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Many sections of the Bible are beautiful to read & take in. This chapter is one of them.Everything has a season. Love & peace ,hate & war.It can be the best of times or the worst of times, our God will see us through. He is with us ALWAYS ! He can rejoice with us & He can console us ! Blessings to all
It appears so Denny, that the word "eternity" would better fit & indeed, is directly translated from the Hebrew ('olam'): long duration, antiquity, ages.
Yet, when I think further on this verse & why the translators chose to use the word, 'world', I sense that consideration was given to the preceeding verses (i.e. vv 1-10), of the endless aspects & experiences of life, both good & bad. That God "hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."
This might possibly indicate that man is not only confined to the endless cycle of life's encounters (as part of being in the 'world'), but also signifying the hunger & anticipation also arising in our hearts: that God having planned something better for us, a break from this cycle, when we might learn the reason for our confinement to these limitations & why God had chosen not to reveal all His Secrets to us. Our sin no doubt played a major part in what we experience now & the withholding of what ought to have been given to us for our full enjoyment.
Of course, now being in Christ & by His Coming to Earth, the miracle of rebirth, the bringing together of Jew & Gentile into one Body, the power to live beyond our circumstances, & the glories of eternity, are now the joyful possession & anticipation of those found in the Beloved. Indeed, God has "made everything beautiful in His Time", & only after time as we know it, ends, will we know the fulness of that beauty reserved for His children.
Thank you for that great question brother, which should prompt us to ponder further with the Spirit's Help, to give us more knowledge & joy in anticipation.
Hiya Denny GM....Read Ezekiel 36 : 23 thru 31 .....I will give them a new heart and a new spirit etc....The Original Text cd not be better then this....Happy Reading Denny
Anyone know why Ecclesiastes 3:11 translates to "...also he hath set the 'world' in their heart,..." while other translations translates to "...also he hath set 'eternity' in their heart,..." which makes better sense. I mean, this chapter is about ability of humans to comprehend eternity, our existence is the middle of creation and our ability to reason and recognize good and evil compared to other animals on this planet.
I would love to know what's in the original text and how it got translation into this banal meaning in KJV.
This is the yin/yang. The point is that everything is good in the right season, even death and war. All things must have a polar opposite to exist. We place our values on what is good and what is evil. But there can be no absolute rules because every thing is good and beautiful in the appropriate season. To pull up a plant is evil until it is ready to be harvested. Then it is good. See? This chapter also tells us that time does not exist but God gave us the sense of time adding to allow us to experience every part of His creation. It's a big video game. He programmed a reaction to every move you might make. But it's all pre-written since time began. This chapter confirms this fact.
This is what I feel both intellectually and intuitively: I believe that all higher animals, at least those that share the beginnings of the qualities that differentiate us from the animal world, have a soul. A soul, but not an individual spirit. There are millions that die every day, the light of their souls switching off, as their bodies return to dust. However, there are some that live on in the memories of the humans that they connected with; some that have an attachment that clings to the eternal spirit of the human. This animal's soul will live vicariously within the spirit of the one who finds salvation in Christ. So yes, they will be with you in heaven.
As far as the animals are concerned if we observe them, even the plants and Fish, birds that fall (sparrows) their designs seam to be patterned after us inasmuch as they are either males or females, plants, creatures, not sure about amebas or germ, or viruses???Because of the dark ages in the Western Hemisphere some common sense things JESUS taught were lost?!?! "All" the thousands of years old religions teach that "AS THEY ARE WE ONCE WERE, AS WE ARE THEY ARE EVOLVING TO"?!?!?! They seam to be in the loop of GOD'S creations?!?!?!?! I like to think that ADAM had a really good relationship with ALL GOD'S creatures before the fall from the Garden Of EDEN seemly left us with permission to mistreat them!?!? Maybe JESUS will make repairs in the BREACH we have with Common Sense?!?!?!
Isaiah was put in a hollow log and summarily sawed into with a wooden saw. Thus he died as a Martyr!!!! Sealing his testimony of our SAVIOR with his BLOOD!!!!
Wanting to give my thoughts to the question you have. I believe yes animals do have a soul. But they do not have a spirit as us humans do. As we all know different animals can have different personalities and uniqueness. Even thou the same type of animal. Showing they do have attributes to a soul. Although as us humans being made "in the image of God" have a spirit which is unique to humans over any other animal. Although I believe God is in everything living, even His trees, they do not have the "spirit" we have been Blessed with. One attribute being our link to our Father in Heaven through the Holy Spirit. Having received from Christ.
My belief on your question. God Bless you brother.
Israel has found almost ALL of the original. Scrolls. They're locked up of course.
You can see them by googling or 700 club has videos of it.
Comparing the KJV Bible to other versions. King James of England spared no effort to get a Bible into "the little" lay people who did not have Bibles.
People, priests were burned at the stake for smuggling a page of scripture so everyone could read it.
We are so spoiled. Anyone can walk into a Goodwill Store and find a Christian KJV Bible. Careful not to get a Jehovah Witnesses Bible or even a R.C. Bible. KJV's are getting harder to find.
It's simply because they want to mislead people from the truth. That's why they made a lot of versions. If you are searching and looking for the truth about God or the real God you must read the King James version because its 99.9 % accurate from the original version. It was proven when the scroll of Isiah was found in the dead sea and when they checked it from the King James version it was 99.9 % accurate and this KJV is really infallible. That's why the reason is simply to misinformed or deceived people or drive people away from the truth.
I think if everyone wants to be more enlightened search if it is really true about the scroll of Isiah.
Joe, very true that we must heed the words of warning in Rev 22:19. Though I wrote that because I would rather people read from a version of the Bible that they can understand than just wander through aimlessly in a version that is written in a language that they cannot properly comprehend. If one takes the time to research those words or verses that are difficult, then yes, do read from the KJV with understanding. But most readers won't make that effort & so the Bible becomes a difficult & tedious book to read resulting in eventually not reading it all. It's a case of what is important. I know both the correct version & reading with understanding is both important, however some people have to choose between them.
Here is the explanation, men thinking they know better than God, changed His word to fit there understanding, desires, or sin. Here is another explanation, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin," they didn't have faith in Gods word, so they changed it. The sin they are doing is of the serpent, that wicked one, "Yeah, hath God said?".
Pursuing the Word of God With All Your Strength - In Reply on Ecclesiastes 3 - 4 years ago
I'm in my 60's too. Born again in 1985.
My first Bible was a Living Bible which was so severely marked up after a year, I got a KJV on the 2nd Bible. I'm on my 8th Bible now (KJV).
Best advise: google has Bible Commentaries you can read. Type in your scripture like this:
" John 16:8 Commentary"
Several commentaries will pop up. Matthew Henry is reliable. Usually the first 5 are most reliable.
I love studying. In some places you'll see verses repeated a couple of chapter forward; like in Genesis.
If you'll get a KJV with center of each page, reference columns, it's a huge help in studying. The tiny abc's imbedded in the scripture correspond to the center column: that will add other books and scriptures that give more light to what you are reading.
I learn faster by reading 2-3 books at a time. It flows better. Make notes in pencil to go backward to a verse; or forward.
When your Bible is all marked up, it's time to get a new one so the Lord can show you even more light and revelation on scriptures. You'll see how much you are growing and learning.
Always ask the Holy Spirit to help you see the truth and the mysteries.
If you see someone struggling to put it all together as we did, once: you are approved to help them. "Study to show yourself approved (by the Lord), a workman that need not be ashamed."
We need you in here to help those who are new to this :)
In man's attempt to present new Bible versions in contemporary English & style, they have also appealed to 'old' manuscripts that have not wholly been faithful to the true Words of God. Not to say that these other versions are altogether in error, but the many changes, inclusions & omissions should alert us to maintaining constant vigilance in this area. I would also include the Apocryphal writings as well - these too are riddled with errors, that to me, make any use of them, worthless & futile. Though many Christians are ill-informed about these things & so they continue on in blissful ignorance & not knowing the full Truth. But the bottom line is this: should one read from another 'acceptable' version so that they can understand what they read, or read from the KJV that is difficult to comprehend because of its wording & style?
This is a good question. We begin to understand by reading the book of Revelations, the types of things that will befall those who love God in the end-times, which all be for God's glory.
Matthew 24 is an excellent example of what to expect.
Read Jeremiah 5:31. The wicked deceive the people of God, and God's people love the have it so.
In summary there is nothing sacred, nothing which Satan will not pollute and corrupt. People prefer to have a bible and God that conforms to their own wants, and desires. And they have corrupted versions of God's word to fulfill these desires.
I have always read from the KJV my whole life. I am in my 60's. I do not understand the reason for all of these new versions. Help me to understand why would anyone rewrite the KJV of the Bible? Please help me to understand. Thank you, Connie Wallace
As you may have read other portions of this Book, Solomon speaks largely of the seemingly aimless cycles of life & its paradoxes. And one of those issues that might cause us to despair is the similar condition we have to those of animals.
As far as the flesh is concerned, man is no better than they. With all our intelligence, abilities to calculate & forecast, as well as our moral & spiritual dimensions, we still are no better than animals when we die: our bodies return to the dust - we are equal in that sense.
But 'the spirit of man goes upwards & the spirit of the beast goes downward to the Earth' (v21). Our spirits are accountable to our Creator for what we have done in this life (& specifically to God's call upon us), whereas the animal's spirit (that gave it life) perishes with it into the Earth. There is no indication here or anywhere else, that the end of man's life is simply a disappearance or annihilation from an earthly existence. Our spirits are indestructible & accountable, unlike the animal's. That's how I understand this portion.
in Reply on Ecclesiastes 3:3 Don't be a fool- the bible gives you a right to defend yourself. Genesis 9:5-6
5And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Not knowing why this was posted here. In the past the same mentality was in my head. Purchasing firearms and whatnot. Although after receiving Christ I will never take the life of another human willingly. Even if they have come to murder me for some reason. I will be the victim. To not have the blood of anyone else on my hands.
