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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 222940

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  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Part 5

    "Palestine"?

    Even had there been a land of Palestine and "Palestinians," the Arabs could not possibly be descended from them. They claim descent from Ishmael, who was certainly not a "Palestinian." His father, Abraham, was from Ur of the Chaldees, and his mother, Hagar, was an Egyptian. Neither of them was one of the "original inhabitants of Canaan," nor even remotely related to such a people. The land was already settled when Abraham with his wife, Sarah, and her maid, Hagar, arrived there.

    Furthermore, as late as the 1950s Arabs refused to be called Palestinians. To the British Peel Commission in 1937, a local Arab leader testified, "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented." Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, testified to an Anglo-American Committee of inquiry in 1946, "There is no such thing as Palestine in history--absolutely not!" To the UN Security Council in 1956, Ahmed Shukairy declared, "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Eight years later, in 1964, Shukairy became the founding chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization. No "Palestinian," like Arafat, he was born in Cairo.

    Abraham settled in Hebron in the land of Canaan ( Gen 13:18; 23:2, 19; 35:27; 37:14, etc.). Everyone knows where Hebron and Canaan were located then and now--nowhere near Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Yet the Qur'an and Islam claim that Abraham and Ishmael together built the Ka'aba. This is pure fabrication-as is the claim in the Qur'an that a Samaritan built the golden calf in the wilderness, 700 years before Samaritans even existed.

    See Part 6.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 6.

    "Palestine"?

    Ishmael was born after Abraham had lived in Hebron for ten years. Fourteen years later, Isaac was born in Hebron to Abraham and his wife, Sarah. Ishmael mocked Isaac, and Sarah banished him and his mother, Hagar ( Gen 21:10-20). From that time onward, Ishmael was no longer part of Abraham's household but lived far away "in the wilderness of Paran" (21:21). Indeed, God did not consider him to be Abraham's son! God told Abraham: "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest and offer him [as] a burnt-offering" ( Gen 22:1-2).

    Thirty-seven years after giving birth to Isaac, at the age of 127, Sarah died (23:1). Abraham was still in Hebron of Canaan, where he had lived more than 70 years. He purchased the cave of Macpelah from Ephron the Hittite (23:1-20) and there he buried Sarah. Thirty-eight years later, at the age of 175, Abraham died and was buried in Macpelah next to Sarah. After Abraham's death, Isaac continued to live in Hebron in the land of Canaan another 110 years. One by one, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, and Leah all died and were buried in the family tomb, the cave of Macpelah--but not Ishmael. No Arab or Muslim was ever buried there.

    David was first crowned king in Hebron and ruled there over Judah 712 years before moving his throne to Jerusalem. Hebron is of great significance to the Jews. Yet Muslims built a mosque at Macpelah, claim the burial place of Jewish patriarchs as their own, forbid access to Jews, have periodically slaughtered and expelled Jews from Hebron, and desire to make it Jew-free today. They also claim that Jerusalem and the entire land of Israel have always belonged to them, that no Jews ever lived there, and that the Israelis are occupying Arab land! Incredibly, the world accepts this lie as the basis for forcing upon Israel a fraudulent "peace" in the Middle East.

    See Part 7
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 7

    "Palestine" ?

    Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their families lived for more than 300 years in the land of Canaan, which God had promised to them and to their descendants. (Arabs never lived there in any numbers until after the seventh-century A.D. Muslim invasion of Israel.) Jacob and his family temporarily moved to Egypt because of a famine in Canaan, but remained there 400 years and became the slaves of the Egyptians, then were brought back to conquer Canaan as God had foretold, establishing them as the heirs of God's promises to Abraham ( Gen 15:13-14).

    Thereafter Canaan was known as the land of Israel, which it is called 31 times in Scripture. Its kings ruled from Jerusalem over a vast empire stretching from the Sinai to the Euphrates, until they were conquered by the Babylonians around 600 B.C. and scattered to many nations, as God had warned. Thus, for 300 years before Egypt and about 1,000 years thereafter--a total of 1,300 years--the Jews dwelled in their own land, the land of Israel. It is an insult to the God of Israel and to His chosen people to call Israel "Palestine"! Please don't encourage this lie!

    Ishmael's descendants never lived in Canaan. Most of them settled in the Arabian Peninsula. It would not be until the seventh century, through the Islamic invasions, that Arabs would come in any significant numbers into the land of Israel, which in A.D. 135 the Roman conquerors (after rebuilding Jerusalem as a pagan city dedicated to Jupiter) had angrily renamed Provincia Syria-Palestina after Israel's ancient enemies, the Philistines.

    Tomorrow I will post

    "The Islamic Threat To Israel" (Part 2)

    Dave Hunt.

