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11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Philippians 3:2KJV
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Considering the definition and description given by Brother Jesse and Brother Giannis.
"wild untamed, impure, and grungy"
It's fair to say these dogs "as a people" had no master!!
Certainly the dogs thats defined in the Greek translation mentioned in Revelation.
The Gentiles do fit that description.
Ephesians 2:12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
The term dogs in Philippians 3:2 is actually making reference to a religious phrase. The Gentiles were considered dogs by the Jews.
There are two words in the New Testament that have to do with a dog. KUNARION ( Matthew 15:26 and Mark 7:27) is a household pet. And then we have a KUON. A Kuon is a wild scavenger. And that's the animal used here.
Gentiles were called Kuon's, wild scavengers, impure, and grungy. So it was an insult to call somebody a Kuon. And so he's using the word Kuon. He says beware of the dogs. The Jews would have understood who he was referring to.
This is the same word (KUON) that's used in Revelation 22:15.
Kuon or Kyon means "dog" as in Phil and Rev. (The "u" vowel of classical grk was changed to "y" in koine grk, pronounced as "ee")
Kunarion or Kynarion means "little, young dog", as in Matthew and Mark.
Why did Jesus said young dogs instead of dogs? In contrast to children.
And since you are learning grk, some help about pronounciation. All non grk scholars pronounce grk words using the pronounciation of vowels and consonants according to classical grk (3rd -5th centuary BC). But until Jesus' time the pronounciation had changed dramatically. Koine grk is closer to mod. grk than to classical grk. So you have to learn how we pronounce grk words nowadays. So we really say Kyon(kee-on), not Kuon.
Strong's concordance uses the classical pronounciation.
Actually, it's a challenge to decipher the biblical enigma on: "Who are the dogs?
I see and know that you have knowledge of the Bible and both tried to answer the question, but like someone who looks to the Scriptures from outside of them to inside, and do not enter within them deeply, nor delve and immerse inside them, but like someone surfing on the surface of the water. In my view what matters is to enter and delve into the Scriptures to bring the true interpretation and solution to the biblical enigma : Who are the dogs in Revelation 22: 15 and Philippians 3:2?
The question remains open for all my brothers because the Word of GOD is not speaking of "pets", of course. What we are commenting by the Word of GOD is: "For without are DOGS... - Revelation 22:15, and Philippians 3:2 says: Beware of DOGS... ", but wait, Scriptures are not speaking of "pets", as was suggested in prior replies, so who are them? Who are the dogs?
To decipher the riddle and find the correctly answer to the question it seems a challenge, it is necessary to immerge into the Scriptures and delve into them to find and brings the solution to this enigma within the Bible, otherwise the answers may not match or fit with the Holy Scriptures, the source of Truth. This is a serious problem.
To decipher the riddle giving correctly answer to the question, it is necessary to enter into the Scriptures and delve, and immerse into them finding the solution to this enigma within the the Word of GOD. It's very interesting to decipher for us, I think.
"someone who looks to the Scriptures from outside of them to inside, and do not enter within them deeply, nor delve and immerse inside them, but like someone surfing on the surface of the water?"
Wow!
I made the mistake of thinking you were asking an honest question and looking for an answer to something you didn't have an answer to.
Had you originally posted this as a " challenge," I probably would have stayed out of this one!
You know that there are many things written in the Bible figuratively, or by allegory, that are very difficult to interpret, in my opinion a challenge that many people cannot interpret them really, or misinterpret, or even twist or distort them unfortunately.
My question was about "Who are the dogs according to the Rev.22:15 and Phil.3:2"?. Who the Scriptures are talking from?
I think it is very interesting to find the answer in the Bible itself. To decipher the enigma It means wisdom for us.
But what to say about Revelation 16:13? : 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.
THE QUESTION IS: WHY FROGS?
I'm not challenging anyone, it is the Bible that makes the challenge, I think it is very interesting to find the answer in the Bible itself, even JESUS said: (whoso readeth, let him understand: Matthew 24:15)- We all have to accept the challenge that JESUS made: Whoever reads understands. That's it.
