Genesis Chapter 1 Discussion Page 142

Dear Joe: I agree with you 100% except, but believing that god sent his only son to die on the cross for my sins and all mankind is one thing, but BELIEVING and RECEIVING is the way to Jesus. I know of many historians who believed it happened, but don't accept it as their eternal salvation.

@Joe:
Honestly, I'm not upset or angry. Although I do not "believe", I am a strong supporter of Christianity. Why? Look at what the rest of the world has to offer..Islam? LOL NO! I don't have an issue with most of the core beliefs of Christianity, but as far as it being "true".---No. I'm sorry, but the creation story is a myth. There are many historical truths in the bible, but the creation story is not one of them.

Bo Smith. Please forgive me, but I can tell you are angry and cynical. It's okay. I was there once myself. God made you. There is no other person on earth who ever was, or ever will be like you. You are unique and God's perfect handiwork. But, Bo, you have to make a choice of a lifetime. You have to believe that God sent his only begotten son to die in your place. Please read the book of John. I promise you, it will save your eternal life.

To Derek: Why should i believe evolution when it is not a proven fact and the logic behind it is absurd? Which came first the chicken or the egg? The seed or the fruit? I would love to know. Why aren't there cross fossils between man and animal? Why aren't new and better creatures than humans evolving right now? Why did Darwin himself reject his "theory" ,in his own words, and convert to Christianity? WHY?

Tell me Derek, where is the proof that we evolved? Were you there? Was anyone there? No. And if evolution is such "solid science", then why do so many scientist (who don't profess Christ) not believe in evolution? Uh...maybe because it's a bunch of hogwash that Charles Darwin made up on a whim, wrote it in a book (The Origin of Species), and changed his mind later in life. That's the basis for your belief. Sounds like it's shaky ground, not solid science. And yes, I'll even admit that my belief in creation is a theory, but its foundation is much more reliable than evolution's. The Bible has proved itself time and time again. It's stood the test of time. So go ahead and think what you want of us believers. The difference between me and you:when I die, I'll wake up in Heaven; when you die, you'll be very shocked (and full of regrets) when you wake up in a lake of fire that's burning with fire and brimstone. And for all of eternity, you'll remember the words of all of these people trying to persuade you to believe God and his word.

My final words on the subject. The science of the Bible is nonsense. The Earth is not the center of the universe, the Sun did not stop in the sky for Joshua's battle and yes, we did evolve from lower life forms and it is not a theory but solid science. Look, I know that no one wants to die and certainly does not want to contemplate that death as final so I personally have no problem with individuals clinging to wishful thinking about eternal life. The problem arises when those wishes infringe upon the rights of others and become a basis for inhumane behavior, tax evasion and fraudulent promises to those whose capacity for learning is obscured by their wish for immortality. Believe, have faith, worship, give and face your inevitable death with conviction but at the same time, understand that your evidence, to others, seems weak and trivial, depending solely on the oral tradition of middle eastern authors whose works were woven together by first century hucksters to create the largest business in the history of mankind. The final problem with this business is that it, for thousands of years now, has sought converts and their cash by means that are despicable to enlightened persons. Personally, I hope you are right about eternal life with a benevolent being but it certainly would not be the personage described in scripture as vengeful, given to rage, jealousy, violence with little thought of the individual "child" upon whose woes upon whom they (there are 3 right?) feed, begging for worshipful followers. Good Luck.

God made a statement in Gen. 1:1 then in the 2nd verse the 4th word is "became" not "was" check Isiaih 45:18 created perfect. What happen that He had to restore it and it took 6000 years. Revelation 12 satan the dragon stole a third of Gods children/stars. In the word as in Proverbs 8. Around verse 31? And Job 38 around verse 7? You see the family spoken of as stars,sons of God and let us create man in our image is exact. We are what we are there and same look here. spoken of the world that was and the world that we are on now that has been restored until the LORDs day is in Peter 3 I'm pretty sure? But God created earth and yes with dinosaurs but they couldn't hurt us in that form/body. The dinosuars in Job are behemath drink the whole river jordan and with tails as large cedar trees eat the mountain sides. Space ships are in Ezekiel chapter one. Gods very natural when doing things. He carried His throne Here. But to remember satan as antichrist is going to come and his bunch of preachers will have to ride here so I'm expecting they will return with many flying ships. Don't go flying away. When Christ comes Jerusalem is flatten with hail rocks. Jesus returns with a rod of iron.

