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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 228877

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Prayer me - 5 months ago
    Hello as a new convert to the King James Bible i find myself absoulety overwhelmed.After much effort i find myself somewhat lost. To this end in disppear i find myself here and asking the very real question were do i start and how do i properly read the bible to do the bible justice and myself justice.I have a very real lack of understanding which leads me to panic and fear.This is causing great anguish in me and i need some advice on how to procede and to do my self and the King James Bible justice.Any advice will be graciously accepted.I have an active account with KJV.

    Thankyou.Michael Worters.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi RedLady.

    You stated; "all teachins have both a heavenly & literal meanin..

    Ok, Here is what I said,

    "We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning, UNLESS the passage is obviously intended to be symbolic or if figures of speech are employed.

    I don't understand why you feel there is a disagreement so I won't get into that.

    You stated; "

    biggest problem is the bible has been so altered & butchered no one knows the truth"

    Do you believe that what was supposedly excluded from the Bible was all important?

    Do you believe what is written must be absolute truth and the truth is vital for our salvation?

    Do you believe God's word is important to him?

    Do you believe there is any other way to know God outside his Word?

    Do you believe God is omniscience?

    Do you believe God is omnipotent?

    If you answered yes to these last two questions then how can a worm such as humans thwart his all important message to those he loves by contaminating his word?

    I think much more of him than that and he expects us to.

    That's an insult to who he is!

    Isaiah 40:6-8. "The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: BUT THE WORD OF OUR GOD SHALL STAND FOR EVER.

    1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

    But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

    I hold that to be truth.

    Did God have to write to Moses and the Prophets?

    G has no problem getting out his word, he made Balaam's donkey speak.

    He can make a rock sing out.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi again Michael.

    Allow me to share an article with you on Biblical hermeneutics.

    Biblical hermeneutics is the study of the principles and methods of interpreting the text of the Bible. Second Timothy 2:15 commands believers to be involved in hermeneutics; "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who correctly handles the word of truth.

    The most important law of biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally. We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning, unless the passage is obviously intended to be symbolic or if figures of speech are employed. The Bible says what it means and means what it says. For example, when Jesus speaks of having fed "the five thousand" in Mark 8:19, the law of hermeneutics says we should understand five thousand literally-there was a crowd of hungry people that numbered five thousand who were fed with real bread and fish by a miracle-working Savior.

    Any attempt to "spiritualize" the number or to deny a literal miracle is to do injustice to the text and ignore the purpose of language, which is to communicate. Some interpreters make the mistake of trying to read between the lines of Scripture to come up with esoteric meanings that are not truly in the text, as if every passage has a hidden spiritual truth that we should seek to decrypt.

    Avoid this type of teaching!

    A second crucial law of biblical hermeneutics is that passages must be interpreted historically, grammatically, and contextually. Interpreting a passage historically means we must seek to understand the culture, background, and situation that prompted the text.

    A third law of biblical hermeneutics is that Scripture is always the best interpreter of Scripture.

    We always compare Scripture with Scripture when trying to determine the meaning of a passage.

    The purpose of biblical hermeneutics is to protect us from misapplying Scripture.

    God bless.
  • Prayer me - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello good sir.I am gratefull for your advice and directions.It has helped me to calm down and actually see where i'm going now.I have been consumed with my Bible study and thoughts on myself and my behaviour.It is a weight that i bear with a smile.Because i feel better it holds me accountable to myself and the Lord Jesus Christ i feel somewhat excited about this.You mentioned Biblical Hermenutics.A word i had never ever heard of.In saying that a bunch of videos from the Seventh Day Adventist Church just appeared in my Youtube feed.I listen and learn THANKYOU.To add to this i started to wonder if the Adventists were Users of the King James Bible.It follows that i was listening to an Adventist Women give a sermon and the first thing she said was i will just open my King James Bible and we will start.Question answered.Funny that!!.Saved me from asking the nice lady at an Adventist book shop where i had ordered a copy of Adventist Hermenutics for my reference.Might of embarresed my self and her.Again thank you very much.May God be with you.Michael.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello Michael,

    Hermeneutics is the formal word used for the method used to interpret the Scriptures.
  • Prayer me - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello again Gigi.

    I am more than gratefull for your patience with me.Thankyou.Your advice and guidence has expanded and taught me much already.I understand that this is a journey that never ends.Not a race to the finish.I have a large volume of reading and learning ahead.I tend to see this with excitement.Dont ask me to explain this because i can't.But in saying that i do know.A juxtaposition i know.Thankyou again Gigi.May God be with you.

    Michael.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Michael.

    The Sabbath day is the only commandment that the Seventh-day Adventists put great emphasis on.

    The question is, do they tie it to salvation in any way.

    Some seems to do so but indirectly.