I will comment on the frogs, but first you said let him who reads understand, that's it.
NO ONE but NO ONE will understand, without God CAUSING them to understand, there are people that have read his word for years and years and still don't understand.
It's all God's choice and God's work, and if you DON'T AGREE with him you can read non stop and will never understand.
When God's word says something and you don't AGREE with his word, what little light you HAVE BEEN GIVEN he will take away, if you AGREE then more light will be given ..... Matthew 13:12 ....
If one is studying and not going forward in TRUTH, he needs to examine his BELIEFS whether they aline with God's word, if they don't aline, REPENT of your sin of UNBELIEF, all other sins are covered by his blood.
Matthew 5:25 AGREE with your adversary (the WORD) quickly, while thou art in the way with him (the WORD), lest at any time he (the WORD) deliver you to the judge (the WORD), and the judge deliver you to the officer (death) and ye be cast into prison (the grave).
There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.
But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.
Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.
Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.
Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.
John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...
So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.
John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand
Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....
Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.
Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.
Ancient people didn't have dogs like pets as we do nowadays, laying on our couches and eating stakes. They used them as guards mainly against thiefs, wild animals, etc.
So they wanted them to be wild, aggressive ... bark and bite. So apply that to those verses.
Revelation 22:15 that is a former secret book GOD the Father gave to JESUS , and Philippians 3:2 wrote by Paul te Apostle, they do no refer to "pets" o wild animals, of course. To say that is ridiculous and a mockery.
I would like to clarify that It's actually a Bible study and not a discussion, so who are the dogs acccording to the expresses Scriptures?
Until this moment I have been trying to bring the brothers to interpret the Scriptures as those who are inside them, and not as those who speak of them, but being not inside but on the outside looking at the Scriptures.
What is important for all of us is to identify through the Word of GOD who the dogs are mentioned in Revelation 22:15 and Philippians 3:2, which will be left out of the kingdom of GOD that will be established in this seventh and LAST millennium or seventh and last Day, the Day of the Lord.
Who are the dogs, then? Wouldn't the answer or identification of them be in the Old Testament? Wouldn't it be interesting to identify who the dogs are specifically, so that we are all protected from these dogs as Paulo wrote to the Church of Philippi? saying: Beware of dogs, ... Phil.3:2.
Again: It's actually a Bible study and not a discussion, so who are the dogs according to the expresses Scriptures? There are many here that know Scriptures deeply, so could anyone give us where is written who the dogs are in the Old Testament, and that we all know how to protect ourselves from them?
Perhaps someone here or many may have been "bitten" by a dog in the church they attend, and do not discern that a "dog" bit them. It is important that each of us is vaccinated, I mean, knowing who are dogs is as if be vaccinated and protected from them .
Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
What does it say here about "dogs"? That they will turn against you and tear you. That is what those people do. Tear other people.
Also dogs were considered unclean animals in the Old Testament. So those people are unclean and aggressive. We all know what people like that are like. Once you meet them and realize what they are like, you keep a distance from them, you don't want to be biten, do you?
Giannis, Jordyn, Jesse, S Spencer (and other readers)
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Thank you for your reply
Giannis, you (maybe others too) think or imagine the "dogs" mentioned in the Word of GOD are aggressive, quite the opposite, they are those who give (maybe disingenuously and cynically) a "special treat" to people, smilingly hug people giving friendly pat on the back of the brothers. Terrible, very terrible, this kind of behavior of the "dogs" in the Church is danger, a stumblingblock, a trap, this kind of behaviour explains the why Paul Apostle warned the brothers, saying: Beware of dogs..., and JESUS asserted saying: Blessed are they that may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
How can brothers "beware of dogs" if they do not discern and identify not who they are?
NOTE:
Paul Apostle said to the brothers of Galatians that "Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children". This interpretation by allegory is very deep in material and spiritual terms. Impressive. And the dogs-Phil.3:2, who would be them?