It is a fairy tale that the earth was created in 6 days. Anyone who would believe other wise is similar to a martyr thinking they will have 72 virgins after they kill themselves.

No where in the bible does it say that Jesus cured the blind man, not the blindness. Read the scriptures in Mark 10: 51-52, it says- "51 And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.

52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

The bible clearly says he received his sight. Me, Matthew, and Carey have proved you wrong in almost all of your points.

Also, your hypothetical proof that the bible is wrong is not proof at all. If the same God breathed life into the first man, wouldn't he have the power to come in incarnation, and raise someone from the dead? I would think so!

TO DEREK: WHAT SCIENTIFIC DATA HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG?????

1. The Earth is Round:
2500 years before the earth was proven to be round, the bible revealed the truth in the following passages: JOB 26:10, PROVERBS 8:27, and ISAIAH 40:22

2. Paths of The Sea: (Insert from www.bible.ca)
Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. His daughter was reading a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went looking for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities. Maury used the Bible as a guide to scientific discovery.

3. The Hydro-logic Water Cycle (Insert from www.bible.ca)--The water cycle was not fully understood until about 30 B.C. by a Roman engineer named Marcus Vitruvius. Yet every aspect of the water cycle was fully revealed to mankind in 1600 B.C.! The Bible's description is in perfect harmony with modern science. Eccl 1:6-7; 11:3; Job 26:8; Amos 9:6. Vitruvius was 1600 years too late!

4. 6 Days of Creation: (Insert from www.bible.ca)--If a fair maiden kisses a frog which instantly changes into a handsome prince, we would call it a fairy tale. But if the change takes 40 million years, we call it evolution. We often hear that science has proved evolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. You see, people often confuse scientific fact with scientific theory. Current scientific theory does conflict with creation. But the facts of science do not! There are many scientists who fully accept Biblical creation. Surprised?

The theory of evolution says that over millions of years simple life forms (one celled creatures) slowly evolved into complex life forms (fish), and that one kind of animal evolved into another kind (ape to man). Genesis, on the other hand, says that all life forms were created in six, 24 hour days. Genesis chapter one states 10 times that life forms can only reproduce after their own kind (ape to ape, man to man). All the observable facts of science strongly support the Bible's claim that it is impossible for one kind to reproduce a different kind. The truth is, there is absolutely no tangible evidence to support evolution from any area of science, just theory and a wild imagination!

But if the Bible is wrong and man actually did evolve in small graduations over a long period of time, we should find ample fossil evidence of links in intermediate stages of transition. For decades, evolutionists have searched for fossils of these links to prove biblical creation wrong. Although millions of fossils have been unearthed, not even one missing link has ever been found. Has it ever occurred to you that this is the reason why scientists refer to them as missing links?

Even Charles Darwin realized the difficulty missing links gave his theory. Darwin wrote in his book, Origin Of The Species, "Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?" The reason we have never found any missing links is quite simple. Darwin's theory of evolution is wrong!
Here in your own words "The books that contain any scientific data have been completely wrong." You might want to take a look at the bible for yourself before you make assumptions! I rest my case. FOR ANY OTHERS WHO HAVE SCIENTIFIC DATA FROM THE BIBLE THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

it does not matter if i expand on 1 verse u got to know what it means and understand what i was trying to say is GOD is the beginning of everything b 4 time existed there was no humans and the Earth was void God just has to say the word and the world is destroyed no question asked but God is a merciful he is going to save our soul thru Jesus our Lord and Saviour Amen:

I am glad for the family of God, for Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. Evolve ? I am so glad I do not have to depend on that belief for eternal life.

