Genesis Chapter 1 Discussion Page 143

hi, God says Jesus is His son in Matthew 3:17

The word of God as told by man. