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Quote "So Jesus is the Son, not God himself. Jesus said “The Son is not greater than the Father” which doesn’t support the Trinitarian belief that they are the same and equal. In verse 14, John calls Jesus the only begotten. Begotten is a term used in the Bible when referring to offspring, something or someone created. God has no beginning or a creator so Jesus having been created cannot be God. He is the only begotten because he was Gods first direct creation and all other things God made through Jesus."
A very good point actually. I believe the exact quote from the KJV to be :-
John 14
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Certainly this is one of the defences that Arius used to defend himself against his Trinitarian persecutors in the 4th Century.
One thing that puzzles me about John though, is it's anti-Semitic tone in chapters 18 and 19. Why are there so many hostile and frankly impertinent references to 'the Jews'? I count 16 altogether!
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A very good point actually. I believe the exact quote from the KJV to be :-
John 14
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Certainly this is one of the defences that Arius used to defend himself against his Trinitarian persecutors in the 4th Century.
One thing that puzzles me about John though, is it's anti-Semitic tone in chapters 18 and 19. Why are there so many hostile and frankly impertinent references to 'the Jews'? I count 16 altogether!
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