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My post to Jema was not intended to begin a discussion of Christ's descent into hell (the abode of the dead) rather to speak to the topic of whether a soul lives on after the body dies or if it ceases to exist when the body dies.
While I think that this topic of the God not leaving His Holy One in hell (the abode of the dead) is a worthy topic, I did not want a discussion on this topic to over ride the discussion on what happens to one's soul at death.
Perhaps it is best to have two different threads for these two topics.
I would like this thread to continue to discussion on what happens to the soul at death.
First lets look at the return of Jesus in ( 1 Thess 4:16) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and ((the dead in Christ shall rise first)) Where are these dead who rise first rising from?
They rise from the grave!
( Jn 5:28-29) 28 "all that are in the graves shall hear his voice", 29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation".
They come forth out of the graves.
( Ps 49:15) "But God will redeem ((my soul)) from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah'.
The word (grave) is #7585; it means hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat) including its accessories and inmates, grave, hell, pit.
( Heb 4:12) "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the (dividing) asunder of soul and spirit"
The word (dividing) is #3311; it means a separation or distribution, to part, to disunite, be difference between.
The soul and spirit are separated, disunited, there will be difference between them when we die.
The soul goes to the grave until the resurrection, then they rise first. ( 1 Thess 4:16)
The spirit goes to God and will be the ones who sleep in Jesus that God brings with Him in ( 1 Thess 4:14)
even tho some disagree on where the spirit of a person goes, it's clear by these verses it lives on.
2 corinthians 5:1-6. for we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved,
we have a building of god, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
notice paul still addresses the spirit as if it still lives even tho the body has dessolved?
for in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
if so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
for we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is god, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the spirit.
therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord:
and when we are absent from the body we are going to be present with the lord.
we have been baptized in christ and given an ernest of the spirit.
when we go to be with the lord we will have the full measure of the spirit!
we have been quickened by the spirit of god!
we have eternal life now.
we are part of the first resurrection now!
we're alive.
those who are lost is already dead whilst they live but yet still exist.
the dead is also often mentioned as a category. ( revelation 20:13.)
so when their body dies their spirit/soul will still exist but yet classify with the dead. when they are ressurected, they will be twice dead and thrown into the lake of fire and be tormented.
I like to think the best of others and that is why I addressed to you what I thought was mistreatment because it is easy for one to not recognize one's behavior as wrong until it is pointed out. That is what I thought was the case with you, and so I pointed it out, not to be harsh, but to do so out of love. I appreciate what we have built over the past year and a half. With any relationship, we err and so we apologize and forgive one another because we value each other and desire for our relationship to be holy.
So, Steven, thanks for the apology and know that I forgave you way back then. I look forward to conversing with you on here. And please, let me know if you think I am mistreating you or anyone else with my words. I would want to know, since it is so easy to be blinded to our own failings.
It seems that you have been very busy with work, so I am thankful when you do join the conversation here. How great it will be when we all meet after all is said and done!
My post to Jema was not intended to begin a discussion of Christ's descent into hell (the abode of the dead) rather to speak to the topic of whether a soul lives on after the body dies or if it ceases to exist when the body dies.
While I think that this topic of the God not leaving His Holy One in hell (the abode of the dead) is a worthy topic, I did not want a discussion on this topic to over ride the discussion on what happens to one's soul at death.
Perhaps it is best to have two different threads for these two topics.
I would like this thread to continue to discussion on what happens to the soul at death.
First lets look at the return of Jesus in ( 1 Thess 4:16) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and ((the dead in Christ shall rise first)) Where are these dead who rise first rising from?
They rise from the grave!
( Jn 5:28-29) 28 "all that are in the graves shall hear his voice", 29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation".
They come forth out of the graves.
( Ps 49:15) "But God will redeem ((my soul)) from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah'.
The word (grave) is #7585; it means hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat) including its accessories and inmates, grave, hell, pit.
( Heb 4:12) "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the (dividing) asunder of soul and spirit"
The word (dividing) is #3311; it means a separation or distribution, to part, to disunite, be difference between.
The soul and spirit are separated, disunited, there will be difference between them when we die.
The soul goes to the grave until the resurrection, then they rise first. ( 1 Thess 4:16)
The spirit goes to God and will be the ones who sleep in Jesus that God brings with Him in ( 1 Thess 4:14)
Blessings GiGi.
we are in a tabernacle/ tent.
we are not the tent!
when the body/tent dies we are absent of it.
and so is unbelievers.
even tho some disagree on where the spirit of a person goes, it's clear by these verses it lives on.
2 corinthians 5:1-6. for we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved,
we have a building of god, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
notice paul still addresses the spirit as if it still lives even tho the body has dessolved?
for in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
if so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
for we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is god, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the spirit.
therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord:
and when we are absent from the body we are going to be present with the lord.
we have been baptized in christ and given an ernest of the spirit.
when we go to be with the lord we will have the full measure of the spirit!
we have been quickened by the spirit of god!
we have eternal life now.
we are part of the first resurrection now!
we're alive.
those who are lost is already dead whilst they live but yet still exist.
the dead is also often mentioned as a category. ( revelation 20:13.)
so when their body dies their spirit/soul will still exist but yet classify with the dead. when they are ressurected, they will be twice dead and thrown into the lake of fire and be tormented.
god bless.
I want to apologize to you in the way I treated you a few weeks ago.
I was wrong, Please forgive me.
I get worked up sometimes and present myself in a way I shouldn't.
God bless you and all that you do.
Good night.
I like to think the best of others and that is why I addressed to you what I thought was mistreatment because it is easy for one to not recognize one's behavior as wrong until it is pointed out. That is what I thought was the case with you, and so I pointed it out, not to be harsh, but to do so out of love. I appreciate what we have built over the past year and a half. With any relationship, we err and so we apologize and forgive one another because we value each other and desire for our relationship to be holy.
So, Steven, thanks for the apology and know that I forgave you way back then. I look forward to conversing with you on here. And please, let me know if you think I am mistreating you or anyone else with my words. I would want to know, since it is so easy to be blinded to our own failings.
It seems that you have been very busy with work, so I am thankful when you do join the conversation here. How great it will be when we all meet after all is said and done!
God bless you.
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