thanks for returning and participating in our conversations.
Jesse answered you well. We are to take disciplinary measures to those within the church and we let the civil laws take care of those without the church.
Even so, like John the Baptist did to Herod and the Jewish leaders and also Jesus did to the Jewish leaders, we are to speak up for what is right and godly and call what is wicked sinful and against God who made us. We should call those outside the church to repent of their sinful lives and believe the gospel of Jesus. We are to also work in our communities and our civil rights to improve the culture of our neighborhood, city, and country. We are to work to alleviate want and suffering of others around us and stand up for those who are oppressed and mistreated. We are to speak against the things that lead to moral decay and protect our children from bad influences. We are to use our time wisely to fight against the evil of this world as the Spirit lead us to do. We can warn others about the reality of eternity in hell if they remain disobedient and in unbelief and certainly herald the freedom we have in Christ due to the redemptive work He has done for us knowing that our eternity will be spent with Jesus in perfect peace, love, harmony and goodness.
But final judgment of any person is up to the Lord. We can judge actions as being good or evil, righteous or sinful, God pleasing or offensive to Him. There is nothing said in Scriptures against doing such things for the benefit of others. But our motives and attitudes need to be holy in all things we say and do in regards to the sin in others.
In my view,the preaching of the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom was beginning to be announced by JESUS,followed by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord,not to judge,but so that those who believed would be saved by knowing the Way,the Truth,and the Life.
As for"Judge not lest ye be judged",Paul Apostle explains it better than I do: Romans 14:1-12
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye,but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things:another,who is weak,eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not;and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteems one day above another:another esteems every day alike.Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;and he that eateth not,to the Lord he eateth not,and giveth God thanks.
7For none of us liveth to himself,and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live,we live unto the Lord;and whether we die,we die unto the Lord:whether we live therefore,or die,we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died,and rose,and revived,that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother?or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.
11For it is written,As I live,saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,and every tongue shall confess to God
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God
But now,in the current time of Apocalypse,Judgment is given to the saints of the most High;the saints will possess the Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18
In 1 Corinthians 5:12, as far as evaluation goes, Paul says for what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? Do not you judge them that are within?
1 Corinthians 5:13 is important. This is the evaluation. God judges those who are outside of the church. We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent.
And Paul says therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person, detailing a person who has not yet repented.
Thank You Jesse. I am constantly getting in arguments with a lot of the reprobates out there, telling them to repent and seek God and Jesus. I tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell. They don't want to listen and I also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to me to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't
Thinking about these things gives me a headache. :(
Here's the importance of those Perfect Tense verbs in the Greek text:
Jesus is not giving them and the church the authority to go around binding and loosing. We see this in Matthew Chapter 18, and Matthew tells us that it has do with sin.
In 1 John 3:8, the word "loosed" is used for how Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. It is the word loosed.
When a person gets saved, they are loosed from Satan. So the church has authority to either bind someone to their sins or loose them from their sins.
What gives us that authority? It's something that has already been established in heaven!
Thou shalt bind that which has been bound already in heaven. It is a condition. And thou shall loose on earth things that shall have been loosed in heaven already.
So the church is here to declare that which has already been determined in heaven. We are only proclaimers!
What right do I have to tell anybody that they need to receive Christ and His death for them on the cross to be saved?
We (you and I) have the authority to tell people that we've got the key. We have got the key that unlocks the door. His name is Jesus!
If you receive Him, I have the authority to tell you that you have been loosed from your sins. If you refuse Him, I have the authority to tell you that if you continue to reject Him throughout your whole life, you'll be bound to your sins and you will die in your sins.
That is pretty authoritative! But I didn't make that up. That is the authority God has given to the church, you and I.
Never feel hypocritical for telling someone what has already been established in heaven and for something God has given you the authority to say!
I find that getting into arguments with those who don't want to listen is a waste of time. Yes, we should share the gospel message of salvation as the Lord leads, but what we have (Christ) is precious, and if someone refuses to listen, we simply walk away and not cast our pearls before the swine.
