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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 229365

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  • MostUnknown - 7 months ago
    Why do we feel the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit on others certain times and not other times
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi.

    There's many reasons why we can feel a void in the Spirit moving in our lives.

    Sometimes it's chastening or just being out of the will of God.

    Other times it could be a wavering of our faith.

    And then it can be pruning for Spiritual growth.

    Sometimes God's presence is not clear or obvious to the human eye.

    That's one reason why we are called to "live by faith, not by sight.

    2 Corinthians 5:7.

    The Holyspirit causes us to trust in God's promises such as Hebrews 13:5-6.

    "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

    So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me".

    King David had to deal with Chastening and Correction in his reign as King.

    But David knew God and trusted God and believed in his promises and mercy.

    You see it evident in his Psalms 71:1-24 prayer.

    Especially verses "20-21.Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

    Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side.

    We are to bare fruit. We are expected to.

    John 15:7-8.

    If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

    Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

    There's things that hinder us.

    "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

    Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

    Hebrews. 12:1-3..

    GB
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Addendum

    My point that I didn't make is that not sensing a powerful move of the Spirit doesn't indicate necessarily that something is wrong with our walk. There can be evil influences that are in the way we aren't aware of. Also God can be testing us to see if we have a deep root and trust that when it is truly needed He will show up. It is sad; maybe reflecting my own poor walk in faith that a lot of times we think we are genuinely seeking the Spirit to move when for some reason it isn't His will at the time. Oftentimes if it isn't sin of commission; it could be omission; or not trusting God that He will see things through when circumstances look bleak. That was something I was studying the other day in small group; the Judges 4 passage where Deborah has to convince Barak to get into battle mode. Other people's sin can also be an issue; such as when Joshua lost a battle after Jericho was destroyed because Israel had sinned and taken items that were cursed and specifically warned against. The collateral damage affects everyone. Again; that is why we have to be careful who we fellowship with.

    If we ask the Lord He usually provides someone else to minister to us in our time of need. This happened for me on one occasion when I was basically homeless for a few weeks (a friend let me stay in a run down place). I had a few random people give me advice. Usually we need to abandon our concepts of what we think our needs are and pay attention to what He shows us instead.

    Again hope that helps. Be blessed.

    Agape. Rich P
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hope you don't mind me barging in attempting to answer your question. It is something that has mystified me over the years.

    Getting over the preliminaries; that is making sure that we aren't living in unconfessed sin and grieving the Spirit; and that we truly ARE sensing the Spirit and not some other influence I will post several ideas.

    First off; there are individuals going through struggles within the Body of Christ who we may never have met that the Lord wants to intercede for. Whatever a battle is going on in the spiritual dimension we are all involved as soldiers of Christ as I see it. Romans 12:15 says to rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn for those who mourn. There are often demons who are going after us as well as our loved ones or again; those who may be nearby who are also fighting some of the same evil forces.

    We realize that only in Christ did the Spirit work without measure ( John 3:34). This did NOT mean for Him that He didn't have to endure suffering and a feeling of abandonment at the crucifixion but no doubt other occasions; just as Paul also felt many had abandoned Him. He had the exceedingly great revelation ( 2 Corinthians 12:2) but nonetheless had the thorn in his flesh afterwards to keep him relying on the Lord for His strength (verse 7 in same chapter).

    It is prayer which helps us to garner our strength; and therefore equip us for the battle. This key element the enemy will do all he can to thwart as there is nothing he can't stand like the Spirit truly moving in a local body of believers.

    There are people who are living in a lifestyle of sin who can also quell the Spirit. There are also warnings about not having hands laid on hastily as someone could be operating in a different spirit ( 1 Timothy 5:22).

    It is indeed mysterious how these things operate; but if we learn to discern His voice and have long term obedience producing good fruit we will have these experiences more frequently. Hope that helps...
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    My guess is that unlike Jesus , who received the Spirit of Truth without measure , we do not receive it without measure . We are not exactly like Jesus , we were conceived by the usual physical method . Jesus was conceived by Mary through the power of God's Will . We see from Genesis that God only has to speak something into existence and it exists . We were first born of the flesh through the operation of human desire , then afterwards are we born of God's Holy Spirit when we learn and accept the Truth into our hearts through Christ our Sinless Redeemer .



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