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I'm going to need to begin another thread, I've mistakenly clicked the notification to not have any more replies on our previous thread.
Jesse,
You ask for concrete proof, it's been given to you, you've chosen to reject Light
You may remain in unbelief, I would not advise it, Heb 11:61Cor 15:34
I've openly stated that I'm in the work of the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, the work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling to the Blood/Life of Jesus.
The phases themselves indicates a cleansing from sin & a renewing into the image of Him who created him.
I've experience through the years, that this cleansing is not only from the committing of sin, but from the temptations to commit sin, though not submitted too. Their powers are weakened as I pick up the Cross & deny self in the inward parts, were thoughts are formed & birth, springs forth & we become conscious of them, Holy Spirit quickens me in my conscience to their stratagem within & without & makes me to learn Wisdom, Job 28:28 He preserves me 1Pet 1:5 by faith in the inward Voice, Grace appearance.
Surrendering to Christ is not a one time thing, it's a daily surrendering, as one exercises & abides in known Truth & as new light & knowledge is shined into our hearts in the face of Jesus Christ. Paul says at the end of his life, "I have kept the Faith"
A Christian life is one of constant growth, a perfection that can be added too. Even in our unperfected state there's a perfecting of our faith, how else will one ever arrive at 2Cor 7:1 "its from faith to faith, glory to glory".
I appreciate your concern, spiritually, but my faith whom Christ has Authored decrees a cleansing from all sin, Titus 2:14 & according to my faith, so shall it be unto me.
Ephesians 3:19,20Matt 5:6 both indicating there's no place for darkness to remain & that God is able.
You say "Let's look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them," but how can you, not yet being born-again, guide a born-again believer in the ways of understanding scripture? How can a person who does not yet have Christ dwelling in them even understand the things of God based on what we are told in 1 Corinthians 2:14? So, if you don't have the Spirit of God, and the things of God are spiritually understood, and the natural man just has his normal psyche, he's not going to receive it. He can't, because the things of God are spiritually taught by the Spirit of God.
Frankie, as I said earlier, I do have a concern for your spiritual welfare. I hope that one day soon, I will read your words sharing with us that you have received Christ into your life and are born-again or born from above as Jesus told Nicodemus that "Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
You ask, " Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice."
I am not sure I am understanding your question here, but in order to understand this section of Romans Chapter 6, there are some terminologies that we need to know which are Justification, Reconciliation, and Sanctification. All three of these terminologies happen when a person receives Christ, when they are born-again. They're not in different stages.
You say that "if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him," and you give Romans 6:12-15 as the source of your statement.
Paul starts out by saying, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body." How can he say that? It is because he is leading us into the fact that when we get to Romans 6:14, it says that sin shall not lord it over you. That is a factual statement, not should not, but it cannot! What this is saying is that the sin principle no longer lords over the person who has the indwelling of God's Spirit.
So, if a believer does commit a single act of sin, it is because they made the choice. When they were not saved (born-again), they didn't have a choice. But once they got saved, it's the power of God's Spirit in them that gives them the power over sin. This does not mean that a believer will never sin.
You sent me some verses with questions for me to answer. You asked, " 1 John 3:2-3, does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure?"
This is not talking about our walk here on this earth. As long as we are in this body of flesh, we can never be pure as Jesus was pure. 1 John 3:2 is the confirmation of the future. When the Lord comes, He's going to be in a different dimension. He will be functioning in the Spirit dimension, that dimension we cannot see.
When the Lord calls us up, and Paul mentions this in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, he says I want to show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Our physical body is changed into a spiritual body. We will be in the same dimension, and we will see Jesus just as He is. That's the hope of the believer. It keeps us going.
You ask, " 1 John 3:4-5, how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all.
The answer to that is given in 1 John 3:9. You might believe we do not or cannot sin in the least because of these verses, but that's not the case. A believer will still sin. But a believer can no longer live a lifestyle of habitual sin. In other words, a believe can no longer practice sin. That is the literal meaning of 1 John 3:9.
I would like to start back with my original post on Romans 8:9 which says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you."
What part of my original post are you disagreeing with?
