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  • Wkrimes - 11 months ago
    Why does it say in Genesis 1:1 that God created the Heaven and the Earth? but in my older Bible, it says, In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. I think we need to pay attention to what is being taken out of the scripture and what is being added to the scripture, why would it say Heaven in Genesis 1:1 but then it says Heavens in Genesis 2:1. Somebody is messing with the scripture to which will lead to confusion...
  • Duncan - In Reply - 11 months ago
    HI,

    Pray for understanding.

    It is written in

    Revelation 1:3,KJV

    3.Blessed is he that readeth,

    and they that hear the words of this prophecy,

    and keep those things which are written therein:

    for the time is at hand.

    My recommendation to all the Christian who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, those using this online tool. Get yourself familiarise with the Hebrew and Greek languages of scripture (interlinear bible) and if By the grace of God Study both Languages

    -In the Hebrew the word God and Heaven is revealed to us (Human-Beings) in Plural

    -Elohim =GOD which singular Eloah and in Plural ELOHIM.

    -Heaven= eshmim which is the heavens in Plural .

    -Therefore, when you Read in Genesis 1:20 you will be confronted with this fact God says Let us which is in Plural Indicting One Yet Three in the Scriptures.

    -Mind you this Fact is found All over the Scripture and it is written in 1 John 5:7, KJV

    7.For there are three that bear record in heaven,

    the Father, the Word, and

    the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    (Time is at Hand we are living at the end of days.)

    Repent of your sins and do not be deceive Amen.

    ACT 2:38, KJV

    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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  • DrCharlesSaw - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Wkrimes,

    Good call on Genesis 1, "Heaven" in one translation and "Heavens" in another. To understand this, I'll contrast my French translation with the English one (I speak French primarily). The French translation said, "In the beginning, God created "Heavens" and earth. Paul later reveals to us that there are three heavens. The 1st heaven is the physical "out of space" limits our eyes can see. In this "heaven" resides the demons, principalities, powers, evil spirits, etc. Remember that the earth is covered with the powers of darkness. In the second heaven (purely spiritual place) lives Satan, the king of demons, where the kingdom of darkness is organized. In the book of Daniel, the angel said he was being held by the prince of "Persia," meaning the prince of this world.

    Finally, the third heaven is the dwelling of God. The perfect place where we all long to go, where the saints are living. This is the place that Jesus referred to in John 14 when he said I'll go prepare a place for you. This is the New Jerusalem, where there is no sin, no pain, no sorrow.

    To conclude, the first translation referred to the spiritual world as "Heaven," while the second translation preferred to distinguish between those three "Heavens". I hope that helps a bit. Thanks.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 11 months ago
    DrCharlesSaw

    You say"the third heaven is the dwelling of God'',but what does the Word of GOD say? Ps.148:4-Praise GOD,ye heavens of heavens(highest heavens),and ye waters that be above the heavens(peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues; so,those which will be above the heavens are them which will be caught up out of the FIRE and be placed in the 3rd Heaven,for the 1st and 2nd heavens will be DISSOLVED- 2Peter 3:12-13,as follow:

    12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of GOD(the LORD's Day),wherein the HEAVENS(the 1st and 2nd heavens-THE CELESTIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS)being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?How?Yes, how?It is revealed and explained in Isaiah 33:10-14 combined with Hebrews 12:29 and 10:27.Take a look.

    13Nevertheless we,according to GOD's promise,look for New Heavens(the next is the 3rd heaven- Luke 20:35-36.Take a look) and a new earth(new Israel),wherein dwels righteousness.

    As you know,the Word is GOD,self-executing. Romans 9:28-31:

    -->28For GOD WILL FINISH the work(the finish of GOD's work is from now on according to the WRATH OF GOD described in Revelation 11:15-18),and He shall cut it short in RIGHTEOUSNESS: because a SHORT WORK will the Lord make upon the earth(even now, from now on, in the last week divided in two halfs of severe and terrible chastisements),as JESUS warned in Matthew 24:22,saying:"Except those days should be SHORTENED,there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be SHORTENED

    Verse 29-And as Esaias said before,Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,we had been as Sodoma(as is written in Luke 17:29-30),and been made like unto Gomorrha

    30What shall we say then?That the Gentiles,which followed not after righteousness,have attained to righteousness,even the righteousness which is of faith

    31But Israel,which followed after the Law of righteousness,has not attained to the law of righteousness

    That said Get ready
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Oseas:

    It's hard to tell by your comments whether you understand the scriptures, or, you are just quoting the scriptures.

    Matthew 24:22 And except those days should BE SHORTENED, there should NO FLESH BE SAVED....

    Your comments appear to say you believe this is something in the future.

    The word says it has all ready BEEN DONE.

    Those days were SHORTENED to the time Christ went into the garden, then judged by false witnesses, then by crucifixion, DIED on the cross, resurrected 3 days and 3 nights later, and BY HIS resurrection ALL FLESH WAS SAVED.

    You said God will finishes the work.

    The work has already BEEN FINISHED.

    Nothing can be ADDED to his resurrection, nothing can be TAKEN AWAY from his resurrection.

