2 ...Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne.
Yea, Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne, both Righteousness and Judgment are implicit in the Word. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
Who are the 24 elders sat on 24 thrones- Revelation 4:4 combined with Revelation 11:16-17?
They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned. In fact, GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament.
Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:4.
They are the 24 messengers of the Word,the Word is GOD,beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth-Rev.4:6.
What are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth?
Now let me explain where you have gone wrong in your assumptions. You state the 24 elders are crowned. Is it for writing merely Old Testament?
You make it sounds mechanical. Is the Word cut piecemeal as a Meat packing company packs so many trucks to their retail outlets scattered about. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;" What holds all these is Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. There is only one testament:The slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. It was not shed half for Israel and the other half for the Gentiles. The slain Lamb in the mind of God in due time was presented before the world as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Israel rejected him. For those who received him in the times God has reserved the Throne of God and of the Lamb. Without shedding of the blood there is no redemption.
Re.5 tells us one clue: the elders are already in the know who is worthy to receive the book bound with seven seals. "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."(5:5)
second clue: "four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."(5:8) I do not think Hosea (I suppose you were named after him) was playing harp let alone second fiddle as these elder are doing. Prayers of saints they bear as the body God has set as memorial and not to answer them as some apostate churches teach. They are not go between man and God. instead God's surety that He rewards faith of man.
"They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned. In fact, GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament
To end the discussion, I'm glad you have repeated what I said and listed in my post. i.e. ''GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament, and 'They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned''. Yes, I work with the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13.
In the other hand, you said me I'm wrong and I do suppositions because I stated who are the 24 elders that are crowned, and you asked: ''is it for writing merely Old Testament?'' Now, now, the OT is NOT mere writings as you say, no, absolutely no, it is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD is Spirit, self-executing, understand? The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, not a MERELY writings as you have posted. Fear GOD.
No, 'I don't also make it sounds mechanical' as you said in your reply, your peculiar verbiage in the second, and third and fourth paragraph only sounds like metal, like mere tinkling bells, nothing more than a comment without form and void. Fear GOD- Matthew 10:28.
You apparently left out Enoch from your list of 24 elders." And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,/ To execute judgment upon all,"(Jude vv.14-15)
Enoch is not one of the crowned 24 elders enthroned around GOD's Throne,no absolutely.
I work with the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing,understand?
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness: That the man of GOD may be perfect,thoroughly furnished unto all good works- 2Timothy 3:16-17.
Furthermore,the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils- 1Timothy 4.
The content of your prior posts is the LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD saying: 2Timothy 4:3-4-->3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but...shall they heap to themselves teachers,having itching ears;4And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth,and shall be turned unto fables.
Peter Apostle in his universal epistle also said that they have not followed cunningly devised fables(as thou are doing here among us or even elsewhere.Thou are sowing tares here,unfortunately,you know that the tares will be burned with everlasting fire).
And JESUS said:Jo.16:13-15
13Howbeit when he,the Spirit of Truth,is come,he will guide you into all Truth:for he shall not speak of himself;but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak:and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me:for he shall receive of mine,and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine:therefore said I,that he shall take of mine,and shall shew it unto you.
2Pe.1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy;whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,until the Day dawn,and the Day star arise in your hearts: -Amen-
20Knowing this first,that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:but holy men of GOD spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
You work with the word of God. Well and Good. I work with what I can and I hope from evidences that the Spirit has scattered all across the scripture what I speak is in agreement; and it is God who rewards so I will leave at that.
As I affirmed in prior post, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, the Word is from everlasting to everlasting, understand?
And you said to me in your reply, it is 'Well and Good' to work with the Word of GOD as I do. This is the reason by which in the list of the 24 elders that I have posted, Enoch is not one of them. So, I told you Enoch is NOT one of the twenty four elders.
The wisdom of GOD is in mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which He ordained before the world unto the glory of the true believers, as is written in 1Corinthians 2:9-10
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him. But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.
