Exodus Chapter 25 Discussion

GOD'S commitment to us is evidenced in the level of HIS relationship HE desires with us. HE continually guides and directs us for HIS glory and our benefit. My LORD is ever blessing and caring for us. HIS commitment is shown in sending HIS SON to be born and crucified for me and all sinners. HIS proof is HIS resurrection out of the grave, as so will I be in the future.

GOD bless everyone on this Christmas day, and to remember that we are called to know HIM not just a babe in the manger, but more so as the SAVIOR of sinful man.

May we read and follow the scriptures in order to fashion and allow ourselves to become useful tools or implements in GOD'S ministry.

LORD bless the peace in Jerusalem and the saints there, as we worship YOU in truth and in spirit.

Merry Christmas everyone. Isaiah 9:6; Luke 2: 11-14

The LORD to shine HIS face on you and bless you gloriously.

December 24, 2023

I believe they were used to 'snuff' out candles , they are still used today , it's a long thin handle and on the end of it is a small cone shape , like a small pointy hat . This just means that people don't have to blow candles out .

What were the snuff dishes for?

Thanks Gigi.

I'd like to say something about the oil filled lamp stand. It was beautiful and it gave light to the holy place, the place of worship. It was a shaft with 6 branches, three on each side. The shaft and the 3 sides held the lights and the stand represents our Lord Jesus Christ. He's in the midst of the candlesticks/branches. The light is the Holyspirit and shows the beauty of the lampstand our Lord.

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:14."

God bless.

Thanks, David

Another good observation!

Gigi. An interesting piece of information concerning the hallway to the holy

Of hollies their were three sections this will sound very familial the way the truth

And the life John 14: 6.

I will state that the Egyptians were spoiled; but sadly all the gold earrings were used with the golden calf before proper worship began and the tabernacle was built. Later on; of course the whole temple was built. All of these things of course are patterned after heaven; where it will be in the "sides of the north". That could be the part of the sky where heaven is located; and/or in heaven itself where God's throne is located.

There are some interesting concepts with Melchizedek and the fact that somehow true worship wasn't limited to those who were to be the descendants of Abraham; that is in the bloodline of the Jewish nation. This shows; when we study the origin of nations that indeed before pagan worship there was true worship at least in some places AFTER the flood. We can see something to the effect that the boundaries of the nations were divided as per the sons of Israel ( Deut 32:8).

I am going to say some very deep thoughts here. First off; we must consider carefully the image of the beast and his worship that will come. We must remember that Satan came from where he was walking in the midst of the stones of fire ( Ezekiel 28:14-16). The whole pattern; and ornate wealth will doubtless endow the Antichrist in the beginning of the Tribulation as the woman rides the beast in all her glory. (See Habukkuk 2:9-14; Daniel 11:39; Daniel 11:43). No doubt there will be an amalgamation of religions then of course later Antichrist destroys the woman for worship of himself. This shows why we should have no graven images of God. The mind of man cannot fathom these things; and sadly will fall for the man of sin in the Temple.

We shall indeed have things in heaven but also on earth to look forward to; restored and with Satan's influence at last restrained completely. Finally; the veil will be lifted off all nations ( Isaiah 25:7). I do believe in a Millennial Temple; although would think in eternity there will be no more death of animals.

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The Lampstand foreshadows Jesus as the true vine (central shaft) and the church as the branches who derive their life and fruitfulness from the vine as long as they remain attached to the vine. It represents the Tree of Life, that gives eternal life to those who eat of it (another foreshadowing of Jesus and the cross.

The fact that all of these items for this part of the tabernacle (the Most Holy Place and Holy of Holies) are all made of pure gold represents the divinity, pureness, and perfection of God. There is no amalgamated metal in these items-only gold is used. The gold also depicts the immense worth of God, being the most precious metal on earth. This also represents that the Most Holy Place and Holy of Holies are the realm of the Divine Presence-of which Jesus is worthy to enter and represent us, mediate for us, and pray to the Father for us. He brings us to the Father in Himself. We are united with Him and part of His body now, washed and re-created by the Holy Spirit. There is no outside light in these places, just the light of the Lampstand (Jesus-the true Light of the Universe).

The Scriptures say that the Father dwells in inapproachable light. We would not survive seeing Him. No one has seen the Father, except the eternal Son-Jesus-who is God and man in one Person forever-our perfect Savior, and the One Whom we will see face to face in heaven. Jesus is the Light of the World-we can look upon Him in heaven and still live. But I don't think that we will actually see the Father ever. We will always experience the Presence of God through the Spirit in this life and in Jesus in heaven.

This chapter is so full of pattern, symbol, representation, and foreshadowing, I think it would be hard to exhaust all of the meaning God designed into these items of the tabernacle. I can't wait to discover in heaven what the true reality these patterns and shadows represent in the tabernacle.