Jesus Christ is our perfect example to follow. What did He do when they came to arrest Him to put Him to death? He knowing what was to come.
Put on love and trust in our Perfect Father. God Bless you all my brothers and sisters.
Yet, when I think further on this verse & why the translators chose to use the word, 'world', I sense that consideration was given to the preceeding verses (i.e. vv 1-10), of the endless aspects & experiences of life, both good & bad. That God "hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."
This might possibly indicate that man is not only confined to the endless cycle of life's encounters (as part of being in the 'world'), but also signifying the hunger & anticipation also arising in our hearts: that God having planned something better for us, a break from this cycle, when we might learn the reason for our confinement to these limitations & why God had chosen not to reveal all His Secrets to us. Our sin no doubt played a major part in what we experience now & the withholding of what ought to have been given to us for our full enjoyment.
Of course, now being in Christ & by His Coming to Earth, the miracle of rebirth, the bringing together of Jew & Gentile into one Body, the power to live beyond our circumstances, & the glories of eternity, are now the joyful possession & anticipation of those found in the Beloved. Indeed, God has "made everything beautiful in His Time", & only after time as we know it, ends, will we know the fulness of that beauty reserved for His children.
Thank you for that great question brother, which should prompt us to ponder further with the Spirit's Help, to give us more knowledge & joy in anticipation.
I would love to know what's in the original text and how it got translation into this banal meaning in KJV.
Wanting to give my thoughts to the question you have. I believe yes animals do have a soul. But they do not have a spirit as us humans do. As we all know different animals can have different personalities and uniqueness. Even thou the same type of animal. Showing they do have attributes to a soul. Although as us humans being made "in the image of God" have a spirit which is unique to humans over any other animal. Although I believe God is in everything living, even His trees, they do not have the "spirit" we have been Blessed with. One attribute being our link to our Father in Heaven through the Holy Spirit. Having received from Christ.
My belief on your question. God Bless you brother.
You can see them by googling or 700 club has videos of it.
Comparing the KJV Bible to other versions. King James of England spared no effort to get a Bible into "the little" lay people who did not have Bibles.
People, priests were burned at the stake for smuggling a page of scripture so everyone could read it.
We are so spoiled. Anyone can walk into a Goodwill Store and find a Christian KJV Bible. Careful not to get a Jehovah Witnesses Bible or even a R.C. Bible. KJV's are getting harder to find.
I think if everyone wants to be more enlightened search if it is really true about the scroll of Isiah.
My first Bible was a Living Bible which was so severely marked up after a year, I got a KJV on the 2nd Bible. I'm on my 8th Bible now (KJV).
Best advise: google has Bible Commentaries you can read. Type in your scripture like this:
" John 16:8 Commentary"
Several commentaries will pop up. Matthew Henry is reliable. Usually the first 5 are most reliable.
I love studying. In some places you'll see verses repeated a couple of chapter forward; like in Genesis.
If you'll get a KJV with center of each page, reference columns, it's a huge help in studying. The tiny abc's imbedded in the scripture correspond to the center column: that will add other books and scriptures that give more light to what you are reading.
I learn faster by reading 2-3 books at a time. It flows better. Make notes in pencil to go backward to a verse; or forward.
When your Bible is all marked up, it's time to get a new one so the Lord can show you even more light and revelation on scriptures. You'll see how much you are growing and learning.
Always ask the Holy Spirit to help you see the truth and the mysteries.
If you see someone struggling to put it all together as we did, once: you are approved to help them. "Study to show yourself approved (by the Lord), a workman that need not be ashamed."
We need you in here to help those who are new to this :)
This is a good question. We begin to understand by reading the book of Revelations, the types of things that will befall those who love God in the end-times, which all be for God's glory.
Matthew 24 is an excellent example of what to expect.
Read Jeremiah 5:31. The wicked deceive the people of God, and God's people love the have it so.
In summary there is nothing sacred, nothing which Satan will not pollute and corrupt. People prefer to have a bible and God that conforms to their own wants, and desires. And they have corrupted versions of God's word to fulfill these desires.
As far as the flesh is concerned, man is no better than they. With all our intelligence, abilities to calculate & forecast, as well as our moral & spiritual dimensions, we still are no better than animals when we die: our bodies return to the dust - we are equal in that sense.
But 'the spirit of man goes upwards & the spirit of the beast goes downward to the Earth' (v21). Our spirits are accountable to our Creator for what we have done in this life (& specifically to God's call upon us), whereas the animal's spirit (that gave it life) perishes with it into the Earth. There is no indication here or anywhere else, that the end of man's life is simply a disappearance or annihilation from an earthly existence. Our spirits are indestructible & accountable, unlike the animal's. That's how I understand this portion.
5And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Jesus Christ is our perfect example to follow. What did He do when they came to arrest Him to put Him to death? He knowing what was to come.
Put on love and trust in our Perfect Father. God Bless you all my brothers and sisters.