Ok, I would like to begin a conversation, I'm a Universalist; that is, I Believe that God will Save Everyone including demons. It all began when I understood Romans 14:11 KJV. If anyone has any questions I would love to explain.
Let's get to what matters and prevails.True believers know that according Ro.14:11 every knee shall bow before the Lord, and every tongue shall confess to GOD,but they will NOT bow before you establishing your Universal satanic religious kingdom,O spirit of lie. Although you manifest yourself as God-2Thes.2:4-,as is revealed by the author of Ro.14:11,and you shall oppose and exalt yourself above all that is called GOD or that is worshipped;so that as God you shall sit in Jerusalem,GOD's Temple,showing yourself that is God,but you are a man,not GOD, you are the son of perdition,man of sin,to be manifested and revealed.
Indeed,you will establish your ephemeral Universal and satanic religious kingdom as it is written,but you shall be cast down into the bottomless pit,that you should deceive the nations no more-Rev.20:3. I know you,it from the beginning,O deceiving spirit.I know who you are,O deceiving spirit.
You say "God will Save Everyone including demons",it's what the father of lie says,a former querub.But what does the Spirit of Truth say? 2Pe.2:4-6-->4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned,but cast them down to hell,and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto(the current)Judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness,bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow,making them an ENSAMPLE unto those that after should live ungodly.The Word is GOD, self-executing,understand?
Now,O spirit of lie,you are destined to the bottomless pit.But in the END of this seventh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium,you will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the Beast and the false prophet will be-Rev.20:10.
The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the mouth of the Dragon,and out of the mouth of the Beast,and out of the mouth of the FP.
"In regards to Romans 14:11, here is the rule of reading scripture. Any verse in scripture must be interpreted within the context of the chapter wherein it is found, and the chapter wherein the book it is found, and that entire book within the scope of the entire bible.
Cherry-picking a single verse or a few verses from the Bible to support a theological theory or argument while ignoring the broader context of the scripture is often referred to as "proof-texting" or "proof-texting fallacy." This practice can be misleading because it doesn't take into account the full context, historical background, and intended meaning of the verses being cited. It can lead to a DISTORTION of the Bible's message and can be used to support almost any viewpoint when taken out of context. Responsible biblical interpretation involves considering the entirety of a passage, as well as the overall teachings and themes of the Bible, to arrive at a more accurate understanding of its theological implications."
God is a loving God and does not want anyone to perish, but He is also a just God. In Romans 14, I say this in love, we should consider the context. Would not Universalism possibly do what Paul is teaching against? My understanding of Romans 14:11 is this will be at the judgment, every tongue will confess, whether it be good or bad, and the results will be eternal life or damnation, not all will be saved.
My understanding is these verses do not mean there will not be some who will not bow and accept Jesus's authority. Just a couple of verses and if all will be saved how do we understand this?
Matthew 25:40-41 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
You are Absolutely Right that God is JUST! Yet, I ask this question: who is responsible for sin? Answer: satan. Justice demands that the one responsible Pays for what he has done. We are vessels, is a vessel responsible for what someone put inside of it? Satan is responsible for evil, John 8:44 ; and God is Responsible for good, Mark 10:18.
Ronald, your faith is your faith. Whether you believe or don't believe is up to you and God but I ask you to LOOK! What I proclaim is MERCY, what is being used to combat MERCY? Hatred and wrath. I say "God is GOOD!" And the response is "NO!" I've explained and am willing to continue to explain, but just as Christ had to bear the hatred BECAUSE He taught mercy, I as His servant will have to bear hatred and wrath for proclaiming MERCY.
The Message that I proclaim is that sinners WILL go to hell and Suffer, yet there is Salvation for them also!
When Christ says, "Depart from Me, ye cursed" could it be that He is speaking to the demons that are inside that Made them act evilly?
And, yes there are some who will go to the lake of fire, but I point to, Psalms 104:4. For the lake of fire is eternal, yet God is able to make His ministers a flaming fire; can you think of the one thing that fire doesn't burn? Answer: Fire.
Romans 8:35-39. Nothing can separate us from The Love of God.
We cannot say Satan made me do it, we are responsible if we sin.
What is death? Is it just the body that dies and our conscious soul, lives on somewhere outside the body? This started when the serpent said to Eve, Ye shall not surely die, you will be as gods. Most pagan religions have an afterlife where the soul lives forever. In the Bible, the OT is the word Sheol meaning the grave and death was sleep with no knowledge or consciousness, nowhere is the immortal soul in the Bible.
When Adam and Eve sinned, they were taken out of the garden and forbidden eternal life/immortality from the Tree of Life, Gen. 3:24. When the OT was translated into Greek Sheol became Hades with the Greek meaning that came with it, and in English, it's Hell with the same Greek meaning, the soul separates from the body and the conscious souls goes to a place of the dead. Many believe there is either eternal life with Jesus or eternal damnation in Hell/lake of fire where they will be tormented for eternity.