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The next item is the golden lampstand (literal meaning of menorah)-not candles, but lamps lit with olive oil. it was to be made of one singular piece of pure gold hammered into shape. The menorah is very intricately designed by YHWH and it would take some skill to create all of the ornamentation out of one piece of gold. It would have a shaft that has one single middle shaft with a lamp on the top and six branches coming out of each side with a lamp on top of each branch. The lampstand bowls are to be made to look like almond blossoms with an ornamental knob and flower for each bowl at the top of each20 years branch and center shaft. They are to be made of the one piece of gold that the whole menorah is to be made from. (I think of Jesus' seamless garment) Lamps are to be made for each bowl along with wick-trimmers and trays (all of pure gold. The lamps are to be fashioned to give light towards the front of it as it will illuminate the table of shewbread. The lampstand is made from one talent of gold (said to be equal to 20 years' worth of wages for one man).

The inside of the Most Holy Place would be dark since it had no windows. The lampstand illuminates the Most Holy Place where the table of shewbread and menorah are placed. The menorah may represent and foreshadow many things. The six arms from each side of the central shaft represent the 12 tribes of Israel (the whole nation) with the central shaft representing YHWH as their guide in the wilderness. The 7 lamps may represent the 7 days of creation or days of the week.

The 7 lamps may foreshadow the seven-fold Spirit of God who enlightens the church. It certainly foreshadows Christ as the Light of the World who gives light to every man. The light of the menorah may represent the light of the Truth of God, the brightness of God's holiness, and the grandeur of the glory of God, the Presence of God among His people.

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The gold of the cherubim needed to be heated and beaten to forge them into the shape of the cherubim. They are placed at the (side) ends of the cover with their wings outstretched above the top of the cover with their faces looking down upon this place on top (the Mercy Seat). How the angels desire to look into the mercy and grace of the gospel of Jesus!

These cherubim are to be forged onto the Mercy Seat so that it is all of one piece. YHWH promises to meet with and speak with Moses from upon the Mercy Seat. This tells me that the only way to commune with God is due to Him showing mercy to us. The Mercy Seat is the top of the Ark and covers the Testimony-Book of the Covenant-inside. The Mercy Seat-the Body of Christ-covers the transgressions of the Law that YHWH knows all people will disobey, yet the Law remains untouched, standing true fand good for all time. Some say that the ark represents the throne of God in heaven.

The next item for the tabernacle is the Table for the Shewbread (Bread of the Face or Presence). The table is also made of acacia wood with very specific dimensions, overlaid in pure gold with molding all around the edge. This, too, has four rings attached at the outside corners with wood overlaid in gold poles to go through the rings (and not to be removed). Table is to have a sturdy frame and four legs. Next, the utensils are to be made-pans, pitchers, and bowls-all of pure gold. On the table the shewbread is to always be on this table. The shewbread-unleavened-may be a reminder to the Israelites of the manna given to them in their desert years to sustain them and it also represents Jesus as the Bread of Life we are to eat and live. ( John 6), also, "Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." We are to feast on the Word, Jesus, ( John 1:1) who came from the Father, as well as the Scripture, that testify to Jesus from start to finish. We need to be nourished by Him continually.

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This request by YHWH challenges me to be more generous towards God than I have been and reminds me that there are some things in our lives that we should set apart for God's use, not matter how costly, dear to us, or rare. It challenges me to desire to give Him my best, what is valuable, and to be willing to sacrifice freely for His work and will.

YHWH goes on to explain that the tabernacle will be after the pattern that He will show Moses as well as each item will be after the pattern He gives. YHWH does not just say, "Make me a tabernacle and furnish it, both in the way that you see fit to design and make." No, He is very specific about every detail. I think this preciseness is important because of what they represent and what they will be a foreshadowing of when the Messiah comes. The tabernacle is not to be designed by or according to man's ideas, but God's.

YHWH begins first with the making of the furnishings, not the structure of the tabernacle. This may be significant, but I don't have any insights on this.

The first item to be made is the ark. (YHWH had given Noah specific instructions to make the ark before the flood.)

This ark was to be made of the acacia wood with specific dimensions for width, length, and height. The wood was to be overlaid in pure gold, inside and out. I have read that the ark is a representation of Jesus, wood being His humanity, and pure gold being His deity. It would have gold molding all around. There are to be cast rings on the outside of each corner. Two poles of acacia wood overlaid with gold are to be placed in the rings so that the ark can be carried. These poles are not to be removed.

The Testimony-Book of the Covenant- was to be placed within the ark. This may symbolize the perfect law of God fulfilled perfectly by the perfect Messiah.

Next to be made is the Mercy Seat cover. It, too, is to be made of acacia wood overlaid in pure gold. Two gold cherubim that are hammered into shape

Furniture

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This chapter describes the making of items for the tabernacle of meeting in fine detail. The directions are meticulous and exacting, representative of the absolute reality of each item's counterpart in heaven. These are said to be made after a pattern as well as a shadow of what is truly real.