Now, is it wrong for us to "tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell?" No!
You say that you also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to you to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't.
That is true. It is not up to us to decide. But, you should not feel hypocritical for telling someone that.
Please allow me to share this with you:
In Matthew 16:19, it says, "and I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven:" Here it is singular. But in Chapter 18 it is plural. So it is not just Peter, it is all of them!
Now, "keys" is a Hebrew symbol of authority. A person that had the keys was in charge. You can go back to some of the earlier documents in the Old Testament and see that the person that had the keys was in charge.
And some of the kings would get a little frustrated because whoever had the keys was in charge, and if you can't find him, of course you make the king mad, and they would have a new key bearer pretty soon!
He says I'll give you the keys. I'll give you the authority. We know that keys unlock things for entrance.
It says, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Let me share with you what it is literally saying from the Greek:
Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth, shall (have been) bound in heaven."
Please know that this is very important to understand, and I'll give it to you again. It reads "And whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall (have been) bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall (have been) loosed in heaven."
it wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
you stated:
We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent."detailing a person who has not yet repented"
Paul's speaking about being a member of the body of Christ here, how can one be in the church, & has not yet repented?
a quote from William Penn
Sin is of one nature the world over. For though a liar is not a drunkard,
nor a swearer a whoremonger, nor either properly a murderer, yet they are
all of one church; all branches of the one wicked root, all of kin. They have
but one father, the devil, as Christ said to the professing Jews, the visible
church of that age. He slighted their claims to Abraham and Moses, and
plainly told them that "everyone who sins is a slave to sin" ( John 8:34).
The Jewish religious leaders did the devil's work, and therefore were the
devil's children. The argument will always hold upon the same reasons, for
as Paul said: you are slaves to the one whom you obey, ( Rom 6:16); and
said John to the church of old, "Let no man deceive you; he that commits
sin is of the devil" ( 1 John 3:7-8). Was Judas ever the better Christian for
crying, "Hail, Master," and kissing Christ? By no means; they were the
signal of his treachery; the signs given so the bloody Jews could identify
Him and arrest Him. Judas called Him Master, but betrayed Him;
he kissed, but sold Him to be killed; the same is the result of the
false Christian's religion.
how many who would call themselve Christian's today, members of His Body, fall underneath this judgment & be put away because of their continuing in sin?
society today is a direct reflection of the state of this false church of Rev 17 preaching you can be a Christian & yet continue in sin. Mark 7:7Titus 1:11
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Does this mean that Christians should judge Christians and not waste their breath on the infidels???
Praise GOD
What does the Word of GOD say for this current time, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium? The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
Romans 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you(we), are ye(we) unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels (ANGELS of the Churches: Revelation 2:2; and 2:9; and 2:14-17; and 2:20; and 3:1-3; and 3:7-8; and 3:14-18)? How much more things that pertain to this life?
Daniel 7:22
22 ... and Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.
Revelation 11:15-18
15 ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Get ready
1 Peter 4:17 - 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
Many will ask the question; How does Satan deceive this whole world?
As a master deceiver he transformed himself into a false apostle and into an apostle of Christ through the Religions of this world ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
You asked: How does Satan deceive this whole world? Rev.12:9
Revelation was written in the first century of Christian Era, at that time the Devil had already deceived mankind for around 4000 years, even JESUS was tempted by the Devil I suppose in Neguev, but Satan still had not 7 heads; The 7 heads was still in the embryo.
But now, in this current time of Apocalypse, around 2000 years AC, the body of the Devil will be completed with 7 heads, and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his 7 heads.His new name now is red Dragon-Rev.12:9-,and his TAIL drew (shall cast down)the third part of the STARS of heaven to the earth.(STARS? who are the STARS? Job 38:4&7 combined with Daniel 12:3).