After the Assyrians conquered the Kingdom of Israel, they took a big portion of the Hebrews living there (the 10 tribes) and brought them into Mesopotamia, in the East. The policy of Assyrians and Babylonians, when they faced a rebelous nation, was to disperse them in their empire so that they would not be any problem to them any more. In their place they brought nations from other regions to inhabit the land of the ex kingdom of Israel. Those people were mixed with the remaining Hebrew populations and became what in Jesus time was known as the Samaritans. Back at the time of the Assyrian conquest now, those mixed polulations worshipped the gentile Gods they brought with them from their homeland but at the same time they worshipped the Lord. Many years later the kingdom of Juda was conquered as well but this time by the Babylonians. 70 years later the Persians defeated the Babylonians and under king Cyrus the Great they permitted the dispersed Jews coming back to their homeland, if they so wished. Some did return, most of them didn't. When those Jews came back they faced the hostility of Samaritans who tried to object them from building again the Temple and the walls of Jerusalem, and also they created many problems to them So the Jews rejected them from worshipping the Lord in Jerusalem and wanted no communication with them. They considered them as gentiles and unclean. But the truth is that they were Hebrew partially as well. So the Samaritans built another temple on mountain Thabor (if I remember well) and worshipped the Lord there. During the following centuaries the hostility between the Samaritans and the Hebrews became even biger, they wouldn't even talk to one another.
I'm afraid I don't have an answer for that. If I remember right, weren't these people driven out by the Assyrians? And after they were driven out of Samaria, a group of people called the Cutheans moved into that area and later were given the name Samaritans?
I'm probably way out in left field on this one so please correct me if need be. Also, scripture indicates that the Jews had no dealings with the Samaritans. I believe they were considered unclean by the Jews.
The Samaritans are still in Palestine worshipping according to their from of YHWHism. The only use the Pentateuch as their Scriptures. Since they do not have a temple (it was destroyed in 128 B.C. by John Hyrcanus, a leader in the Jewish revolt). It stood upon Mt. Gerizim for only 200 years.
My understanding is that Assyria took the Israelites out of the northern kingdom to Assyria and imported 5 groups of eastern peoples into the northern kingdom. When the Assyrian empire collapsed, some Israelites returned to the northern kingdom, settling in what is now Samaria. They intermarried with the imported peoples and had their own form of worship of YHWH using the Torah (in Aramaic) and built a temple on Mt. Gerizim, which was where the tabernacle and ark of the covenant was first established before David brought it all to Jerusalem.
The Jews despised Samaritans, though they were blood related because: 1) they intermarried with pagans and 2) they refused to worship in Jerusalem, but at Mr. Gerizim. Their religion, like Judaism was a mixture of the original worship instructed through Moses and pagan elements that we applied to this initial worship from their captivity and (in the case of the Samaritans) through the intermarriage with pagans in Samaria.
The Israelites who returned to Canaan were small in number compared to the Israelites who remained in Assyrian and who then migrated out of Assyria, mostly northward around the Black and Caspian Sea, Caucasus Mountains, and further northward and westward in Russia and Europe. They became known as the Scythians, Cimmerians within 100 years of the 7th century and most likely became know as the Kelts (Celts) and Sakae (Saxons).
Some Israelites may have migrated south and east as well, but most likely the bulk of Israelites migrated in a north westerly direction out of Assyria to escape the warring between Assyria, Babylon, and the Medo-Persian Empires.
The ten tribes are not truly lost, but, due to mass migration, came to inhabit and populate most of Europe, intermixing with the populations encountered in their migrations.
I have not read yet of any DNA studies that link the Israelites to Europeans, nor other areas surrounding Assyria. It would be interesting to see such results.
Firstly thanks about mount Gerizim, I wrote Thabor but I was wrong. About the Scithians and Cimerians, they are not related to the Jews. They are even nowadays of unkown origin and language. The Scythians actually were not a single nation. The Greeks at that time called all the tribes and nations living north, East and West of Caucasus, with the name Scithians but they were a lot of different people. Nomadic tribes actually.