If we say our soul is immortal, we are saying we are gods because we cannot die. But the Bible says without the gift of eternal life given to us in the resurrection we will die the second death, we will perish, be destroyed forever to be no more. Romans 6:23Psalms 37:10-13Psalms 92:7Proverbs 10:25, 29 John 3:162 Peter 2:10-12, they are mortal and will perish.
The unrighteous will be destroyed/perish, they will have their part in the lake of fire, Rev. 21:8. Their death is forever, not forever in torment. When we die our destiny is fixed, there is not a second chance after death. This adoption of the Greek philosophy of the immortal soul and Hades fogs our understanding, it plugs our ears that are to hear.
I could say more but I will leave it here, I hope you will study for the truth. We should empty our minds in prayer where we are open to the truth given by the Spirit of Truth, not led by the traditions of men, Colossians 2:8.
Thank you, John 3:16 God has given us a promise that through faith in Him and the one He sent, His Son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for us, that we will not perish but have eternal life. Eternal life is a gift of God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is not about where we will spend eternity, without this gift there is no eternity for man.
Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
The central theme of 2 John is that we should give no cooperation whatever to a person who is spreading error regarding the Person of our Lord (vv. 10, 11). I wonder if Daruled is just here on this site to "practice" what counterarguments he might have towards his belief in Universalism to then use to confuse other saints elsewhere. I seriously doubt this is the only site he is peddling Universalism.
2 John 9-11 (KJV) 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
"In Christianity, Universalism is a theological position that posits that all individuals, regardless of their faith or actions in life, will ultimately be reconciled with God and attain salvation. This belief has historically been considered heretical by many mainstream Christian denominations, especially those that adhere to doctrines of eternal damnation for the unrepentant.
Universalism: Known historically as apokatastasis, the belief that all persons will be saved. Hence universalism involves the affirmation of universal salvation and the denial of eternal punishment. Universalists believe that ultimately all humans are somehow in union with Christ and that in the fullness of time they will gain release from the penalty of sin and be restored to God. Twentieth-century universalism often REJECTS the deity of Jesus and explores the "universal" bases of all religions. See also Apokatastasis.
1 John 4:6 (KJV) 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of ERROR.
I didn't say I was of the Universalist religion, I said I'm a universalist because I believe that God will Save all His creatures at His appointed time. Furthermore, when you say things like "mainstream Christian religions" I'm glad I'm on the other side of them because, James 3:1; in other words preachers and teachers will receive a more strict Judgment. Thus, if a preacher or teacher gets something wrong AND teaches it, that misinterpretation will lead them into sin and that teacher will receive a portion of all those sins
Nothing "diminishes" Christ's Work, if a person doesn't understand something, does that misunderstanding somehow nullify that which is misunderstood? If a man doesn't understand what Christ did, it takes away NOTHING from Christ; that misunderstanding takes away from the one who misunderstands and for that we must pray.
I'm glad you brought up eternal punishment. Why does God punish? Answer: for correction. God doesn't abuse, He corrects. Hell is not Eternal, I've shown this but, I'll show you more! We should all know of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31. We can see that the rich man (Jew) went to hell and begged Abraham to help him, but Abraham said that he couldn't! Now, add to this the other half of The Message, 1 Peter 3:19-20. You see, Christ went to MINISTER to souls in hell (prison) for He is a Savior, ALWAYS and FOREVER! And, He is still down their Saving souls. To "put it together" a Jew dies unbelieving of Christ, hell is the result. The Jew asks for help from Abraham and is denied. Now, a person who knew of Christ but never Fully gave in to Him (false Christian, maybe), is also in hell and now they are in torment and in a final desperate PLEA call out to Christ Jesus! Psalms 139:7-12. And He Saves in front of all in there, truthfully, do you think the people there will be calling to their idols? Or, will they Cry Out to Christ? Instant Conversion to The Truth! Think about it, He is a WONDERFUL GOD!!!!!!
Your use of Matthew 7:14 is misinterpreted because TRUE, few will find The Way but what does finding the way have to do with Election? For Election is NOT about works (finding The Way), but Election is ALL about God Choosing! Look at Rom. Ch.11, the whole chapter. It's all about God "cutting off" His Chosen for the sake of those NOT chosen. There are two types of elect; there are those Chosen before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. And those chosen, only because His Chosen were "cut off"! Romans 11:11-12. The Jews (Hebrew) for the Gentile, the vessels of wrath for the vessels of mercy, Romans 9:21-23 and Christ for the world, Matthew 27:46. This is a Pattern, a plummet line, a way for us to "measure" the things of God.
Your overriding message is not even recognisable to anyone truly living in God's Spirit. The best advice I can give you is to pray for humility and pray that you will learn to Fear God my friend, as this is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10
The Way. Matthew 16:24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."