Frankie, I am still concerned for your spiritual welfare since you yourself stated that you have not yet been born again. If this is the case, then you are still in the flesh and still living in your sin since the Spirit of God does not yet dwell in you. God forbid, but if you were to die in this state (void of God's Spirit), not being born again, what do you suppose would be your fate? Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3, "Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
You referred to 1 John 3:9, which reads, ""Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Your understanding of this is different than mine. I say that a born-again believer will still sin, but you seem to disagree. Even if it were true that a born-again believer does not sin, or cannot sin, where does that leave you if you are not born-again?
Please know that I am not ignoring you. I will respond, but since you are accusing me of " rejecting light," and "remaining in unbelief," I will need some time to gather my thoughts before responding to your accusations. However, I will say this up front that it seems odd that someone who has yet to be born again (as you have declared of yourself) would tell me or any born again believer that they are rejecting light and remain in unbelief.
I feel you have very good understanding and so I would like to pose to you a question. I believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son is a water baptism necessary towards salvation or is the belief alone enough? I have been given different views on this with bible verses to support their views. I would like to know your thoughts. Thank you and God bless.
Thank you, this makes sense to a lot of the scriptures;
John 3:15 "That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 6:47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting life."
John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that BELIEVETH in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Thank you again for your time and patience to respond to a question that seems obvious to the experienced Christians. I am nothing but a mere child in the faith and so my understanding is somewhat limited and have a little catching up to do. Thanks and may God bless you and peace to you in Jesus name
I'm going to need to begin another thread, I've mistakenly clicked the notification to not have any more replies on our previous thread.
Jesse,
You ask for concrete proof, it's been given to you, you've chosen to reject Light
You may remain in unbelief, I would not advise it, Heb 11:6 1Cor 15:34
I've openly stated that I'm in the work of the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, the work of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling to the Blood/Life of Jesus.
The phases themselves indicates a cleansing from sin & a renewing into the image of Him who created him.
I've experience through the years, that this cleansing is not only from the committing of sin, but from the temptations to commit sin, though not submitted too. Their powers are weakened as I pick up the Cross & deny self in the inward parts, were thoughts are formed & birth, springs forth & we become conscious of them, Holy Spirit quickens me in my conscience to their stratagem within & without & makes me to learn Wisdom, Job 28:28 He preserves me 1Pet 1:5 by faith in the inward Voice, Grace appearance.
Surrendering to Christ is not a one time thing, it's a daily surrendering, as one exercises & abides in known Truth & as new light & knowledge is shined into our hearts in the face of Jesus Christ. Paul says at the end of his life, "I have kept the Faith"
A Christian life is one of constant growth, a perfection that can be added too. Even in our unperfected state there's a perfecting of our faith, how else will one ever arrive at 2Cor 7:1 "its from faith to faith, glory to glory".
I appreciate your concern, spiritually, but my faith whom Christ has Authored decrees a cleansing from all sin, Titus 2:14 & according to my faith, so shall it be unto me.
Ephesians 3:19,20 Matt 5:6 both indicating there's no place for darkness to remain & that God is able.
Jesse
Rev 3:6
Frankie,
You say "Let's look to the Spirit which inspired the Holy Scriptures for our understanding of them," but how can you, not yet being born-again, guide a born-again believer in the ways of understanding scripture? How can a person who does not yet have Christ dwelling in them even understand the things of God based on what we are told in 1 Corinthians 2:14? So, if you don't have the Spirit of God, and the things of God are spiritually understood, and the natural man just has his normal psyche, he's not going to receive it. He can't, because the things of God are spiritually taught by the Spirit of God.
Frankie, as I said earlier, I do have a concern for your spiritual welfare. I hope that one day soon, I will read your words sharing with us that you have received Christ into your life and are born-again or born from above as Jesus told Nicodemus that "Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Frankie,
You ask, " Rom 6:1,2,6, it speaks expressively the intent of God's heart. Holy Spirit seals it by repeats in twice."
I am not sure I am understanding your question here, but in order to understand this section of Romans Chapter 6, there are some terminologies that we need to know which are Justification, Reconciliation, and Sanctification. All three of these terminologies happen when a person receives Christ, when they are born-again. They're not in different stages.