Things in ancient Europe were simple. In the North there were the Germanic nations (Saxons included). Nations more or less the same with similar languages. In the middle Europe, including Britain and Spain, the Gauls or Kelts (the Greeks called them Galatians, a part of them immigrated in Asia Minor during the 2nd centuary BC, Paul addresses them in his epistle) were the main inhabitants. More or less the same language and traditions and style of life. In the South there were mainly the Latins (or Latinized nations) and the Greeks which are nations not related to any other nation, their languages are unique. Also many other nations were living south. The Etruscans or Etrurians in Italy, the Illyrians north of Greece, the Thracians east of Greece and many other smaller nations and tribes. During the so called Classical times all the region east of Greece, as far as India, was occupied by the Persian Empire, lots of different people with different languages.
Thanks for the info. I do think that the Israelites were scattered among the nations of that time because God said in many places that He would do just that. At the time of their Assyrian captivity there were northern nomadic tribes that roamed the steppe regions of Russia, Mongolia, and some eastern lands. These were called Scythians and Cimmerians as you said. But the Scythians involved numerous Asiatic tribes and also Indo-European tribes as well. The tribes of Israel were included in this group as they did migrate north and west of south-east Turkey where they were settled initially by Assyria. But they also migrated south and east, too. As Ps. lo7:3 says that God will gather them from the north and west and east and south. Isaiah 43:5 also says pretty much the same thing, adding "from the ends of the earth" as well.
I do not think that there are more than a few places in the world that do not include those of Israelite DNA. Not only were the tribes of the northern kingdom scattered, but so the tribe of the southern kingdom were also scattered across the world with some having returned to Judah from the Babylonian exile, but most did not return.
This is what I have gleaned from researching this just this week before this topic came up. But we may not find out the truth on the migration until DNA shows the distribution among peoples and nations.
I also found out that the Lebanese people in general contain about 90% Canaanite DNA. But this is not true of the Palestinians who are a great mixture of Arab, Jewish, and peoples of Mesopotamia. The Levant has been a "melting pot" for millennia since the Israelites conquered and emaciated the Canaanites tribes of the land. Moab, Ammon, Edom, Elam, Arab, Persians, Syrians, Egypt, and other Mediterranean peoples have lived in this area since that time leading to many migrating in and out of the land for so long. Many Arabs from Saudi Arabia moved into the Levant due to wars and Islamic conquest.
As the BODY of Christ we are all given more KNOWLEDGE of different aspects of God's Kingdom, yet we as a body want to divide instead of be ONE as God commands.
Daniel 4:35 .... and God doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and NONE can STAY his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the SAME LUMP, to make one vessel unto honour, and one vessel unto dishonour.
The dogs without are the vessels of DISHONOUR.
No man has a CHOICE of what he is, it's all GOD"S WORK.
There, but by the grace of GOD go I, a vessel of dishonour.
My question was: Who are the DOGS according to the Word of GOD?
In your reply you try to make your imaginations and speculations mixing with Scriptures as were an answer for the question, but it is not, it is your false testimone of Scriptures according to the your mere presumptions. It's it.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Philippians 3:2KJV
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Who are the DOGS according to the Word of GOD?
YEah, who are the dogs? Who are them?
Considering the definition and description given by Brother Jesse and Brother Giannis.
"wild untamed, impure, and grungy"
It's fair to say these dogs "as a people" had no master!!
Certainly the dogs thats defined in the Greek translation mentioned in Revelation.
The Gentiles do fit that description.
Ephesians 2:12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Just a thought.
God bless.
The term dogs in Philippians 3:2 is actually making reference to a religious phrase. The Gentiles were considered dogs by the Jews.
There are two words in the New Testament that have to do with a dog. KUNARION ( Matthew 15:26 and Mark 7:27) is a household pet. And then we have a KUON. A Kuon is a wild scavenger. And that's the animal used here.
Gentiles were called Kuon's, wild scavengers, impure, and grungy. So it was an insult to call somebody a Kuon. And so he's using the word Kuon. He says beware of the dogs. The Jews would have understood who he was referring to.