I pray that you can find humility my friend, and remember: we do not know when our time is up.
Let's get to what matters and prevails.True believers know that according Ro.14:11 every knee shall bow before the Lord, and every tongue shall confess to GOD,but they will NOT bow before you establishing your Universal satanic religious kingdom,O spirit of lie. Although you manifest yourself as God-2Thes.2:4-,as is revealed by the author of Ro.14:11,and you shall oppose and exalt yourself above all that is called GOD or that is worshipped;so that as God you shall sit in Jerusalem,GOD's Temple,showing yourself that is God,but you are a man,not GOD, you are the son of perdition,man of sin,to be manifested and revealed.
Indeed,you will establish your ephemeral Universal and satanic religious kingdom as it is written,but you shall be cast down into the bottomless pit,that you should deceive the nations no more-Rev.20:3. I know you,it from the beginning,O deceiving spirit.I know who you are,O deceiving spirit.
You say "God will Save Everyone including demons",it's what the father of lie says,a former querub.But what does the Spirit of Truth say? 2Pe.2:4-6-->4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned,but cast them down to hell,and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto(the current)Judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness,bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow,making them an ENSAMPLE unto those that after should live ungodly.The Word is GOD, self-executing,understand?
Now,O spirit of lie,you are destined to the bottomless pit.But in the END of this seventh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium,you will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the Beast and the false prophet will be-Rev.20:10.
The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the mouth of the Dragon,and out of the mouth of the Beast,and out of the mouth of the FP.
100% Correct! The Spirit of God works through you brother!
"In regards to Romans 14:11, here is the rule of reading scripture. Any verse in scripture must be interpreted within the context of the chapter wherein it is found, and the chapter wherein the book it is found, and that entire book within the scope of the entire bible.
Cherry-picking a single verse or a few verses from the Bible to support a theological theory or argument while ignoring the broader context of the scripture is often referred to as "proof-texting" or "proof-texting fallacy." This practice can be misleading because it doesn't take into account the full context, historical background, and intended meaning of the verses being cited. It can lead to a DISTORTION of the Bible's message and can be used to support almost any viewpoint when taken out of context. Responsible biblical interpretation involves considering the entirety of a passage, as well as the overall teachings and themes of the Bible, to arrive at a more accurate understanding of its theological implications."
God is a loving God and does not want anyone to perish, but He is also a just God. In Romans 14, I say this in love, we should consider the context. Would not Universalism possibly do what Paul is teaching against? My understanding of Romans 14:11 is this will be at the judgment, every tongue will confess, whether it be good or bad, and the results will be eternal life or damnation, not all will be saved.
My understanding is these verses do not mean there will not be some who will not bow and accept Jesus's authority. Just a couple of verses and if all will be saved how do we understand this?
Matthew 25:40-41 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
God bless,
RLW
You are Absolutely Right that God is JUST! Yet, I ask this question: who is responsible for sin? Answer: satan. Justice demands that the one responsible Pays for what he has done. We are vessels, is a vessel responsible for what someone put inside of it? Satan is responsible for evil, John 8:44 ; and God is Responsible for good, Mark 10:18.
Ronald, your faith is your faith. Whether you believe or don't believe is up to you and God but I ask you to LOOK! What I proclaim is MERCY, what is being used to combat MERCY? Hatred and wrath. I say "God is GOOD!" And the response is "NO!" I've explained and am willing to continue to explain, but just as Christ had to bear the hatred BECAUSE He taught mercy, I as His servant will have to bear hatred and wrath for proclaiming MERCY.
The Message that I proclaim is that sinners WILL go to hell and Suffer, yet there is Salvation for them also!
When Christ says, "Depart from Me, ye cursed" could it be that He is speaking to the demons that are inside that Made them act evilly?
And, yes there are some who will go to the lake of fire, but I point to, Psalms 104:4. For the lake of fire is eternal, yet God is able to make His ministers a flaming fire; can you think of the one thing that fire doesn't burn? Answer: Fire.
Romans 8:35-39. Nothing can separate us from The Love of God.
We cannot say Satan made me do it, we are responsible if we sin.
What is death? Is it just the body that dies and our conscious soul, lives on somewhere outside the body? This started when the serpent said to Eve, Ye shall not surely die, you will be as gods. Most pagan religions have an afterlife where the soul lives forever. In the Bible, the OT is the word Sheol meaning the grave and death was sleep with no knowledge or consciousness, nowhere is the immortal soul in the Bible.
When Adam and Eve sinned, they were taken out of the garden and forbidden eternal life/immortality from the Tree of Life, Gen. 3:24. When the OT was translated into Greek Sheol became Hades with the Greek meaning that came with it, and in English, it's Hell with the same Greek meaning, the soul separates from the body and the conscious souls goes to a place of the dead. Many believe there is either eternal life with Jesus or eternal damnation in Hell/lake of fire where they will be tormented for eternity.