In the other hand, you said you 'work with what you can', and regarding what you have sowed here saying Enoch is one of the 24 elders,it's not true. You are working with devilish LITERATURES of the Jews, you are working with esoteric, kabbalistic and spiritist trash about Enoch spread mainly through Internet by devilish messengers of the father of the Jews- John 8:44.HOW CAN YOU BELEIVE IN THEM?INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
No surprise THE EXISTENCE of devilish lieteratures of Enoch,the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Jews also invented 10 fictitious names for my GOD Father,and printed them in the Old Testament(Tanack) as:YHWH,Yahweh,Jehovah,HaShem,Adonai, Yehovah,Elohim,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah(fictitious NAMES of GOD or NICKNAMES)that will be burned with everlasting fire from now on.
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing. Hebrews 4:12-13. Take a look.
Be careful or else get ready,GOD is a consuming/devouring fire.
Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the Day shall declare it,because it shall be revealed by fire;and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
I suggested Enoch in an indirect way to make you rethink. If you are sure you work with the word it is well and good. If it is with the word of God neither you or I can guarantee. God looks at motives and not. It seems to me that you cannot see reason so let us stop right away.
My understanding of these 24 elders are as follows:
The four beasts and the elders are memorial set by God, so they do not represent anything than what they say in v.11. They were created 'for thy pleasure.'
Secondly they are led by the four beasts, another memorial to the glory of God. This is with regards to His creation. Both together serves as the memorial for 'the body thou hast prepared me.' It is the Son who is telling before the visible world was made to appear.(He.11:3) In his son means the beasts and the elders serve as witness.
The body is for fulfilling the Gospel of God. "Lo I have come to do thy will."
The word became flesh and preached everlasting gospel, in heaven on earth and when he died he in Spirit preached those souls in prison, the Old Testament saints who did not get a chance to hear him. The command number Three refers the Son in heaven. 3X8=24
Why eight? Refer Ec.11:1-2 "Give a portion to seven, and also to eight;" Seven is perfection and eight refers to below the earth.
Now for the text:
Re.4:9-11
And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
2 ...Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne.
Yea, Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne, both Righteousness and Judgment are implicit in the Word. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
Who are the 24 elders sat on 24 thrones- Revelation 4:4 combined with Revelation 11:16-17?
They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned. In fact, GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament.
Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:4.
They are the 24 messengers of the Word,the Word is GOD,beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth-Rev.4:6.
What are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth?
Now let me explain where you have gone wrong in your assumptions. You state the 24 elders are crowned. Is it for writing merely Old Testament?
You make it sounds mechanical. Is the Word cut piecemeal as a Meat packing company packs so many trucks to their retail outlets scattered about. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;" What holds all these is Jesus Christ the Word become flesh. There is only one testament:The slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. It was not shed half for Israel and the other half for the Gentiles. The slain Lamb in the mind of God in due time was presented before the world as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Israel rejected him. For those who received him in the times God has reserved the Throne of God and of the Lamb. Without shedding of the blood there is no redemption.
Re.5 tells us one clue: the elders are already in the know who is worthy to receive the book bound with seven seals. "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."(5:5)
second clue: "four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."(5:8) I do not think Hosea (I suppose you were named after him) was playing harp let alone second fiddle as these elder are doing. Prayers of saints they bear as the body God has set as memorial and not to answer them as some apostate churches teach. They are not go between man and God. instead God's surety that He rewards faith of man.
"They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned. In fact, GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament
To end the discussion, I'm glad you have repeated what I said and listed in my post. i.e. ''GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament, and 'They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned''. Yes, I work with the Word of GOD- Hebrews 4:12-13.
In the other hand, you said me I'm wrong and I do suppositions because I stated who are the 24 elders that are crowned, and you asked: ''is it for writing merely Old Testament?'' Now, now, the OT is NOT mere writings as you say, no, absolutely no, it is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD is Spirit, self-executing, understand? The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, not a MERELY writings as you have posted. Fear GOD.
No, 'I don't also make it sounds mechanical' as you said in your reply, your peculiar verbiage in the second, and third and fourth paragraph only sounds like metal, like mere tinkling bells, nothing more than a comment without form and void. Fear GOD- Matthew 10:28.