This is the same word (KUON) that's used in Revelation 22:15.
Kuon or Kyon means "dog" as in Phil and Rev. (The "u" vowel of classical grk was changed to "y" in koine grk, pronounced as "ee")
Kunarion or Kynarion means "little, young dog", as in Matthew and Mark.
Why did Jesus said young dogs instead of dogs? In contrast to children.
And since you are learning grk, some help about pronounciation. All non grk scholars pronounce grk words using the pronounciation of vowels and consonants according to classical grk (3rd -5th centuary BC). But until Jesus' time the pronounciation had changed dramatically. Koine grk is closer to mod. grk than to classical grk. So you have to learn how we pronounce grk words nowadays. So we really say Kyon(kee-on), not Kuon.
Strong's concordance uses the classical pronounciation.
Thank you for your replies
Actually, it's a challenge to decipher the biblical enigma on: "Who are the dogs?
I see and know that you have knowledge of the Bible and both tried to answer the question, but like someone who looks to the Scriptures from outside of them to inside, and do not enter within them deeply, nor delve and immerse inside them, but like someone surfing on the surface of the water. In my view what matters is to enter and delve into the Scriptures to bring the true interpretation and solution to the biblical enigma : Who are the dogs in Revelation 22: 15 and Philippians 3:2?
The question remains open for all my brothers because the Word of GOD is not speaking of "pets", of course. What we are commenting by the Word of GOD is: "For without are DOGS... - Revelation 22:15, and Philippians 3:2 says: Beware of DOGS... ", but wait, Scriptures are not speaking of "pets", as was suggested in prior replies, so who are them? Who are the dogs?
To decipher the riddle and find the correctly answer to the question it seems a challenge, it is necessary to immerge into the Scriptures and delve into them to find and brings the solution to this enigma within the Bible, otherwise the answers may not match or fit with the Holy Scriptures, the source of Truth. This is a serious problem.
To decipher the riddle giving correctly answer to the question, it is necessary to enter into the Scriptures and delve, and immerse into them finding the solution to this enigma within the the Word of GOD. It's very interesting to decipher for us, I think.
GOD bless
I know ordinary things in the word, such as dogs, can have hidden meanings that help us understand other verses of scripture.
I will attempt to uncover you mystery meaning of dogs.
Fowls of the air carry a hidden meaning that helps understand other scriptures.
Do you know the hidden meaning of the fowls of the air.
There are a great many things that have hidden meaning, so I have no doubt that dogs could be one of them.
God BLESS YOU!
"someone who looks to the Scriptures from outside of them to inside, and do not enter within them deeply, nor delve and immerse inside them, but like someone surfing on the surface of the water?"
Wow!
I made the mistake of thinking you were asking an honest question and looking for an answer to something you didn't have an answer to.
Had you originally posted this as a " challenge," I probably would have stayed out of this one!
You know that there are many things written in the Bible figuratively, or by allegory, that are very difficult to interpret, in my opinion a challenge that many people cannot interpret them really, or misinterpret, or even twist or distort them unfortunately.
My question was about "Who are the dogs according to the Rev.22:15 and Phil.3:2"?. Who the Scriptures are talking from?
I think it is very interesting to find the answer in the Bible itself. To decipher the enigma It means wisdom for us.
But what to say about Revelation 16:13? : 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.
THE QUESTION IS: WHY FROGS?
I'm not challenging anyone, it is the Bible that makes the challenge, I think it is very interesting to find the answer in the Bible itself, even JESUS said: (whoso readeth, let him understand: Matthew 24:15)- We all have to accept the challenge that JESUS made: Whoever reads understands. That's it.
I will comment on the frogs, but first you said let him who reads understand, that's it.
NO ONE but NO ONE will understand, without God CAUSING them to understand, there are people that have read his word for years and years and still don't understand.
It's all God's choice and God's work, and if you DON'T AGREE with him you can read non stop and will never understand.