    But why just that commandment and not the rest? Again, James said "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    One would have to go to a Seventh-day Adventists church and ask them can you join their church and not hold to that doctrine.

    Why the law was given in the old testament and its purpose is an whole study of its own with great importance.

    This is why I recommend reading the Torah in your particular case, followed by the Gospels and on to Galatians. Then go to acts and sweep the rest of the New Testament. (Do this without commentary help if you can.)

    Find the best time to read and develop a program that suits you in terms of how much you are going to read.

    Focus but don't get discouraged if you can't grasp everything at once. No one can! Read on, perhaps answers lay ahead.

    Then start over again from Genesis to Revelation.

    I say this because of what you have shared in all your posts previously.

    God bless you.
  • Prayer me - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello S Spencer again.

    Thankyou for your patience and guidence.This is sincerly appreciated and taken to heart.You have greatly expanded my experiance and journey.I have some distance to travel now and i feel excited about this.Thankyou.I feel i must stay intouch with you and Dear Gigi you are a comfort to me that i do not want to leave behind.Through KJV i will be intouch with you both again thankyou both.

    Michael.May God be with you both.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    You're welcome Michael.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Michael.

    Thanks for responding.

    I'm glad you are able to have some relief and comfort.

    Seventh-day Adventists is a denomination that differ in a few areas than most other denominations, the most notable is the Sabbath day.

    Example.

    They are distinguished by their observance of Saturday/Sabbath "Day"

    The commandment for the Sabbath is found in Exodus 20"8-11.

    Notice here in Exodus 31:13-18.

    who it was written to.

    "Speak thou also unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout YOUR GENERATIONS; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

    Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

    Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

    Wherefore the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

    If we're applying sound hermeneutics we must consider who this is written to and coordinate this with other scriptures.

    Example.

    James 2:10. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    Also, Colossians 2:16-17.

    "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    See part 2.
  • RedLady - In Reply - 5 months ago
    So u r sayingl when god says do not build yur house upon the sand he means do not build on oceans lakes & rivers where every christian is buyin up all they can?

    that jesus's bride is a literal person to? maybe mary magdalene his beloved & goddess of wisdom sophia that the roman empire that killed jesus butchered from the bible should b placed back n it bcz she is a literal person?

    biggest problem is the bible has been so altered & butchered no one knows the truth of anything & winners n any war write the history bks & make up the rules. its literal here but not there... no question the bk got butchered bcz the bible itself reflects it & has 66bks left n it & over 120 found & n existence & claim to b part of it. a very deceptive bk now & lack of truth to anything no matter how u look at it.

    u now have a library full of altered bibles created by men to better fit some man or branches opinion. should b one bible with gods words only & not a buffet of bibles full of mens words u can pick from.

    read rev 22:26-21 the warning the bride gives u when signin the bible off. read mat 23 bcz all rome did was change the word rabbi to father preacher pastor & minister & synagogue to church to decieve u & read jesus's opinion of yur scribes leaders & pharisees that follow them. ministers r not rabbbis n conduct.

    from the butchered book of remembrance of enoch tablet of seth 3:61 "and the lord said that all the religions of the world would issue forth from these two stones for there is save two religions only. one is drawn to the light of truth & the other loves violence & darkness & all the righteous need to give diligent heed & the lord said look & see with me how all of this began..."

    all teachins have both a heavenly & literal meanin & christians have a inability to grasp anything but literal & only where it serves them the heavenly. one need only look at the bible & the history of christianity & its conduct for 2,000 yrs to see which religion it is. keep it simple.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Spenser,

    You write: "The most important law of biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally. We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning," Where did you learn that from, I wonder.

    Unless it is given from above a man cannot benefit from God a Spirit. You seem to fit with the description of Isaiah " But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken./ Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem." (Is.28:13-14). Blind leading the blind is a risky business. Jesus calls them, "Woe unto you, ye blind guides." Why Israel fell off? " Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!/ Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!."(Is.5:20-21)
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Bennymkje.

    Thanks for responding but no thanks.

    Bennymkje I never have read your post besides that one I questioned you about. for a short exchange.

    After that only the ones directly pulled from my email.

    So sorry for the delayed response.

    I'm sorry but I don't believe in nothing you stated.

    Aa I said before it is nearly impossible for us to come to any agreement considering the way you handle scripture.

    This will be the last reply of yours I read being that you have more insults than Scriptural knowledge.

    I will continue on with my posting on Israel and hermeneutics.

    I'd that upsets you you might want to bypass them.

    I have been on and off this topic for years and many here can vouch for that.

    God bless.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Spenser,

    As I mentioned before you are free to believe or not what I set down in this discussion forum. We hold different views so leave it that.

    With joy and peace in Him,
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello Prayer me,

    I am thankful you have been brought ot Jesus by the Father and the Holy Spirit. Welcome to the family of fellow believers.