The Massorah. All the oldest beat Mannuscripts of the Hebrew Bible contain on every page, beside the Text ( which is arranged in two or more columns ), a varying number of lines of smaller,distributed between the upper and lower margins. This smaller writing is called the Massorah Magna or Greek Massorah, while that in the side margins and between the columns is called the Massorah Parva or Small Massorah. In the side margin is the or outer margin is the Massorah Parna. The Prophets placed these in their writings so not a word or verse could be changed. It is hard to explain how very well the WORD was protected and it is hard for me to explain the fullness of this and the best way is to obtain The Companion Bible by E.W. Bullinger. Get the large print for there are 198 appendixes that will give you great knowledge in the WORD and number 30 is on the Massorah and Its a lot to read and them that love God should have a Bullinger Bible.

The bible says that the local church and his word would last FOREVER. Last time I checked, we still have his word, and we still have the local church! How could you say that the bible isn't overly religious? Have you ever read it? If you truly obeyed and followed the bible (all of it), you would be sinless. We see in the bible in romans 3:23 that we are filthy sinners. Also Derek, 12 books of the bible are devoted to history, which over and over, have been proven.
The son of Hamass went from a son of a terrorist, helping the mass murder of thousands, to a U.S. tourist touring the country spreading the good news of god's word! What happened?? He claims he was invited to a bible study right after he got let go from prison. He converted to a christian! Why? The bigger question is why would he? The muslim (no--caps!) religion rules that the family must disown him and they must never see each other again if a family member converts to Christianity. So, why? The truth you will find over and over is god's word changes lives. What did cari say? The bible was written by 44 men in the course of 1,100 years. That is impossible for men, who were all over the world when they wrote the books, to all write the same message without contradictions! What I am trying to say is that Clearly, God's word was inspired (GOD BREATHED) through the apostles. If you have proof otherwise please write and I would be glad to look at it! Make sure you don't take verses out of context though!

Carrie: AMEN! Sad to say, I have been down this road before with others, but I sense that those who have already made up their minds that we evolved without a creator won't change their minds unless they objectively look at the absolute truth in the bible. I know. I used to be one of those who thought the very same thing. After reading the book of John, I realized that no human being could write something like that without divine inspiration. I hope Derek just reads the bible for himself. Time is running out, as I belive we are in the last days.

say what you want derek...but there have been numerous prophecies that were predicted thousands of years ago that have come true and are still coming true today. Besides that, the Bible was written by 40 different men over a period of 1100 years, yet there are no contradictions found. And tell me, how was the earth created if God didn't do it? Hmmm...maybe it exploded out of nothingness or maybe we evolved into the intricate beings that we are. Think it through, because you sure are missing out on a lot because of your skepticism. God's real whether you believe it or not and so is the Bible.

God's power of creations.

Derek; Yes you are right I read Matthew 3-17

I don't know how to say this more politely. The Bible, King James, Orthodox, Latin or Greek is not proof of anything other than the contradictory, competitive interweaving of a patchwork of myths and legends into an entertaining but not overly religious piece of literature. I don't quote Shakespeare to prove the history of Julius Caesar, I quote the historians of the period. Not only is Jesus not found in history, neither are most of the myths of the Old Testament, including that of Moses, wandering in the desert for 40 years or the destruction of the Egyptian army which in itself is not likely to have been omitted from their own, extensive writings. Enjoy the bible for what it is, literature and believe in yourself and your fellow humans for sustaining you in life.
Good luck.

I tell you that I am the son of god and am subsequently executed. 60-70 years later some enterprising men decide to challenge the existing religious authority by martyring me and putting together a canonized book of hundreds of stories out of thousands available. They, for example, claim that I cured a blind man instead of blindness or that I raised people from the dead, who should now be roaming the earth, etc. The books that contain any scientific data have been completely wrong. Am I god?

it shows how great and mighty god is

Is this a trustworthy word-for-word copy of the King James Bible?

