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The belief that punishment is correction (healing) is clearly insane. Healing and punishment are from opposing sources; one being love, the other fear. Typically, fear is a device used to control, obliterating our free will in which we were lovingly created. To utilize fear for correction is to lack faith in God Who is Love. The opposite of love is fear, yet what is ALL encompassing cannot have an opposite. God is not the author of fear; we are. We have chosen to create unlike Him, which is a miscreation, and have therefore made fear for ourselves. Our belief in fear cannot be resolved through the mastery of continued fear. The true resolution rests entirely on mastery through Love.
Free will is not free will when terror is used to to coerce. God is not a terrorist. But He is eternally patient. 2 Peter 3:9. God is NOT willing that any should perish. Who, except in arrogance can oppose and rise against the will and omnipotence of God. This is ONLY possible in a sleeping state involving dreams accompanied by nightmares.
Wake up oh sleepers, rise from the dead (sleep) and Christ will shine on you.
Thank you Bro dan, Hammer 63, Fredscanlan, and Frankie J for your thoughtful replies. I will continue with an open mind to absorb what you have spoken. My prayer is we experience how wide, how long, how high, and how deep is the love of Christ. In Jesus Name. Amen
Lev 26:15-21 God is speaking to His people, the history of the children of Israel full of this. 2 Chronicles 7:14Jeremiah 3:22Hosea 6:1,2
Christ brings this into the NT John 12:40Acts 28:27
Hebrews 12:5-11 speaking of His children
He does this in His merciful lovingkindness to us, we being so blinded by the deceitfulness of sin, it must be scourge out, define as "to flog" lit or fig, God as a father chastising and training men as children by affliction,
Chastisement; Education or training; by implication, disciplinary correction, chastening, instruction, nurture.
There's two kinds of fear, & many manifestations of each, all grounded in one of the two, godly fear which foundation is grounded in obedient reverential love for God.
The other, Satan counter part, grounded in disobedience which brings torment, where condemnation & guilt in one's own heart follows them wherever they go, for they have offended the Holy God; they having continue in disobedience to the Grace of God which appears in their hearts.
God's love in chastising correction, cast this fear & torment out
& why? John 14:21, which defines love, which makes way for John 14:23 one's habitation becomes a dwelling place for Perfect Love in the work of Sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus.
thus "for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.
Hebrews 12:11 exercising the Grace of God, the Word of Righteousness in discerning between Good & evil,, there's suffering in the Cross to learn righteousness. 1Pet 4:1
Then we have Job, who God said is perfect, Job 2:3; which trials, suffering & afflictions is of a much higher concept than punishment for disobedience, James 5:11
Hebrews 11:33 for this purpose "obtain a better resurrection"
one eighty, you would do well to live out your call name.
your in darkness, deceived; dwelling, speaking & judging falsely against God
I appreciate you and your reply. I drove 200 miles today; a bit weary. Thus my reply to yours will be shorter than I prefer at this time. And oh, no need to be sorry.
Although I've read Job, I don't remember Job 28:28. When I read Isaiah 45:7 along with it, it's somewhat confusing. I must now conclude that in order to gain understanding, I must depart from God to do so. Now I'm sorry, because I have to accept that God is evil because God is the Source of "Evil".
Evil makes evil just as fear makes fear and Love creates Itself. Could you please explain which quality you attribute to Satan; evil or love? Perhaps neither? Or maybe just one of these characteristics; if so, then I must assume God and Satan have something in common, and thus share a common purpose.
The New Testament claims if Satan opposes himself and is divided he cannot stand and his end has come. Actually, this principle applies to everything, including God. Personally, I don't believe God is divided. I do believe He is One.
The Bible also states in James that things produce what they are, not what they are not; and furthermore, both fresh water and its OPPOSITE, salt water, cannot flow from the same spring. Thus OPPOSITES cannot flow from the Mind of God. As I've suggested in the past, this would indicate that faith in Love AND fear is the result of a double-minded entity. If someone has faith in God Who is Love, then he MUST ALSO have faith in evil if God is Evil.
Quoting me Scripture is fine, of course. But, I'm fairly familiar with it, and can also read fairly well. What would be helpful is reconciling what appears as irreconcilable, i.e. opposing; with something unambiguous, leading to an obvious conclusion. This would be helpful also, because obviousness IS the essential characteristic of reality, i.e. truth. And I'm quite certain the ego is afraid of the obvious.
God created everything, nothing was made the God didn't create. John 1:3 Yes, God states that He created everything, so that includes evil, he also created good, you my friend have the choice to choose which one you prefer. If God only created good, we wouldn't be talking. If everything he created could only be good and do good, that would be like God creating robots that could only do good, right?
Freewill.
He created all beings to have a freewill, many choose to sin. We all have to make a choice. The devil and his demons made a choice, Adam and Eve also, and all those living in the past, and living now in the present also get to make the same choice of living in the light or darkness. John2:19-20
God loved us so much that He sent His Son to save us. If we listen to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and pick up our cross and follow in His footsteps he will assure us of salvation. This is Love! God loves us and if we love Him we should reject this world, (satan) and follow Christ. If we are living worldly lives we are not following Christ! It's easy to spot true Christ followers, they are few, and they will not be living worldly lives. Easy to understand this verse Matt 7:14
There is another side to this Love/Fear coin. Fear (Wisdom). God tells us to fear Him so that we realise that we need to repent in order to be saved. So God provides us with a carrot (promise of Salvation) if we believe and follow Christ and incorporate what he teaches into our lives. He also provides a stick (Fear of dying and going to hell to suffer for eternity).
When we accept Christ, and follow His commands he indwells in our heart and we have his Holy Spirt to Chastise us, or approve of what we do. If we listen, and follow His Spirit we walk in the light, and grow in sanctification. John 14:20
Lastly, God states that He created everything so that includes evil, he also created good, you my friend have the choice to choose which one you prefer.
I agree with Bro. Dan. These verses come to mind. 2 Corinthians 2:6 "Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many". Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Roman 11:22 sums up what Bro. Dan said. Note that this what we need to "behold" when we view God. "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
The belief that punishment is correction (healing) is clearly insane. Healing and punishment are from opposing sources; one being love, the other fear. Typically, fear is a device used to control, obliterating our free will in which we were lovingly created. To utilize fear for correction is to lack faith in God Who is Love. The opposite of love is fear, yet what is ALL encompassing cannot have an opposite. God is not the author of fear; we are. We have chosen to create unlike Him, which is a miscreation, and have therefore made fear for ourselves. Our belief in fear cannot be resolved through the mastery of continued fear. The true resolution rests entirely on mastery through Love.
Free will is not free will when terror is used to to coerce. God is not a terrorist. But He is eternally patient. 2 Peter 3:9. God is NOT willing that any should perish. Who, except in arrogance can oppose and rise against the will and omnipotence of God. This is ONLY possible in a sleeping state involving dreams accompanied by nightmares.
Wake up oh sleepers, rise from the dead (sleep) and Christ will shine on you.
Peace to all
Thank you Bro dan, Hammer 63, Fredscanlan, and Frankie J for your thoughtful replies. I will continue with an open mind to absorb what you have spoken. My prayer is we experience how wide, how long, how high, and how deep is the love of Christ. In Jesus Name. Amen
Lev 26:15-21 God is speaking to His people, the history of the children of Israel full of this. 2 Chronicles 7:14 Jeremiah 3:22 Hosea 6:1,2
Christ brings this into the NT John 12:40 Acts 28:27
Hebrews 12:5-11 speaking of His children
He does this in His merciful lovingkindness to us, we being so blinded by the deceitfulness of sin, it must be scourge out, define as "to flog" lit or fig, God as a father chastising and training men as children by affliction,
Chastisement; Education or training; by implication, disciplinary correction, chastening, instruction, nurture.
There's two kinds of fear, & many manifestations of each, all grounded in one of the two, godly fear which foundation is grounded in obedient reverential love for God.
The other, Satan counter part, grounded in disobedience which brings torment, where condemnation & guilt in one's own heart follows them wherever they go, for they have offended the Holy God; they having continue in disobedience to the Grace of God which appears in their hearts.
God's love in chastising correction, cast this fear & torment out
& why? John 14:21, which defines love, which makes way for John 14:23 one's habitation becomes a dwelling place for Perfect Love in the work of Sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus.
thus "for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.
Hebrews 12:11 exercising the Grace of God, the Word of Righteousness in discerning between Good & evil,, there's suffering in the Cross to learn righteousness. 1Pet 4:1
Then we have Job, who God said is perfect, Job 2:3; which trials, suffering & afflictions is of a much higher concept than punishment for disobedience, James 5:11
Hebrews 11:33 for this purpose "obtain a better resurrection"
one eighty, you would do well to live out your call name.
your in darkness, deceived; dwelling, speaking & judging falsely against God
Ephesians 5:13, therefore, Ephesians 5:14
In Love & Truth
I appreciate you and your reply. I drove 200 miles today; a bit weary. Thus my reply to yours will be shorter than I prefer at this time. And oh, no need to be sorry.
Although I've read Job, I don't remember Job 28:28. When I read Isaiah 45:7 along with it, it's somewhat confusing. I must now conclude that in order to gain understanding, I must depart from God to do so. Now I'm sorry, because I have to accept that God is evil because God is the Source of "Evil".
Evil makes evil just as fear makes fear and Love creates Itself. Could you please explain which quality you attribute to Satan; evil or love? Perhaps neither? Or maybe just one of these characteristics; if so, then I must assume God and Satan have something in common, and thus share a common purpose.
The New Testament claims if Satan opposes himself and is divided he cannot stand and his end has come. Actually, this principle applies to everything, including God. Personally, I don't believe God is divided. I do believe He is One.
The Bible also states in James that things produce what they are, not what they are not; and furthermore, both fresh water and its OPPOSITE, salt water, cannot flow from the same spring. Thus OPPOSITES cannot flow from the Mind of God. As I've suggested in the past, this would indicate that faith in Love AND fear is the result of a double-minded entity. If someone has faith in God Who is Love, then he MUST ALSO have faith in evil if God is Evil.
Quoting me Scripture is fine, of course. But, I'm fairly familiar with it, and can also read fairly well. What would be helpful is reconciling what appears as irreconcilable, i.e. opposing; with something unambiguous, leading to an obvious conclusion. This would be helpful also, because obviousness IS the essential characteristic of reality, i.e. truth. And I'm quite certain the ego is afraid of the obvious.
Peace
God created everything, nothing was made the God didn't create. John 1:3 Yes, God states that He created everything, so that includes evil, he also created good, you my friend have the choice to choose which one you prefer. If God only created good, we wouldn't be talking. If everything he created could only be good and do good, that would be like God creating robots that could only do good, right?
Freewill.
He created all beings to have a freewill, many choose to sin. We all have to make a choice. The devil and his demons made a choice, Adam and Eve also, and all those living in the past, and living now in the present also get to make the same choice of living in the light or darkness. John2:19-20
God loved us so much that He sent His Son to save us. If we listen to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and pick up our cross and follow in His footsteps he will assure us of salvation. This is Love! God loves us and if we love Him we should reject this world, (satan) and follow Christ. If we are living worldly lives we are not following Christ! It's easy to spot true Christ followers, they are few, and they will not be living worldly lives. Easy to understand this verse Matt 7:14
There is another side to this Love/Fear coin. Fear (Wisdom). God tells us to fear Him so that we realise that we need to repent in order to be saved. So God provides us with a carrot (promise of Salvation) if we believe and follow Christ and incorporate what he teaches into our lives. He also provides a stick (Fear of dying and going to hell to suffer for eternity).
When we accept Christ, and follow His commands he indwells in our heart and we have his Holy Spirt to Chastise us, or approve of what we do. If we listen, and follow His Spirit we walk in the light, and grow in sanctification. John 14:20
Lastly, God states that He created everything so that includes evil, he also created good, you my friend have the choice to choose which one you prefer.
GBU
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I'm sorry but the scriptures DO NOT agree with you.
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
Jesus warns that if we continue sinning only worse things will happen!
Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Proverbs 14:2
"He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him."
Job 28:28
"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."
God is FEAR and LOVE! If we are wise we will love Him and fear Him!
GBU
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