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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 222931

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  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Part 1.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 1)

    By Dave Hunt

    That vicious anti-Semitism would pursue the Jews worldwide throughout history is one of many prophecies about Israel ( Dt 28:37; Neh 1:8; 2 Ch 7:20; Jer 24:9; 25:11; 29:18-19; 44:8; Amos 9:9, etc.) that God points to as proof that He is the one true God, that the Bible is His Word, and that the Jews are His chosen people (Is 42:8-9; 43:10; 46:9-10; 48:5, etc.). From a human point of view, there is no rational ground for such persistent, widespread anti-Semitism; yet this prophecy has come true with a vengeance. The only explanation is found in the Bible: the Jews are God's chosen people and under His judgment for their rebellion against Him ( Dt 28:15-68; 29:24-28; 30:17-20, etc.).

    There is a further obvious reason for this universal anti-Semitism: hatred of Jews and Israel is inspired of Satan because his only hope to escape eternal doom is to destroy them. This he must do to save himself from God's wrath. Had Satan been able to destroy the Jews before Christ came, he would have prevented the birth of the Messiah, the salvation of mankind, and his own defeat through the sacrifice of the Son of God for mankind's sins. Moreover, for promising a Messiah and a salvation that never came, God would have been proved a liar and thus could not righteously have punished Satan.

    Of course, the Messiah came and defeated Satan, "tasting death for every man" ( Heb 2:9) and bearing "our sins in his own body on the tree" (1 Pt 2:24). Countless multitudes have been redeemed and will spend eternity in the Father's house of "many mansions" because of having received the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. But Christ's defeat of Satan through His death and resurrection did not end the battle between God and Satan for the hearts, minds, and eternal destiny of mankind. That battle continues to rage--and Israel is at its center.

    See Part 2.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 3.

    "Palestine"?

    In spite of such Qur'anic passages, Islam claims that "Palestine" belongs to the Arab descendants of Ishmael. This is the basis of the hatred Muslims have toward Israel and of their determination to exterminate its people and to possess all of Israel for themselves. In fact, "Palestine" is not mentioned once in the Qur'an--very strange, considering the importance Muslims attach to it today.

    That spurious claim is further "legitimized" through a people who today call themselves "Palestinians." They claim descent from the "original Palestinians" and that, therefore, the entire land of "Palestine" is theirs, but is being unlawfully occupied by Jews. They demand all of this land as their possession. Such a claim is fraudulent for many well-established reasons.

    "I will have to portion this out so I can find out what is not allowed in the text. Sorry".

    See Part 4
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 2a

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 1)

    By Dave Hunt.

    The God of Ishmael?

    The God of the Bible is called "the God of Israel" 203 times. Never is He called the God of any other people--and certainly never is He called the God of Ishmael or of the Arabs. He further declares, "I AM the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" ( Ex 3:13-16). Twelve times this name is given to God. Christ argued the resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (and thus of all believers) from this title, declaring that "God is not the God of the dead but of the living" ( Mt 22:31-32).

    The entire land of Canaan (which became Israel) was promised to Abraham and to his seed for ever ( Gen 12:7; 13:15, 17:19; Ex 6:8; Lev 25:23). Who can claim to be this "seed"? Islam teaches that it was Ishmael, not Isaac, who was the "son of promise" and was offered by Abraham upon the altar. Ishmael was the firstborn, and thus the Arabs, who claim descent from him, are adamant that they--not the Jews--are the rightful heirs to God's promise of the land of Canaan. Of course, Ishmael was not the son God promised, but the product of Abraham's and Sarah's unbelief. Instead of being born to Sarah, Abraham's wife, his mother was Hagar, Sarah's maid.

    The Bible makes it very clear in many ways that the promised son was Isaac and that he and his descendants were the rightful heirs to God's promises to Abraham. Apparently content with Ishmael whom he loved, Abraham desired no other son ( Gen 17:15-18). But God insisted that He would give Abraham a son through his wife, Sarah, that his name would be Isaac, and that he would be the heir to the promises and to the land (17:19-21). Furthermore, the true heirs to the promises would be slaves in a foreign land for 400 years ( Gen 15:13).

    See Part 2b
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 2b

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 1)

    By Dave Hunt.

    This never happened to the Arabs, but only to the Jews, who, during this isolation, did not intermarry with non-Jews but became an identifiable ethnic group, were led en masse into the Promised Land, and we know who their descendants are today. In contrast, Ishmael's descendants intermarried at least with Midianites (Jdg 8:1, 12, 22, 24) and with those of Esau ( Gn 28:9) who, in turn, intermarried with Hittites (26:34).

    In the beginning, the Qur'an called Jews and Christians the "people of the book" and honored much of the Bible as inspired of the true God. When Muhammad turned against these people, however, the tone of the Qur'an changed. The claim is made today that the Bible was perverted in order to make it seem that the Jews were the heirs. Of course, we have Bible manuscripts both before and after Muhammad, and they are identical. In fact, the Qur'an itself repeatedly declares that the Jews are Allah's chosen people to whom he gave the Promised Land:

    "We made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel" (Surah 5:70); "We brought the Children of Israel across the [Red] sea, and Pharaoh with his hosts pursued them and we verily did allot unto the Children of Israel a fixed abode" (10:91, 94); "[Pharaoh] wished to scare them from the land, but we drowned him and those with him [in the Red Sea] all together. And we said unto the Children of Israel dwell in the land" (17:103-104); "we delivered the Children of Israel from Pharaoh. We chose them, purposely, above all creatures (44:30-32); we favored them above all peoples" (45:16); "Remember Allah's favor to you. He gave you what he gave no other of his creatures. O my people, go into the Holy Land which Allah hath ordained for you" (95:20-21), etc.

    See Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bare with me, Apparently I have to do some editing on part 3.



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