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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 219982

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."(1 Co.15:28)

    "That God may be all in all" is the substance of the worlds, which were framed by the word of God. What was in the mind of God serves as the beginning. When crunched and every uncleanness removed the worlds shall have still faith that makes 'Behold the tabernacle of God is with men' hold together. (Re.21:3) Jesus Christ is Alpha and Omega in which all things are held together. (Col.1:16-17)

    This must explain the narrative mode of the Spirit to shift POV from Father to the Son or explain events from the Word or the Law. The entire Bible narrative is built out of two strands one from the POV of the Father and of the Son. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."(Matt.12:31-32-NKJV)

    The Spirit does not speak of himself. Jesus explained why. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come./ He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." ( John 16:13-14)

    So finally we have only the Throne of God and of the Lamb. The Spirit organizes everything with this end in mind. Whatever we do must be to give glory to the Son. By literal approach what have the churches done besides their heresies but glorifying Israel and their own doctrines above all? Israel has its place as every man for whom God sent his Son to the world.

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  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Daruled,

    When God says what is 'unforgivable sin' we simply accept the truth. God's commandment to Adam did not allow him to argue. So simply accept or leave it. Wisdom which we use to argue belongs to carnal wisdom. This kind of argument does not solve the issue. Jas.3:14-17

    ""But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth./ This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish./For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work." There is only way we shall understand Him. We need wisdom from heaven which is free. "But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy."(Jas.3:17)

    Without truth as a moderator two may argue their heads off. Does it create peace in the end? So simply trust God and let his wisdom guide you. He has set Jesus as an example. When you receive him you have acquired wisdom as well. "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:"(1 Co.1:30)
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bennymkje,

    Thank you for replying because I LOVE to talk about all things God. With that said I would like to address some things you said. "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?" Romans 8:32 KJV. This scripture shows that God is willing to give us knowledge and even understanding of His Ways! So, while there are somethings that I must "simply accept" but it isn't because my Father doesn't want to share them with me, I must "simply accept" because they are Too High for my puny mind to understand.

    You also mention God's Commandment to Adam, and I see the point you're making; yet I ask you to "look" deeply at God's commandment to Adam. God gave a Commandment to Adam and satan deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam; do you think that satan was somehow able to infest The Garden outside THE KNOWLEDGE of GOD? Never! So, the only viable conclusion is that God "allowed" satan to be there! (Note: this isn't the same thing as giving permission). Therefore, we can conclude that God knew what would happen. So, it isn't that Satan subverted God, or that Adam ruined God's Plan; no, I can, with assurance, declare that it was Always The Plan of God that we fall! Remember, we are made in The Image of God and yet we were made unknowing of evil or good. God knows evil as well as good. Therefore, He "allowed" satan to give us the flesh (desire of evil) so that we may know and understand evil, so that when He Rescues us He may impart Goodness and then we will know and understand Good (the tree of the knowledge of evil and good) it was Always The Plan that we know and understand these things.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Daruled:

    Eve gave the fruit of the tree to Adam; and he did eat of the fruit, and the results was DEATH, but He was NOT DECEIVED, but gladly DIED, with and for his wife.

    Inside the first chapters of Genesis is hidden a parable of Christ's death, resurrection, and marriage (becoming ONE) to his wife, CHRIST IN YOU.

    1 Timothy 2:14 For Adam WAS NOT DECEIVED, but the WOMAN being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

    You are correct, this was God's plan from the foundations of the world; but, God didn't allow Saran to do anything, Satan is God's instrument, God caused Satan to act.

    Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan ..... although thou MOVETH ME AGAINST HIM, to destroy him without a cause .....

    God Bless you!
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jordyn,

    Thank you for this discourse, for this is a great Love of mine, to talk about God. I would like to point out a few things; first, you said that Eve didn't deceive Adam, but I refer you to "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" Genesis 3:11 KJV "And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Genesis 3:12 KJV. This isn't the response of a man choosing to stand with his wife, this is the response of a man who is trying to deflect blame from himself to another! Sadly I've been guilty of this type of behavior before, so I understand what it "looks like". I read 1 Tim. 2:14 differently, I see it as the apostle teaching that a woman has no right to teach a man nor exert authority over a man; not because they are "inferior" but because satan used Eve as an instrument that lead to Adam's transgression which in turn lead to mankind's transgression. To put it in perspective: gun control is a huge issue because people think guns are "the cause" of someone killing another human being so guns get the blame. But, the truth is that it's not guns that are the problem it's the one who pulls the trigger that is the problem. In this analogy Eve is the gun and Adam is the one who pulled "the trigger". Notice that the transgression wasn't done when Eve ate the fruit, but when Adam ate is when God rendered Judgment!

    Finally, I cannot say that God "caused" satan to act, because to say that is to say that God worked evil, and we all understand that God cannot work evil. Thus, to stay on the right side of The Plumb-line I accept that God allowed Satan to act (which is Very different from giving permission) Although, I do accept that satan and the demons as well as all creatures are instruments of Gods will, though some creatures God causes to act and some He allows to act according to their own nature.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Daruled:

    Who created the carnal mind? Did not God create man and give him a carnal mind? YES

    Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity (in direct rebellion) against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    God created the problem and God solved the problem by the death and resurrection of Christ.

    The old was done away with; behold. ALL THINGS have become NEW.

    1 Corinthians 2:16 .....We have the mind of Christ ......

    The GOSPEL is about BELIEVING what GOD HAS DONE.

    Christ bowed his head in DEATH and SAID it is FINISHED. Three days later Christ arose and ALL THINGS BECAME NEW.

    God Bless YOU!

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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Daruled.

    That was very nicely explained.

    Welcome to the site and God bless.

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