    Do you believe there is something more needed than the RESURRECTION of Christ.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Zaphnathpaneah - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Genesis 1:1 is The beginning of the beginning God created the Heaven AND the Earth. But in verse 2 something is amiss. It's void AND empty and there is darkness over the face of the deep AND God's Spirit is moving UPON The face of the waters searching searching searching Prophecy reveals THAT something happened between Genesis 1:1-1:2- The scriptures are complete but our human reason can't understand the work that God makes form beginning to end. Ask yourself this. Where did darkness come from? Where did the deep come from? Where did the waters come from AND why was it all void AND empty? Enough for NOW. Chee on THAT for a spell
  • Wkrimes - In Reply - 11 months ago
    My main question is why does it say in Genesis 1:1 " In the beginning, God created the [Heaven] and the Earth" when in many older Bibles it says " [Heavens] and Earth" Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth/ 1:1/ The "heavens and earth" refer to the universe as we know it (i.e., the sky above with all that is in it and the earth below). There is no one word in Hebrew for "universe." This is a figure of speech (merism) for totality; God created everything. The translators often rendered the Hebrew word 'eres (earth) as "land." By translating it this way we can see that Moses wanted his readers to realize that God created and therefore owned all land (cf. 12:7 and all subsequent references to the Promised Land; Ps. 24:1).[24]
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Wkrimes,

    Genesis 1:1 The Hebrew word shamayim meaning heaven, heavens, sky, and lofty, is in the Bible over 400 times and it is masculine plural. The Hebrew word for water is mayim it is also masculine plural, due to ending in im. They are plural nouns but can be dual, as the names of people and places in the Bible end in im. Translating it into English would depend on the context.

    Some translations have heavens, and some have heaven but what is Genesis 1:1 saying? Some say this includes all three heavens, some even put a gap between verses 1 and 2, but what beginning is this? The third heaven is where God's throne and the angelic beings are, they were already there. They were before this world and universe as we see in Job 38:4-7 so this is our beginning, not the beginning of all creation.

    My understanding is this verse is the introduction to the creation of the things that can be seen that are temporal that one day will all be made new. What I see is God waved His hand and all that is in our universe and our world was created and it all was in darkness and chaos. Nothing was formed or brought forth into order, the light shined into the darkness, light was the first day, the beginning of order that we see take place in the following verses.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Wkrimes - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Thank you Ronald for your awesome wisdom, what you said makes very good sense
  • Oseas - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Wkrimes

    You are confounding "Heavens" with Sky, for heavens are spiritual, sky is material. When Paul Apostle was caught to the third heaven, he did not make a travel to the space, to the sky, of course, as do the spaceman or the rockets. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. By the way, when JESUS was born, He came from heaven, not from the Sky, from the space, understand? Furthermore, All things were made by my Lord JESUS; and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.

    Hebrews 1-2 and 11:3

    1 - GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    2 Hath in these last Days(last two Days or last 2000 years)spoken unto us by His Son,whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds.

    11:3 Through FAITH(not by sight, or even by the letter of the Scriptures,the letter kills)we UNDERSTAND that the WORLDS were framed/created by the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-,self-executing-,so that things which are seen WERE NO MADE of things which do appear.

    Isaiah 40:21-22

    21Have ye not known?have ye not heard?hath it not been told you from the beginning?have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

    22It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;that stretcheth out the HEAVENS as a curtain,and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

    Isaiah 51:14-17

    14The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed,and that he should not die in the pit,nor that his bread should fail.

    15But I am the Lord thy GOD,that divided the sea,whose waves roared:The Lord of hosts is His name.

    16And I have put my WORD in thy mouth,and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand,that I MAY PLANT THE HEAVENS, and lay the foundations of the earth,and say unto Zion,Thou art my people.

    17 Awake,awake,stand up,O Jerusalem,which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury...

    GOD bless
  • Giannis - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hello Zaphnathpaneah.

    " Where did darkness come from? Where did the deep come from? Where did the waters come from AND why was it all void AND empty?". One can not know what God has not revealed, only guesses.

    Genesis was written in a manner that all people since the begining can have a very general knowledge of how God created everything. It is not a detailed scientific account of creation, that was not God's aim. It was written with simple words that ancient or primitive people can also understand as well as us today, So don't look for detailed scientific expanations.

    Also God always talks to people according to the knowledge humanity has in every age. So in Joshua He said that he stopped the sun from moving in the sky, because at that time people believed that the sun orbits the earth which is wrong and we know today that He definitely stopped the earth not the sun. God's aim is not to teach science but to give a message using the knowledge we have aquired so far. So people like Paul talk about the 3rd heaven, others talk about 7 heavens, because it was what they believed at that time. Today knowing what the universe consists from we would say that Paul went outside the material universe where God and the angels are living or something similar.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Wkrimes

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    In fact GOD created the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd heavens(the 3rd is the heaven where Paul Apostle was caught up- 2Corinthians 12:2), and created the heaven of the heavens- 1Kings 8:27.

    Genesis is a GOD's Plan to restore or of restitution of all things: Acts 3:19-21. The earth(not the Planet) was created when GOD said: "Let the WATERS under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the DRY LAND(THE CLAY) appear: and it was so". This LITERALLY fulfilled when GOD SEPARATED the seed of Abraham from thee reign of Pharaoh in Egypt and placed them in the Promised Land.

    10 And God called the dry land earth(Israel); and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas(peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues in the time of Moses - Gentile peoples): and GOD saw that it was good.

    Hebrews 1:1-3

    1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;

    3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's Person(GOD is Spirit), and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    My Lord JESUS - the Greater Light, Genesis 1:16- the Word made flesh, came here in the fourth Day, around 4000 years after Adam, around 2000 years ago, and He said : My Father worketh hitherto(fourth Day), and I work - Jphn 5:17.

    1 Corinthians 2:14&16 :

    14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.



    GOD bless



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