    Good night and God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 8.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    Dave Hunt

    His Legacy Lives On

    In obedience to Muhammad, successor and father-in-law, Abu Bakr, and loyal Muslim warriors killed about 70,000 Arabs, former Muslims, in the "Wars of Apostasy." Thus Arabia was forced back into Islam once again.

    Thereafter, under Abu Bakr and succeeding caliphs, Islam spread swiftly by the sword from France all the way to China--"defensive" wars, of course. Millions were killed by the conquering Muslim armies. There is no way to "explain" away today's suicide bombers and other Muslim terrorists as a handful of extremists. This is Islam as Muhammad and his successors established and practiced it from the beginning and down through the centuries. Historians describe the conquest of India as "the bloodiest story in history." There Muslims killed more Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs than Hitler killed Jews. The Taj Mahal was built by a Muslim mogul with 20,000 slave laborers.

    Foundational to Islam is the declaration Muhammad made: "Allah has commanded me to fight against all people until all people confess that Allah is the true god and Muhammad is his prophet." The entire world is divided by Islam into Dar al-Islam (the house of peace) and Dar al-Harb (the house of war). There is perpetual Jihad by Islam against Dar al-Harb. There can never be "peace" until Islam has subjected the entire world to Allah. Verses advocating fighting to take over the world for Islam (of which there are more than 100) include the following: 2:190-193, 210, 224; 4:74-76, 89, 101; 5:36, 54; 8:12, 17, 59-60, 65; 9:5, 14, 29, 41, 123; 47:4, etc.

    See Part 9.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 9.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    Muhammad also declared, as recorded in the Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, "The last day will not come until the Muslims confront the Jews and the Muslims destroy them. In that day Allah will give a voice to the rocks and the trees and they will cry out, 'Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him!'" This is not an obscure teaching from Muhammad, but the very foundation of Islam, taught to Muslims through the centuries from their earliest years.

    As a result, ever since the Muslim conquest of the Middle East, Jews have suffered in Muslim countries from inhumane treatment and periodic bursts of violence that left many of them dead or seriously wounded. Take only one country, Morocco, as an example of what occurred everywhere under Islam. Jews were forced to live in ghettos called mellahs. One historian writes that rape, looting, burning of synagogues, destruction of Torah scrolls and murder were "so frequent that it is impossible to list them." As only one instance of many, in Fez, in A.D. 1032, about 6,000 Jews were murdered and many more "robbed of their women and property." In 1066, after Islam took over Spain, the Jews of Granada were massacred--and that fate periodically overtook those who would not bow to Islam.

    The fierce persecution of 1640, in which even women and children were murdered, was called the "al-Khada." Under Muslims, Jews suffered "such repression, restriction and humiliation as to exceed anything in Europe." Continuing that tradition, although there were no Jews in his country and none are allowed to enter to this day, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud said, "for a Muslim to kill a Jew...ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven...." Diabolical motivation indeed!

    See Part 10.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 10.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    Home, Not-so-sweet Home

    On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. Israel's Proclamation of Independence stated: "We extend our hand to all neighboring States and their peoples in an offer of peace...and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land...placing our trust in the Almighty...." That olive branch was trampled by the regular armies of at least five Arab nations attacking Israeli settlers in what they described as a war of extermination. That to exterminate Israel is required by Islam (no Arab map shows Israel's existence) makes real peace in the Middle East impossible--but political correctness won't admit it.

    More than 800,000 Jews fled from Muslim lands to Israel for refuge, leaving behind virtually everything they had possessed. This was almost double the number of Arab refugees who fled from Israel during the war of independence. Yet these Jewish refugees who fled persecution and slaughter are ignored in the media. For example, in 1948 there were about 265,000 Jews in Morocco, today there are about 5,000. There were about 140,000 Jews in Algeria, while today there are none. There were about 135,000 in Iraq, 75,000 in Egypt, and 30,000 in Syria, with only about 100 remaining in each of these countries.

    See Part 11.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 11.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    The Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 (in spite of Israel's urgent invitation to remain to build a new country together) did so at the insistence of the Arab military. They were warned that those who remained would be considered traitors to the Arab cause. Most of those who fled never saw an Israeli soldier. They are the only "refugees" in the Middle East as far as the world is concerned and to whom all the sympathy is given. Jewish refugees count for nothing. The families of those who did not flee comprise about 25 percent of Israel's citizens today and have full voting rights. Some are even members of the Knesset, in spite of their opposition to Israel's existence. In stark contrast, no Jew can be a citizen of any Muslim country, where the few remaining have almost no rights.