Dear anonymous. I agree with you 100%. I was saying the exact same thing, however with a little less tact, and I was scolded not to talk so harshly. For that, I apologize. The point I was trying to make is that no one comes to God unless it is through Jesus. There is no ambiguity in Jesus' words, and there is no sense in arguing forever to those who cannot accept the truth. You either believe Him, or you don't. I hope those who do not belive in Him please study God's word, not mine. I am just a man. God is who He said He was.

"If you seek God, my best advice is to move away from the bronze age and look more closely at the things that make us a unique species and leave behind you the fear and guilt of man made, self serving religion." This has been made almost impossible to do by the scientific community b/c people who believe the Bible will want to find a way to relate science to God and in the religion of Science, there is no God. Science is god. According to secular scientists, the two are mutually exclusive. That is why there are so many atheists in modern science (look at Richard Dawkins for example). How can you "find God" through modern science if it specifically excludes God?

Also, there are REAL scientists out there searching for Biblical truth and how it relates to science. Unfortunately they are usually ostracized by the secular scientific community or branded as quacks, and phonies. The scientific community refuses to see the possibilities of their dating techniques, etc. simply because they do not agree with what they've decided is consensus. This is bad scientific practice.

Scientists are supposed to be open to new science, even if it contradicts current thinking. Most often it is how revolutions and new discoveries are made in scientific theory. Modern secular scientists are closed-off to any science that disagrees with their theories. It is either ignored or summarily dismissed. In their view, theories are to be tested, but if the science fails the prevailing theory, don't keep searching, throw it out. That is the opposite of the OBJECTIVE of scientific theory. How ironic.

Religious institutions and "tradition" ARE EXACTLY man-made self serving religion. I agree with you. They are the creation of humans, not God, and therefore they are fallible, and many times (most times) get things wrong. Jesus wouldn't (and doesn't) agree with that. He wouldn't stand for religious holy wars, and persecution of people of other religions. Jesus came in love to humanity and preached love. Love your neighbor (fellow humans) as yourself. Turn the other cheek. This was very different than the Old Testament "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" way of doing things, and animal sacrifices to make us clean before God.

Jesus revolutionized our relationship with God as humans, but religious institutions and traditions, specifically Catholic teachings, cover that up, and even deny the personal nature of God's relationship with humans. They declare you can't access God without their priests', Virgin Mary's, and saints' intermediation, etc. But Jesus declared HE was the intermediator for us and God. He said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father, but through ME." John 14:6

Christianity before it was politicized and institutionalized by Constantine and the Roman empire, was very different. The first generations of Christians showed Jesus' spirit of humility, meekness, and LOVE for their enemies by allowing themselves to be sacrificed by the thousands before Roman mobs and in other places throughout the known world. They also showed an unwavering and courageous loyalty to Christ; enough to allow their physical bodies to be martyred simply because they believed in Him. Not for glory, but b/c they were CHANGED by Christ being in their lives and new a better life awaited them.

If you don't believe in man-made religious institutions, then I challenge you to find the REAL Christianity, one created by Christ himself and his example. If you are openminded and seeking Truth, you will find it. Don't close yourself off to the Truth, or even the possibility of the Truth because of the failures of humans and the institutions they have created (guided perhaps unknowingly, though sometimes on purpose, by Satan). It takes a much bigger person, and more personal spiritual searching, to find the truth of Jesus and how it applies us personally, than to dismiss it off-hand b/c other people have failed. Find answers for YOURSELF. Don't believe those institutions. Humans may fail you, but God will never fail you.

In the end an excuse of choosing not to believe at ALL b/c some versions of Christianity were perverted by men (or even b/c you were misled by those men!) will not hold water. You must take responsibility for yourself. Life in Christ is a personal spiritual journey each person must make for themselves. I can not make it for my husband, my children, my sister, my neighbor, my parishioner, my father, my mother-in-law etc. Whatever the case, each person must decide for his or herself, where they stand with God. In the end it will be YOU in front of God as Judge, and you will only be able to answer for yourself. There will be no excuses.