You say that "if one sins in the least, the devil is still a prince & has dominion over him," and you give Romans 6:12-15 as the source of your statement.
Paul starts out by saying, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body." How can he say that? It is because he is leading us into the fact that when we get to Romans 6:14, it says that sin shall not lord it over you. That is a factual statement, not should not, but it cannot! What this is saying is that the sin principle no longer lords over the person who has the indwelling of God's Spirit.
So, if a believer does commit a single act of sin, it is because they made the choice. When they were not saved (born-again), they didn't have a choice. But once they got saved, it's the power of God's Spirit in them that gives them the power over sin. This does not mean that a believer will never sin.
Frankie,
You sent me some verses with questions for me to answer. You asked, " 1 John 3:2-3, does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure?"
This is not talking about our walk here on this earth. As long as we are in this body of flesh, we can never be pure as Jesus was pure. 1 John 3:2 is the confirmation of the future. When the Lord comes, He's going to be in a different dimension. He will be functioning in the Spirit dimension, that dimension we cannot see.
When the Lord calls us up, and Paul mentions this in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, he says I want to show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Our physical body is changed into a spiritual body. We will be in the same dimension, and we will see Jesus just as He is. That's the hope of the believer. It keeps us going.
You ask, " 1 John 3:4-5, how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all.
The answer to that is given in 1 John 3:9. You might believe we do not or cannot sin in the least because of these verses, but that's not the case. A believer will still sin. But a believer can no longer live a lifestyle of habitual sin. In other words, a believe can no longer practice sin. That is the literal meaning of 1 John 3:9.
(Part 1 of 4):
I would like to start back with my original post on Romans 8:9 which says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you."
What part of my original post are you disagreeing with?
Frankie, I am still concerned for your spiritual welfare since you yourself stated that you have not yet been born again. If this is the case, then you are still in the flesh and still living in your sin since the Spirit of God does not yet dwell in you. God forbid, but if you were to die in this state (void of God's Spirit), not being born again, what do you suppose would be your fate? Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3, "Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
You referred to 1 John 3:9, which reads, ""Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Your understanding of this is different than mine. I say that a born-again believer will still sin, but you seem to disagree. Even if it were true that a born-again believer does not sin, or cannot sin, where does that leave you if you are not born-again?
Please know that I am not ignoring you. I will respond, but since you are accusing me of " rejecting light," and "remaining in unbelief," I will need some time to gather my thoughts before responding to your accusations. However, I will say this up front that it seems odd that someone who has yet to be born again (as you have declared of yourself) would tell me or any born again believer that they are rejecting light and remain in unbelief.
I will respond to the rest later.
Since you have not yet received an answer to your question, I would like to reply.
There are two baptisms, John baptism of water, and Christ's baptism of truth and life.
The true gospel has been lost to the traditions and teachings of man.
The true gospel is what happened at Christ death and resurrection.
You were BAPTISED into the DEATH and RESURRECTION of Christ, you were baptised into the NAME of Jesus.
You DIED with Christ, you arose with Christ, you and Christ were MARRIED and became ONE, being raised together as ONE.
All creation was MADE NEW, the new heavens and the new earth, at his resurrection.
Salvation is about BELIEVING what God says he HAS DONE.
Your saved from DEATH.
1 Timothy 5:16 Christ ONLY has IMMORTALITY ...
1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal must PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....Christ only has immortality......
Your were BAPTISED into LIFE of Christ by his resurrection.
John 14:6 I AM the LIFE ....
Romans 8:29 .... being predestinate (by the BAPTISM of his resurrection) TO BE conformed to the IMAGE of his son.
You were RAISED a NEW CREATION;
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou has given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they maybe ONE, even as we are ONE.
BELIEVE what God has done.
God BLESS YOU!
John 3:15 "That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 6:47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting life."
John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that BELIEVETH in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Thank you again for your time and patience to respond to a question that seems obvious to the experienced Christians. I am nothing but a mere child in the faith and so my understanding is somewhat limited and have a little catching up to do. Thanks and may God bless you and peace to you in Jesus name
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