    One would expect that the Jewish refugees, numbering about twice as many at the time and having fled indescribable persecution in Muslim lands, would be more than a fair exchange for the Arab refugees. Jews would never want to go back to these Muslim lands, and have been well absorbed into normal Israeli life. But the Arab "refugees" (in spite of the Arabs possessing 700 times the land given to Israel, and with vast sums of oil money available for assistance) have been deliberately kept in squalid camps as a festering sore to support Islam's controversy with Israel. They have multiplied into millions and would literally destroy Israel if the world could ever force Israel to receive them back. On October 11, 1949, Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Saleh el-Din, declared that in demanding the return of the refugees to Palestine [i.e., Israel], "the Arabs intend that they shall return as masters.... More explicitly: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."

    See Part 12.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 12.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    Why the Jews?

    In the last century there were more than 100 million displaced refugees (about 15 million in the creation of India and Pakistan). None ever go back nor does the United Nations concern itself in any attempt to send them back. This is the rule and practice. Ah, but there is one exception--the "Palestinians" must be received back to Israel in order to destroy her. Nothing aroused Satan's hatred and the wrath of Islam like the birth of the nation of Israel. It must be annihilated. And here Islam itself is the driving force, not a few "extremists." Islam promises Muslims victory against the Jews as well as against the entire world.

    Instead, they taste only humiliation in every attack they launch. Israel, on the other hand, in spite of being under God's judgment, enjoys His protection in many ways, as foretold: "In that day will I make the governors of Judah like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about" ( Zech 12:6). The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 have borne eloquent testimony to the truth of Scripture: "If it had not been the Lord who was on our side, now may Israel say; If it had not been the Lord who was on our side, when men rose up against us: Then they have swallowed us up quick, when their wrath is kindled against us Blessed be the Lord, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth.Our help is in the name of the Lord who made heaven and earth" ( Ps 124:1-8).

    The Arabs' repeated defeat at the hands of Israel is for them both embarrassing and maddening. The Imams blame this shame upon the departure from true Islam by the masses of Muslims. They are whipping up a worldwide revival of fundamentalist Islam as the way to regain Allah's blessing and thereby defeat Israel.

    See Part 13.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 13.

    The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 3)

    There is a law in Islam that once Muslims have possessed a territory in their conquest of the world (as commanded by Allah through his prophet Muhammad), that land can never be relinquished. Islam cannot tolerate having territory which it once controlled regain its independence. Nor can non-Muslims reign over Muslims. Having taken Jerusalem in 641, Muslims controlled all of what had once been Israel for centuries. The Turkish Ottoman Empire held the entire Middle East for 400 years until 1917. It is therefore an unacceptable reversal of Islamic history for Jews now to be in control of any of their Promised Land. Thus, as soon as the UN partitioned "Palestine" in 1947, the Arabs rioted in protest.

    So long as Israel retains autonomy over one square yard of land in the Middle East, it is an affront to Islam and declares to the world that Islam is a false religion, Allah a false god, Muhammad a false prophet, and the Qur'an a false revelation. This is the issue--and all the talk of "peace" without recognizing and changing this teaching of Islam is both a fool's dream and a fraud.

    See Part 14.

    "The Islamic Threat To Israel (Part 4)"
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    S. Spencer

    Thanks for posting this information. We do need to know the truth concerning the land God promised to Israel, the Israelites, and also understand the history of the Arabs and people in Palestine in order to understand their hatred for the Jews, and their desire to re-write the history of the descendants of Abrahan with Ishmael as the chosen heir of the covenant. Ishmael resented being replaced by Isaac as the heir of promise and his descendants have always wished to have that status. Also, Ishmael's descendants are a mixture of the people of Esau, Canaanites, and non-semitic peoples of the Arabian peninsula. Also, Most Arabs are not descended from Abraham, but some are descended from Abraham's sons from Keturah which settled the Arabian peninsula. They have created an untrue and misleading history for themselves in order to justify their overtaking of the lands of the Levant for Islam. They came in in the 7th century to take control of the Levant from the countries that controlled it then, which were not Arabs, but the Byzantine empire.

    It is sad that so many Muslims believe all of this. In this time of history one can find out the correct information online now. So I do hope and pray that many Muslims and sympathizers will go online and discover the truth for themselves. I pray more-so that in doing so will realize that they have believed lies concerning the Levant, Islamic history, and especially the deception of the Islamic faith as put forth in the Quaran and the leaders of this false, evil religion.

    AS believer, I think we should stand with Israel and not Islamic people. This is more spiritual in nature than many realize. It is more about hatred for the true God of Scriptures and the people that follow Him through knowing Scriptures and believing what it says. They want what Jews and Christians have from the God but do not want to serve Him. They instead choose to serve the idol that Muhammed promoted in his disjointed books. Sad it is.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Gigi.

    More on this once I finish my chores.

    God bless.



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