You apparently left out Enoch from your list of 24 elders." And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,/ To execute judgment upon all,"(Jude vv.14-15)
Enoch is not one of the crowned 24 elders enthroned around GOD's Throne,no absolutely.
I work with the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing,understand?
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness: That the man of GOD may be perfect,thoroughly furnished unto all good works- 2Timothy 3:16-17.
Furthermore,the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils- 1Timothy 4.
The content of your prior posts is the LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD saying: 2Timothy 4:3-4-->3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but...shall they heap to themselves teachers,having itching ears;4And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth,and shall be turned unto fables.
Peter Apostle in his universal epistle also said that they have not followed cunningly devised fables(as thou are doing here among us or even elsewhere.Thou are sowing tares here,unfortunately,you know that the tares will be burned with everlasting fire).
And JESUS said:Jo.16:13-15
13Howbeit when he,the Spirit of Truth,is come,he will guide you into all Truth:for he shall not speak of himself;but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak:and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me:for he shall receive of mine,and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine:therefore said I,that he shall take of mine,and shall shew it unto you.
2Pe.1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy;whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,until the Day dawn,and the Day star arise in your hearts: -Amen-
20Knowing this first,that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:but holy men of GOD spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
You work with the word of God. Well and Good. I work with what I can and I hope from evidences that the Spirit has scattered all across the scripture what I speak is in agreement; and it is God who rewards so I will leave at that.
As I affirmed in prior post, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, the Word is from everlasting to everlasting, understand?
And you said to me in your reply, it is 'Well and Good' to work with the Word of GOD as I do. This is the reason by which in the list of the 24 elders that I have posted, Enoch is not one of them. So, I told you Enoch is NOT one of the twenty four elders.
The wisdom of GOD is in mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which He ordained before the world unto the glory of the true believers, as is written in 1Corinthians 2:9-10
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him. But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.
In the other hand, you said you 'work with what you can', and regarding what you have sowed here saying Enoch is one of the 24 elders,it's not true. You are working with devilish LITERATURES of the Jews, you are working with esoteric, kabbalistic and spiritist trash about Enoch spread mainly through Internet by devilish messengers of the father of the Jews- John 8:44.HOW CAN YOU BELEIVE IN THEM?INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
No surprise THE EXISTENCE of devilish lieteratures of Enoch,the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Jews also invented 10 fictitious names for my GOD Father,and printed them in the Old Testament(Tanack) as:YHWH,Yahweh,Jehovah,HaShem,Adonai, Yehovah,Elohim,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah(fictitious NAMES of GOD or NICKNAMES)that will be burned with everlasting fire from now on.
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing. Hebrews 4:12-13. Take a look.
Be careful or else get ready,GOD is a consuming/devouring fire.
Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the Day shall declare it,because it shall be revealed by fire;and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
I suggested Enoch in an indirect way to make you rethink. If you are sure you work with the word it is well and good. If it is with the word of God neither you or I can guarantee. God looks at motives and not. It seems to me that you cannot see reason so let us stop right away.
My understanding of these 24 elders are as follows:
The four beasts and the elders are memorial set by God, so they do not represent anything than what they say in v.11. They were created 'for thy pleasure.'
Secondly they are led by the four beasts, another memorial to the glory of God. This is with regards to His creation. Both together serves as the memorial for 'the body thou hast prepared me.' It is the Son who is telling before the visible world was made to appear.(He.11:3) In his son means the beasts and the elders serve as witness.
The body is for fulfilling the Gospel of God. "Lo I have come to do thy will."
The word became flesh and preached everlasting gospel, in heaven on earth and when he died he in Spirit preached those souls in prison, the Old Testament saints who did not get a chance to hear him. The command number Three refers the Son in heaven. 3X8=24
Why eight? Refer Ec.11:1-2 "Give a portion to seven, and also to eight;" Seven is perfection and eight refers to below the earth.
Now for the text:
Re.4:9-11
And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
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