Bible Discussion Thread

Why do so many churches not believe or teach the 9 gifts of the Spirit, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking with other tongues?

I will answer this in reverse at first to make a point. What evidences to we have that show that the churches which do openly practice tongues (in particular) are living in more holiness than church members elsewhere who don't practice this? Generally speaking; it seems the same number of parishioners divorce; conversations often are on worldly things outside services; etc. There seems to be no more impact in new converts or evangelistic street witnessing efforts as well as other venues. We don't see healings occuring when preaching in hospitals; prisons; etc at any greater level than with other churches in many cases.

First off; I don't tell God what "signs and wonders" gifts He is capable of doing today; nor use the verse 1 Cor. 13:10 to justify cessation of gifts (just new scriptures after Revelation). On the other hand; when we look at medical verification of healings (also valid with such verses as Luke 17:14 when the Priests were to ascertain a true healing) we see few healings corroborated beyond hearsay. We cannot deny megachurches and the "fithly lucre" ( 1 Peter 5:2) that often shows bad fruit of the Pastors and leaders there motivating individuals to name "healing ministries" after themselves. We also cannot ignore how rarely most churches attempt any interpretation of tongues; and how often the same pattern of babbling seems to infect a crowd; rather than an unknown earthly language that edifies others; or a heavenly language that seems distinct. If we keep in mind Paul's admomitions about a few clear words than 10,000 unknown (1 Corithians 14:19) and things are done decently and in order; OR in our personal prayer alone then I certainly am open to tongues.

As far as teaching and wisdom most believers certainly seek these gifts. Those on the mission field have for decades reported more dramatic things such as visions and dreams particularly among Muslims about Christ. God will perform works in His timing to suit His purposes.

Agape.

Thank you for your reply, all I know for me since I have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit it has brought me closer to the Lord. When I pray for things after awhile I get to a point I just do not know what to pray for, or how to pray after spending time with God, or how to get even closer while praying and singing, then that's when I begin to speak in other tongues, and it may go on for quite a while, but it gives me power and strength from within and more confident to do God's will for my life. I have been to a smaller church many years ago, where the gifts of the Spirit were at work in the church, and God's Spirit moved so freely within that church and lives were changed for the better, I sure miss that church. Take care, and may God bless you.