The chapter begins with YHWH telling Moses to speak to the people, asking them to bring an offering to the YHWH voluntarily (God loves a cheerful giver) in a heartfelt way (worshipful). Then YHWH lists the items He asks the people to bring to Moses:

gold, silver, bronze

blue, purple, and scarlet fine linen

goat's hair, ram's skins (dyed red), badger skins

acacia wood, oil, spices

onyx, and various stones

YHWH reveals the purpose of these things offered is to make a tabernacle (sanctuary) (place of worship and meeting with YHWH) so that He may dwell among the Israelites.

YHWH is asking the people to bring to him costly things or rare things. Most of the metals were from the jewelry and items the Israelites received from the Egyptians just before fleeing the country. The dyed cloth was luxurious (not for everyday clothing). The hair and the skins from the animals involved slaying these creatures. Goats and rams they had as livestock, but badgers were wild (and fierce). The wood was from a tall tree with a rounded crown that grew in the wilderness, but sparsely, not as in forests. And the precious stones were also considered luxurious.

The items YHWH wanted made from these things required a large quantity of these things, so generosity was needed to supply all that was needed, even though the Israelites left Egypt in haste and not with ALL of their household goods. They probably didn't have a lot of excess of some of these things and most likely each served a good purpose for the people in their journey. They were to give sacrificially to YHWH, likely testing many of the Israelites since replenishing these things was unlikely in

this place.

Amos 2:1,

Tammy, I don't believe that it's a sin to want to be cremated or for another person to take that decision to do so to the deceased. At least, the Bible doesn't speak of it in those terms. The evidence of cremation is generally seen amongst the heathen, whether for their dead or as part of human sacrifice. Amongst Israel, cremation was not normally done, rather a burial or entombment. Though we do see evidence of cremation in 1 Samuel 31:11-13 (Saul & his sons) & Joshua 7:25 (Achan's sin).

So cremation is one option of dealing with the deceased. In both cases, burial or cremation, the body returns to its former state. It then becomes a matter of how respect is best shown, preservation of the cremains, & of costs associated with it. My preference would, as far as possible, be a burial, in line with biblical practises.

I wanted to ask how I look up to see if it's a sin to be cremated

God is good in everything

God is good

Hi Gaynell. I'm not sure which book of the Bible you are thinking of, or are there many books? The only way, is to read the chapter for yourself slowly and then write down what point(s) that comes to you strongly.

For example: In the Gospel of John chapter 1, as you read the chapter, you will note Jesus, God's Word, became man; John the Baptist proclaimed Jesus' arrival; and some men who followed Jesus. To simplify that further, you could remember the chapter as: Jesus, His disciples and John the Baptist.

So, you can do the same as you read each chapter: note down what you find are the main point(s) there. As far as memorising all of what you record, that would be difficult unless you have a very strong memory ability. I would suggest find a special verse & memorise it & over time, God's Spirit will help you to add to those verses you commit to memory.

is there a way that i can lean about what happen in each chapter and how can I memorise them

In the most holy place was the Candlestick made of 7 branches each having a KNOB AND A FLOWER indicative of a biological pregnancy. Th month of ABIB which means birthing In hebrew. Most everything blooms in Abib April, Thus the 7 candle sticks is symbolic of Christ th light of the World. A knob and a flower is symbolic of a pregnancy,Its indicative thats the light of the world wd be born in Abib.

shewbread is unleavened that was part of the Levitical ordinances

It is important to study the Bible so we can learn more about who God is, and what he has done for mankind. Studying and reading God's word is a command, not a preference nor performance, it is also not a ritual that religious does, it is from a heart of the saved to love and cherish God's word and do it by God's grace through the HolySpirit.

shewbread is the diffence of unlevened bread from shewbread ?

This is the purpose that Moses brought Israel out of Egypt to serve God. So here all Israel was to work together to build the tabernacle and for this generation it’s the first time their working together for something they can call their own.

Verse 8: We know that God can not physically dwell in any man-made structure. This sanctuary would represent Jehovah God and the pure worship of him.

"Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that gives it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering." In another place it is written about if any Levite wishes to come and serve the LORD, he may come, and he shall be accepted and have equal part with all the others. The call of God is to those who are willing to come and we are accepted of Him by that.

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that gives it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering...And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them." Every one of us is precious and uniquely made an expression of the image and glory of our Father in heaven, with beauty and purpose for serving Him!

To Madelin - I assume you want to know something about Ex. ch. 25 ? I'll ry to help ..............

Did you mean old testament? Jesus is the fulfillment of the O/T. Jesus himself taught much about the O/T. Also the book of Hebrews. When reading the O/T always keep christ in mind.

hi can somebody help me to understand old testimony