If we say our soul is immortal, we are saying we are gods because we cannot die. But the Bible says without the gift of eternal life given to us in the resurrection we will die the second death, we will perish, be destroyed forever to be no more. Romans 6:23 Psalms 37:10-13 Psalms 92:7 Proverbs 10:25, 29 John 3:16 2 Peter 2:10-12, they are mortal and will perish.
The unrighteous will be destroyed/perish, they will have their part in the lake of fire, Rev. 21:8. Their death is forever, not forever in torment. When we die our destiny is fixed, there is not a second chance after death. This adoption of the Greek philosophy of the immortal soul and Hades fogs our understanding, it plugs our ears that are to hear.
I could say more but I will leave it here, I hope you will study for the truth. We should empty our minds in prayer where we are open to the truth given by the Spirit of Truth, not led by the traditions of men, Colossians 2:8.
RLW
Thank you, John 3:16 God has given us a promise that through faith in Him and the one He sent, His Son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for us, that we will not perish but have eternal life. Eternal life is a gift of God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is not about where we will spend eternity, without this gift there is no eternity for man.
Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
God bless,
RLW
2 John 9-11 (KJV) 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Beware the man who calls Truth a lie, for that man's ways are folly.
Universalism: Known historically as apokatastasis, the belief that all persons will be saved. Hence universalism involves the affirmation of universal salvation and the denial of eternal punishment. Universalists believe that ultimately all humans are somehow in union with Christ and that in the fullness of time they will gain release from the penalty of sin and be restored to God. Twentieth-century universalism often REJECTS the deity of Jesus and explores the "universal" bases of all religions. See also Apokatastasis.
1 John 4:6 (KJV) 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of ERROR.
I didn't say I was of the Universalist religion, I said I'm a universalist because I believe that God will Save all His creatures at His appointed time. Furthermore, when you say things like "mainstream Christian religions" I'm glad I'm on the other side of them because, James 3:1; in other words preachers and teachers will receive a more strict Judgment. Thus, if a preacher or teacher gets something wrong AND teaches it, that misinterpretation will lead them into sin and that teacher will receive a portion of all those sins
Nothing "diminishes" Christ's Work, if a person doesn't understand something, does that misunderstanding somehow nullify that which is misunderstood? If a man doesn't understand what Christ did, it takes away NOTHING from Christ; that misunderstanding takes away from the one who misunderstands and for that we must pray.
I'm glad you brought up eternal punishment. Why does God punish? Answer: for correction. God doesn't abuse, He corrects. Hell is not Eternal, I've shown this but, I'll show you more! We should all know of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31. We can see that the rich man (Jew) went to hell and begged Abraham to help him, but Abraham said that he couldn't! Now, add to this the other half of The Message, 1 Peter 3:19-20. You see, Christ went to MINISTER to souls in hell (prison) for He is a Savior, ALWAYS and FOREVER! And, He is still down their Saving souls. To "put it together" a Jew dies unbelieving of Christ, hell is the result. The Jew asks for help from Abraham and is denied. Now, a person who knew of Christ but never Fully gave in to Him (false Christian, maybe), is also in hell and now they are in torment and in a final desperate PLEA call out to Christ Jesus! Psalms 139:7-12. And He Saves in front of all in there, truthfully, do you think the people there will be calling to their idols? Or, will they Cry Out to Christ? Instant Conversion to The Truth! Think about it, He is a WONDERFUL GOD!!!!!!
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So it is true every knee will eventually bow. Most will be to late, as it will be after they are dead, and standing before Jesus on Judgement Day.
Here Jesus confirms FEW will find everlasting life.
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Now is the time, while we are still living to bow before Jesus/God, pick up your cross and become a True Christ Follower!
Read and believe!
Your use of Matthew 7:14 is misinterpreted because TRUE, few will find The Way but what does finding the way have to do with Election? For Election is NOT about works (finding The Way), but Election is ALL about God Choosing! Look at Rom. Ch.11, the whole chapter. It's all about God "cutting off" His Chosen for the sake of those NOT chosen. There are two types of elect; there are those Chosen before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. And those chosen, only because His Chosen were "cut off"! Romans 11:11-12. The Jews (Hebrew) for the Gentile, the vessels of wrath for the vessels of mercy, Romans 9:21-23 and Christ for the world, Matthew 27:46. This is a Pattern, a plummet line, a way for us to "measure" the things of God.
Your overriding message is not even recognisable to anyone truly living in God's Spirit. The best advice I can give you is to pray for humility and pray that you will learn to Fear God my friend, as this is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10
The Way. Matthew 16:24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."
I pray that you can find humility my friend, and remember: we do not know when our time is up.
GBU
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