    I suggest that you begin with the gospel of John in the New Testament and then proceed to read the other gospels of Matthe, .Mark and Luke. then move on to the book of Acts written by Luke, who was assisted the apostle Paul in the work of spreading the Gospel and teaching in the churches.

    After reading these, I suggest reading the Epistles beginning with Romans and reading through Jude.

    From there I suggest that you read Genesis.

    Then you can read the Old Testament from Exodus through 2 Samuel, Psalms.

    After that, read the prophet Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel.

    Then the remainder of the prophets.

    The most important thing for any believer is to get to know who Jesus was as presented in the Gospels and what He also said about the Father, from whom He came to earth to save us. And to know God's character in the Old Testament and New Testament.

    It may help to keep a journal of how God describes Himself in both Testaments.

    I pick up small spiral notebooks from the Dollar Tree and give a title to each one: God is Creator, God is the only God, God is loving, God is Powerful, etc. That way you can be able to enter Bible verses that speak to the attribute that describes an aspect of God's character and Being according to categories.

    This would be helpful to you for a long time. to come as you continue to add to these journals the Scriptures that help us to know God, not just factually, but also in how our relationship with Him is deepened and increasing in intimacy the more we discover about Him for the rest of our lives here and into the eternal life to come.

    But please remember that when reading the Bible, it is important to read the context around the entry that you enter into the your journals because context will further expand your understanding of what is being said about God (Father, Son (Jesus), and Spirit
  • Prayer me - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello GiGi!! Please read my reply to S Spencer above.I thankyou for taking the time to reply to me it has help me greatly.My reply to him is meant for you too.I am following your direction and am a lot more settled.I have direction now.Again thankyou.May God be with you.Michael.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello again Michael,

    I had written a reply but it somehow got lost so I will write it again.

    I am so glad you have been helped in your reading and learning of Scripture.

    When I was a young girl I read the Gospels again and again because I loved reading about my Savior. By the time I was 12 I had read the Epistles several times. I was helped in understanding what it means to be a believer and how to follow after Jesus better.

    As I grew to maturity I read more of the OT. I loved Psalms.

    Reading the Scriptures has been part of my lifestyle for 60 years. As a result, many times in conversations or interactions a verse will come to mind that applies to the circumstance and I will go to the Bible to find it and read the chapter it is in. The Holy Spirit causes this to occur, so hiding the Word in your heart by reading it regularly is good practice and is one of the ways the Holy Spirit guides us in our day to day life.

    I hope and pray that you will grow in leaps and bounds in your knowledge of God and the riches and joy we receive from Him.

    What a wonderful Savior He is!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi.

    I agree with Jaz, You dont have to go into these collection of 66 books with understanding.

    You go into these books with faith and searching for the truth.

    It's God who reveals truth and opens up understanding.

    So, you should relax and wait on God and pray for understanding as you go.

    Read it for yourself and stay with a program.

    Things will come together as read, you may not find the answer in the particular book you are reading but a may be revealed in another book.

    As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Peter 2:2.

    Get a good strongs concordance.

    The 1st 5 books in the old testament and then the Gospels is probably a good start as Jaz said.

    I would go into these books asking in prayer for guidance, (AND BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL GRANT IT)

    Go into these books with CONFIDENCE IN GOD AS A LOVING FATHER READY TO TEACH.

    Just know that understanding often comes later so don't loose faith.

    If you decide to ask Questions, it's important to be as the berean in Acts 17:11 "they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    Use proper hermeneutics as you grow.

    I will explain that later.

    God bless.
  • Jaz - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Dear Michael , the first bit of advice I would give you is to relax ! Learning the Truth should be a joy and a pleasure not a terror and a chore ! You will hopefully be reading the Bible every day for the rest of your life so approach it as you would approach your wisest best friend .

    I would definitely start in the Old Testament with the first five books , those penned by Moses . I would continue with the Old , in the order they appear but , after the first five you could go to the New and read the four Gospels . I wouldn't but you could . I would just keep reading from Genesis to Revelation and do that maybe the first ten times you read it . Once you feel some familiarity you can pick and choose a bit . I have devised my own reading plan which means I read the whole Bible ( the four Gospels I read twice ) in one year . As long as you read every book , Old as well as New , you are doing fine . Don't forget to pray every day and give God thanks for all the good things in your life . Don't expect to understand everything first or second or even third time around , this is a life long friendship you are getting into . Things will be revealed as you put in the time and effort . Decide how many chapters a day you are going to read and stick to that at least the first few times you read it , some days I only read one but I've been reading it for a very long time now . When I first started I stuck to five chapters a day . Read too much and you can get overwhelmed , too little and you are left hungry . You know how much time you have and pick a time and place when you can have a bit of peace . I can't sleep unless I've read at least one chapter . Enjoy your New Best Friend !



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