Bible Discussion Thread

RichFairhurst

The seed of Abram lived 400 years in the Egypt, in that period GOD made to be born Moses, since then GOD worked to fulfill His promise to Abram, it was in the half of the 2nd to the 3rd GOD's work Day,or around 2500 years after Adam(1500 years BC),and in the given period of time, GOD fulfilled His promise to Abram,as follow:

From Abraham to the Exodus really passed 430 years( Galatians 3:17,take a look)

Moses was 80 years when GOD sent him to bring His people out of Egypt,and died at 120 years old.Moses was born around 310 years after Abraham,and lived 40 years at the Egyptian court- Acts 7:23. After,Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh,and dwelt in the land of Midian by 40 years pasturing flocks- Acts 7:30. Then,GOD called Moses,saying:"Come now therefore,and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that you may bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt".Moses was 80 years old

Moses spent 40 years leading the Hebrew people to the promised land- Acts 7:36,it was around 2513 years after Adam(two Days and half,of GODs' works)

God bless

I made a mistake about age of Sarah at her death. She was 127 years old when she died and not 128. This meant that Issac could have been as old as 37 at her death, and possibly as young as 36, depending on the exact dates of Sarah's birth and death and the exact date of Issac's birth.

If God asked Abraham to sacrifice Issac 3 years earlier on the evening of Passover and Abraham received Issac back as from the dead three days later, Issac could have been 34 years old, and possibly as young as 33 years old at that time. In any case, this would probably match up very well with the likely age that Jesus was when He died and rose again.

A 3 year separation of the death of Sarah and Abraham's purchase of the cave for her burial as his first and only possession in the land from Issac being offered and restored from death certainly is possible and would be fitting in many ways if that occurred, but I do acknowledge that the Scriptures don't give sufficient details to prove that that is the exact amount of time that passed between the two events.

I believe based on Acts 7:2-7 that the 430 years began from the day the "God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was still in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran, and said to him, 'Get out of your country and from your relatives, and come to a land I will show you.'", which began the sojourn of the sons of Israel. This would mean that God's first appearance to Abram occurred on the 15th day of the month Nisan, which was exactly 430 years to the day before the children of Isreal left the land of Egypt on the first day of Passover.

It appears from Gen 11:28-32 that Abram told his father he was leaving Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Cannan, but this resulted in his father deciding to go along and take Lot with them. Terah ended up taking the lead in the journey and caused Abram to settle in Haran until Terah's death. Abram was 75 when he resumed his journey and reached Canaan where God told him "To your seed I will give this land." However, he allowed Lot to come with him.

Gen 13 and 14 shows that there were two stages in Abram's physical separation from Lot, where Lot first chose to sojourn to the cities of the plain of Jordan as far as Sodom, and then became entangled in the war and captivity of those cities, leading Abram to have to pursue the captors to deliver Lot.

I believe Gen 15 took place when Abram on the 15th of Nisan exactly 30 years after the original call God had given when Abram was in Mesopotamia and 400 years before the Passover when Israel left Egypt. If chapter 15 also occurred in the same year that Sarai gave Hagar to Abram when he was 85 ( Gen 16:3) then that would mean Abram had spent 20 years in Haran with his father and 10 years in Cannan continuing to interact with Lot before he had fully separated from his family. This explains why God chose that particular night to finally impute righteousness to Abram's faith and to pass through the sacrifice to make a covenant to give the land as his possession ( Gen 15:18).

RichFairhurst"

Yes, you are right, truer, for you did an excellent biblical study and got to a true conclusion that is confirmed even by the Word of GOD. According Exodus 12:40-41 the children of Israel dwelt in Egypt 430 years. Paul Apostle says the same in his epistle to the Church of Galatians- Galatians 3:17.

God bless you, and remain prepared with your lamp(GOD's Word), and oil, (because only lamp is not suffice to meet the Lord JESUS), so that your lamp does not go out in this turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, the Lord's Day, for it's midnight at GOD's clock and the darkness is great and is dangerous. Remember Psalm 91 as a whole, here I highlight verse 5&6 that say: 5 "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; ... 6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; ...

Again: GOD bless

I should have said that 490 years is 70 weeks of years (70 x 7 = 490), and not 70 times 7 weeks of years.

Also the 30 years that passed between the appearance of God to Abram in Mesopotamia on Nisan 15 where He made the promise that started Abram's sojourn until the covenant God made with Abram on Nisan 15 in Genesis 15 would be one month of years (the month Nisan in the Hebrew calendar is 30 days long).

I also believe that the 40 years in the wilderness was required before the first member of the 4th generation army was admitted to Isreal's ranks when they turned 20 years old on the day of Passover in the 470th year after God appeared to Abraham.

The last member of 4th generation of Israel's army was admitted to its ranks the day before the Passover in the 490th year after God appeared to Abraham, which was the first Passover celebrated in Hebron after Caleb took possession of it. Hebron was the place Abram was standing 460 years earlier in Gen 15 when God told Abram he would know with certainty he would possess the land when his seed returned here (i.e. Hebron) in the 4th generation. This Passover occurred after 70 times 7 weeks of years which is later echoed by Jesus in the number of times we are required to forgive our brothers their sin rather than merely the 7 times that Peter suggested as the maximum number of times we must forgive our brothers their sins.

The sacrifice of Issac by Abraham also almost certainly again occurred on the day of Passover. This established the mountain which David bought to build the temple and which led to him receiving the promise of both the everlasting house and kingdom that our Lord has established. The offering of Issac could have taken place as early as Abraham's 28th year in the land when Issac was 13 (the age Ishmael was circumcised and Jewish men have their Bar Mitzvah) or as late as the 53rd year Abraham sojourned in the land when Issac was 38 in the year his mother Sarah died at age 128 and Abraham purchased her burial cave. This range allows for Issac to be the exact same age when Abraham offered him as a sacrifice that Jesus was when he was offered by the Father as a sacrifice. This almost certainly occurred when Issac was 35, which would have been 3 years before the burial cave was bought, i.e. 3 days of years signifying Christ would take possession of death and the grave in 3 days.

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