When God's word says something and you don't AGREE with his word, what little light you HAVE BEEN GIVEN he will take away, if you AGREE then more light will be given ..... Matthew 13:12 ....
If one is studying and not going forward in TRUTH, he needs to examine his BELIEFS whether they aline with God's word, if they don't aline, REPENT of your sin of UNBELIEF, all other sins are covered by his blood.
Matthew 5:25 AGREE with your adversary (the WORD) quickly, while thou art in the way with him (the WORD), lest at any time he (the WORD) deliver you to the judge (the WORD), and the judge deliver you to the officer (death) and ye be cast into prison (the grave).
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is death.
I will start another thread on the frogs.
God Bless YOU!
There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.
But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.
Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.
Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.
Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.
John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...
So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.
John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand
Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....
Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.
Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.
I will continue in a second comment on the frogs.
God BLESS YOU!
Amen.
Ancient people didn't have dogs like pets as we do nowadays, laying on our couches and eating stakes. They used them as guards mainly against thiefs, wild animals, etc.
So they wanted them to be wild, aggressive ... bark and bite. So apply that to those verses.
Revelation 22:15 that is a former secret book GOD the Father gave to JESUS , and Philippians 3:2 wrote by Paul te Apostle, they do no refer to "pets" o wild animals, of course. To say that is ridiculous and a mockery.
You misunderstood my comment. I meant the scriptures refer to people having the characteristics of dogs, aggressive people, goats not sheep.
Thank you for your replies.
I would like to clarify that It's actually a Bible study and not a discussion, so who are the dogs acccording to the expresses Scriptures?
Until this moment I have been trying to bring the brothers to interpret the Scriptures as those who are inside them, and not as those who speak of them, but being not inside but on the outside looking at the Scriptures.
What is important for all of us is to identify through the Word of GOD who the dogs are mentioned in Revelation 22:15 and Philippians 3:2, which will be left out of the kingdom of GOD that will be established in this seventh and LAST millennium or seventh and last Day, the Day of the Lord.
Who are the dogs, then? Wouldn't the answer or identification of them be in the Old Testament? Wouldn't it be interesting to identify who the dogs are specifically, so that we are all protected from these dogs as Paulo wrote to the Church of Philippi? saying: Beware of dogs, ... Phil.3:2.
Again: It's actually a Bible study and not a discussion, so who are the dogs according to the expresses Scriptures? There are many here that know Scriptures deeply, so could anyone give us where is written who the dogs are in the Old Testament, and that we all know how to protect ourselves from them?
Perhaps someone here or many may have been "bitten" by a dog in the church they attend, and do not discern that a "dog" bit them. It is important that each of us is vaccinated, I mean, knowing who are dogs is as if be vaccinated and protected from them .
GOD bless and be careful
Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
What does it say here about "dogs"? That they will turn against you and tear you. That is what those people do. Tear other people.
Also dogs were considered unclean animals in the Old Testament. So those people are unclean and aggressive. We all know what people like that are like. Once you meet them and realize what they are like, you keep a distance from them, you don't want to be biten, do you?
GBU
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Thank you for your reply
Giannis, you (maybe others too) think or imagine the "dogs" mentioned in the Word of GOD are aggressive, quite the opposite, they are those who give (maybe disingenuously and cynically) a "special treat" to people, smilingly hug people giving friendly pat on the back of the brothers. Terrible, very terrible, this kind of behavior of the "dogs" in the Church is danger, a stumblingblock, a trap, this kind of behaviour explains the why Paul Apostle warned the brothers, saying: Beware of dogs..., and JESUS asserted saying: Blessed are they that may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
How can brothers "beware of dogs" if they do not discern and identify not who they are?
NOTE:
Paul Apostle said to the brothers of Galatians that "Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children". This interpretation by allegory is very deep in material and spiritual terms. Impressive. And the dogs-Phil.3:2, who would be them?
So, the question remains: Who are the dogs mentioned in Revelation 22:15 and Philippians 3:2?
Was not the ten tribes that broke from Jerusalem referred to as Samaritans, and those Samaritans referred to as dogs, and not gentiles.