When the red Dragon-Rev.13:11-gives his POWER,and his Throne in Jerusalem,and great Authority to the Beast of sea, upon which rides de great whore-the Roman Catholic Church-then the holy city will be trodden by the Gentiles- Luke 21:24 combined with Rev.11:2, and he will join Catholicism and Judaism(iron and clay- Daniel 2), then the body of Satan/the Dragon will grow exceedingly, but it will grow even more with the adhesion of evangelical churches whose angels are fallen or spiritually dead, these will form or constitute the TAIL of the Dragon, these will believe in the false messiah, the Beast that will rise from the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), a false lamb, a false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined from Revelation 13:11, then the Red Dragon's body will be complete with his 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL. By the way, the origin of the false messiah is of the 10 tribs of Israel,especifically of the trib of Dan- Genesis 49:17.
He will exercise all the power of the first Beast before him,will cause the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(of sea)whose deadly wound was healed.
And he will do great wonders,so that will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of...
John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Good to hear from you once again.
Thanks for returning and participating in our conversations.
Jesse answered you well. We are to take disciplinary measures to those within the church and we let the civil laws take care of those without the church.
Even so, like John the Baptist did to Herod and the Jewish leaders and also Jesus did to the Jewish leaders, we are to speak up for what is right and godly and call what is wicked sinful and against God who made us. We should call those outside the church to repent of their sinful lives and believe the gospel of Jesus. We are to also work in our communities and our civil rights to improve the culture of our neighborhood, city, and country. We are to work to alleviate want and suffering of others around us and stand up for those who are oppressed and mistreated. We are to speak against the things that lead to moral decay and protect our children from bad influences. We are to use our time wisely to fight against the evil of this world as the Spirit lead us to do. We can warn others about the reality of eternity in hell if they remain disobedient and in unbelief and certainly herald the freedom we have in Christ due to the redemptive work He has done for us knowing that our eternity will be spent with Jesus in perfect peace, love, harmony and goodness.
But final judgment of any person is up to the Lord. We can judge actions as being good or evil, righteous or sinful, God pleasing or offensive to Him. There is nothing said in Scriptures against doing such things for the benefit of others. But our motives and attitudes need to be holy in all things we say and do in regards to the sin in others.
But, where does "Judge not lest ye be judged" fit in???
About your question:Matt.7:1-2 and Luke 6:36-37
In my view,the preaching of the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom was beginning to be announced by JESUS,followed by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord,not to judge,but so that those who believed would be saved by knowing the Way,the Truth,and the Life.
As for"Judge not lest ye be judged",Paul Apostle explains it better than I do: Romans 14:1-12
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye,but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things:another,who is weak,eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not;and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteems one day above another:another esteems every day alike.Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;and he that eateth not,to the Lord he eateth not,and giveth God thanks.
7For none of us liveth to himself,and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live,we live unto the Lord;and whether we die,we die unto the Lord:whether we live therefore,or die,we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died,and rose,and revived,that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother?or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.
11For it is written,As I live,saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,and every tongue shall confess to God
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God
But now,in the current time of Apocalypse,Judgment is given to the saints of the most High;the saints will possess the Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18
In 1 Corinthians 5:12, as far as evaluation goes, Paul says for what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? Do not you judge them that are within?
1 Corinthians 5:13 is important. This is the evaluation. God judges those who are outside of the church. We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent.
And Paul says therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person, detailing a person who has not yet repented.
Hope this helps?
Thinking about these things gives me a headache. :(
(Part 2):
Here's the importance of those Perfect Tense verbs in the Greek text:
Jesus is not giving them and the church the authority to go around binding and loosing. We see this in Matthew Chapter 18, and Matthew tells us that it has do with sin.
In 1 John 3:8, the word "loosed" is used for how Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. It is the word loosed.
When a person gets saved, they are loosed from Satan. So the church has authority to either bind someone to their sins or loose them from their sins.
What gives us that authority? It's something that has already been established in heaven!