Do not rejoice in it, but know that those who mislead others spiritually, and those who are themselves misled will not be accepted by God. Everything I have been writing about being misled by man-made religions is perfectly summed up by Matthew 7:15-23. "15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

I know that in the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth, he just says the word and its done. If anyone knows how to read it properly they might see what the Lord see's, or what it really means. God is all power no one in all the world can do what he has done.

God never said the earth is 6 or 7 thousand, you ignorant men say that. God and science go together. If you don't know the word cause you have listen to men that don't know the word, so, then study. God`s WORD it is perfect and goes right along with science. The world that was, millions of years old.if anyone says there is no God he is in a dark place and that's a place to get out of. Hey! Have a nice trip. Oh! Don't take a jacket.

In Isaiah 45: 18 we see what God says about how He created the Earth. He said He Established it, that sounds perfect to me and then you read, He created it NOT in vain, He forned it to be inhabited. What! Filled it with children. Oh! 19 is the kicker, this verse kind of makes me feel,oh, like He put it here so we`d know something, if we seek. He didn't hide the truth in a dark place so we could find it. It`s all right here,just look. He`s a righteous God and a Great Father. Jacob is all 12 tribes,it`s like saying,everyone. And look at 45:21 ...and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; ther is none beside me. When I read this, none beside me,and God is the Saviour, I think of Jesus sittin down on His Throne and looking at His Right Hand because He sits at the right hand of God. Who`s your Father! I had to say that cause I love Jesus. Now in 2nd Peter 3:5 to 3:7 talks about the world that was that Perished but the Earth he`s standing on is kept in store,reserved unto fire untill the day of Judgement. I like this first chapter where God`s shekinah Glory or His light in verse 11 brings forth grass,herb yielding seed,fruit tress, and the sun and the moon were created later. Well, talk later. Have a nice day.

Quoting Biblical verses is not evidence of anything but the scientific ignorance of those who wrote the transcripts Why would a God of the 21st Century only reveal himself, according to the 3 main religions of the world to semi-literate, middle eastern men without giving them insight into the least of what we now know as fact. Do you really believe that the Earth is the 6 thousand year old center of the universe? If you seek God, my best advice is to move away from the bronze age and look more closely at the things that make us a unique species and leave behind you the fear and guilt of man made, self serving religion.

Don't let anyone make you believe or think that the WORD of God isn't the TRUTH! God is LORD. In the begining was the Word and the Word was and is God. God didn't leave Himself out when He said, Let us make man in our image and let's not leave off,after our likeness! Remember Proverbs 8:22 to 8:31 when God created the Earth with Wisdom, a beautifull place for us to live. In 8:31 who do you think was Rejoicing. Not Esau I bet. Romans 9:13. As it iis written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Read Malachi 1:3 and you only can hate someone and know someone,how? By living and being around them and that is the same when it comess to love as with Jacob. In the very begining before the attempted overthrow of the devil spoken of in Revelation 12, where the satan steals a third of God`s stars, Gods children and cast them to Earth spoken of in Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13 and listen to Jesus from 13:36 to 43. Think of this! The word, REPLENISH! When you replenish, well, 2nd time here! So, when you read in Job 38:when God is telling Job about creating Earth and then in verse 7 where all the souls that where created were shouteing for joy, Just think of you standing there in your spiritual body, yea, it looks just like you here except its made out of a little different puddy, anyway, you can't tell the difference, when you stand with them and they speak, the messengers, they looked just like us.Oh! Looking at Job 38 I saw in verse 32 the word Mazzaroth, that`s the 12 signs of the Zodiac,just a thought. Oh! Genesis 1:2 that 4th word [ was ] is hayah and translated became without form and void, Father got mad at satan. Jeremiah 4:22 on will let you know what happen to our happy place, our beautiful earth. God filled the earth on the 6th day with a lot of folks of all the beautiful colors and then on the 7th day which you could say,spiritual completeness He created the Folks, Adam and Eve, for the blood line of Christ. Well, I'm emailing this from my phone and I got to go, so, take care and God Bless all of you that Love Our Father and I`ll be back! Gary

Hi Dereks. God also called many of his prophets Son;
Exodus 4:22.
1 Chronicles 22:10.
Psalms 2:7