Not that it matters, most of us don't know all the Jewish traditions, It's God's choice who is in the city and those outside the walls of the city.
God Bless YOU!
After the Assyrians conquered the Kingdom of Israel, they took a big portion of the Hebrews living there (the 10 tribes) and brought them into Mesopotamia, in the East. The policy of Assyrians and Babylonians, when they faced a rebelous nation, was to disperse them in their empire so that they would not be any problem to them any more. In their place they brought nations from other regions to inhabit the land of the ex kingdom of Israel. Those people were mixed with the remaining Hebrew populations and became what in Jesus time was known as the Samaritans. Back at the time of the Assyrian conquest now, those mixed polulations worshipped the gentile Gods they brought with them from their homeland but at the same time they worshipped the Lord. Many years later the kingdom of Juda was conquered as well but this time by the Babylonians. 70 years later the Persians defeated the Babylonians and under king Cyrus the Great they permitted the dispersed Jews coming back to their homeland, if they so wished. Some did return, most of them didn't. When those Jews came back they faced the hostility of Samaritans who tried to object them from building again the Temple and the walls of Jerusalem, and also they created many problems to them So the Jews rejected them from worshipping the Lord in Jerusalem and wanted no communication with them. They considered them as gentiles and unclean. But the truth is that they were Hebrew partially as well. So the Samaritans built another temple on mountain Thabor (if I remember well) and worshipped the Lord there. During the following centuaries the hostility between the Samaritans and the Hebrews became even biger, they wouldn't even talk to one another.
Things haven't changed much, have they.
We all were made brothers and sister by the resurrection of Christ, and we sill rebel at God's word.
God BLESS YOU!
I'm afraid I don't have an answer for that. If I remember right, weren't these people driven out by the Assyrians? And after they were driven out of Samaria, a group of people called the Cutheans moved into that area and later were given the name Samaritans?
I'm probably way out in left field on this one so please correct me if need be. Also, scripture indicates that the Jews had no dealings with the Samaritans. I believe they were considered unclean by the Jews.
Blessings to you also!
The Samaritans are still in Palestine worshipping according to their from of YHWHism. The only use the Pentateuch as their Scriptures. Since they do not have a temple (it was destroyed in 128 B.C. by John Hyrcanus, a leader in the Jewish revolt). It stood upon Mt. Gerizim for only 200 years.
I did not know that. Thank you so much for sharing this with me.
God bless!!!
The Samaritans deriv Mt. Gerizim as the place of worship from what is said in deut. 27:12 and Josh. 8:33. The ark was placed at Mr. Gerizim
My understanding is that Assyria took the Israelites out of the northern kingdom to Assyria and imported 5 groups of eastern peoples into the northern kingdom. When the Assyrian empire collapsed, some Israelites returned to the northern kingdom, settling in what is now Samaria. They intermarried with the imported peoples and had their own form of worship of YHWH using the Torah (in Aramaic) and built a temple on Mt. Gerizim, which was where the tabernacle and ark of the covenant was first established before David brought it all to Jerusalem.
The Jews despised Samaritans, though they were blood related because: 1) they intermarried with pagans and 2) they refused to worship in Jerusalem, but at Mr. Gerizim. Their religion, like Judaism was a mixture of the original worship instructed through Moses and pagan elements that we applied to this initial worship from their captivity and (in the case of the Samaritans) through the intermarriage with pagans in Samaria.
The Israelites who returned to Canaan were small in number compared to the Israelites who remained in Assyrian and who then migrated out of Assyria, mostly northward around the Black and Caspian Sea, Caucasus Mountains, and further northward and westward in Russia and Europe. They became known as the Scythians, Cimmerians within 100 years of the 7th century and most likely became know as the Kelts (Celts) and Sakae (Saxons).
Some Israelites may have migrated south and east as well, but most likely the bulk of Israelites migrated in a north westerly direction out of Assyria to escape the warring between Assyria, Babylon, and the Medo-Persian Empires.