Thou shalt bind that which has been bound already in heaven. It is a condition. And thou shall loose on earth things that shall have been loosed in heaven already.
So the church is here to declare that which has already been determined in heaven. We are only proclaimers!
What right do I have to tell anybody that they need to receive Christ and His death for them on the cross to be saved?
We (you and I) have the authority to tell people that we've got the key. We have got the key that unlocks the door. His name is Jesus!
If you receive Him, I have the authority to tell you that you have been loosed from your sins. If you refuse Him, I have the authority to tell you that if you continue to reject Him throughout your whole life, you'll be bound to your sins and you will die in your sins.
That is pretty authoritative! But I didn't make that up. That is the authority God has given to the church, you and I.
Never feel hypocritical for telling someone what has already been established in heaven and for something God has given you the authority to say!
God Bless!!!
I find that getting into arguments with those who don't want to listen is a waste of time. Yes, we should share the gospel message of salvation as the Lord leads, but what we have (Christ) is precious, and if someone refuses to listen, we simply walk away and not cast our pearls before the swine.
Now, is it wrong for us to "tell them that unrepentant sinners will go to hell?" No!
You say that you also feel somewhat hypocritical because it's not up to you to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't.
That is true. It is not up to us to decide. But, you should not feel hypocritical for telling someone that.
Please allow me to share this with you:
In Matthew 16:19, it says, "and I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven:" Here it is singular. But in Chapter 18 it is plural. So it is not just Peter, it is all of them!
Now, "keys" is a Hebrew symbol of authority. A person that had the keys was in charge. You can go back to some of the earlier documents in the Old Testament and see that the person that had the keys was in charge.
And some of the kings would get a little frustrated because whoever had the keys was in charge, and if you can't find him, of course you make the king mad, and they would have a new key bearer pretty soon!
He says I'll give you the keys. I'll give you the authority. We know that keys unlock things for entrance.
It says, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Let me share with you what it is literally saying from the Greek:
Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth, shall (have been) bound in heaven."
Please know that this is very important to understand, and I'll give it to you again. It reads "And whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall (have been) bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall (have been) loosed in heaven."
I am out of space so I need to send a part 2
Again,
t wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
The persecution separated the chaff, from the wheat.,
the Way became to straight & narrow for most. Matt 7:14
it wasn't a light things in Paul's day to be a Christian, one could experience the things that Saul did to Christians, before he became Paul.
you stated:
We are to judge those who are inside. Why? Because those inside the church who are involved in sin, they must be dealt with in order that they might repent."detailing a person who has not yet repented"
Paul's speaking about being a member of the body of Christ here, how can one be in the church, & has not yet repented?
a quote from William Penn
Sin is of one nature the world over. For though a liar is not a drunkard,
nor a swearer a whoremonger, nor either properly a murderer, yet they are
all of one church; all branches of the one wicked root, all of kin. They have
but one father, the devil, as Christ said to the professing Jews, the visible
church of that age. He slighted their claims to Abraham and Moses, and
plainly told them that "everyone who sins is a slave to sin" ( John 8:34).
The Jewish religious leaders did the devil's work, and therefore were the
devil's children. The argument will always hold upon the same reasons, for
as Paul said: you are slaves to the one whom you obey, ( Rom 6:16); and
said John to the church of old, "Let no man deceive you; he that commits
sin is of the devil" ( 1 John 3:7-8). Was Judas ever the better Christian for
crying, "Hail, Master," and kissing Christ? By no means; they were the
signal of his treachery; the signs given so the bloody Jews could identify
Him and arrest Him. Judas called Him Master, but betrayed Him;
he kissed, but sold Him to be killed; the same is the result of the
false Christian's religion.
how many who would call themselve Christian's today, members of His Body, fall underneath this judgment & be put away because of their continuing in sin?
society today is a direct reflection of the state of this false church of Rev 17 preaching you can be a Christian & yet continue in sin. Mark 7:7 Titus 1:11
in love & truth Rev 18:4
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