The ten tribes are not truly lost, but, due to mass migration, came to inhabit and populate most of Europe, intermixing with the populations encountered in their migrations.
I have not read yet of any DNA studies that link the Israelites to Europeans, nor other areas surrounding Assyria. It would be interesting to see such results.
Some information.
Firstly thanks about mount Gerizim, I wrote Thabor but I was wrong. About the Scithians and Cimerians, they are not related to the Jews. They are even nowadays of unkown origin and language. The Scythians actually were not a single nation. The Greeks at that time called all the tribes and nations living north, East and West of Caucasus, with the name Scithians but they were a lot of different people. Nomadic tribes actually.
Things in ancient Europe were simple. In the North there were the Germanic nations (Saxons included). Nations more or less the same with similar languages. In the middle Europe, including Britain and Spain, the Gauls or Kelts (the Greeks called them Galatians, a part of them immigrated in Asia Minor during the 2nd centuary BC, Paul addresses them in his epistle) were the main inhabitants. More or less the same language and traditions and style of life. In the South there were mainly the Latins (or Latinized nations) and the Greeks which are nations not related to any other nation, their languages are unique. Also many other nations were living south. The Etruscans or Etrurians in Italy, the Illyrians north of Greece, the Thracians east of Greece and many other smaller nations and tribes. During the so called Classical times all the region east of Greece, as far as India, was occupied by the Persian Empire, lots of different people with different languages.
Thanks for the info. I do think that the Israelites were scattered among the nations of that time because God said in many places that He would do just that. At the time of their Assyrian captivity there were northern nomadic tribes that roamed the steppe regions of Russia, Mongolia, and some eastern lands. These were called Scythians and Cimmerians as you said. But the Scythians involved numerous Asiatic tribes and also Indo-European tribes as well. The tribes of Israel were included in this group as they did migrate north and west of south-east Turkey where they were settled initially by Assyria. But they also migrated south and east, too. As Ps. lo7:3 says that God will gather them from the north and west and east and south. Isaiah 43:5 also says pretty much the same thing, adding "from the ends of the earth" as well.
I do not think that there are more than a few places in the world that do not include those of Israelite DNA. Not only were the tribes of the northern kingdom scattered, but so the tribe of the southern kingdom were also scattered across the world with some having returned to Judah from the Babylonian exile, but most did not return.
This is what I have gleaned from researching this just this week before this topic came up. But we may not find out the truth on the migration until DNA shows the distribution among peoples and nations.
I also found out that the Lebanese people in general contain about 90% Canaanite DNA. But this is not true of the Palestinians who are a great mixture of Arab, Jewish, and peoples of Mesopotamia. The Levant has been a "melting pot" for millennia since the Israelites conquered and emaciated the Canaanites tribes of the land. Moab, Ammon, Edom, Elam, Arab, Persians, Syrians, Egypt, and other Mediterranean peoples have lived in this area since that time leading to many migrating in and out of the land for so long. Many Arabs from Saudi Arabia moved into the Levant due to wars and Islamic conquest.
As the BODY of Christ we are all given more KNOWLEDGE of different aspects of God's Kingdom, yet we as a body want to divide instead of be ONE as God commands.
God BLESS YOU!
Yes, they had been dispersed, had mixed blood with other nations, yet CLAIMED to be direct descendents of of Israel, themselves keepers of the Torah.
Much the same as it is today between Israel and the joined lands.
God Bless YOU!
Daniel 4:35 .... and God doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and NONE can STAY his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the SAME LUMP, to make one vessel unto honour, and one vessel unto dishonour.
The dogs without are the vessels of DISHONOUR.
No man has a CHOICE of what he is, it's all GOD"S WORK.
There, but by the grace of GOD go I, a vessel of dishonour.
God BLESS YOU!
My question was: Who are the DOGS according to the Word of GOD?
In your reply you try to make your imaginations and speculations mixing with Scriptures as were an answer for the question, but it is not, it is your false testimone of Scriptures according to the your mere presumptions. It's it.
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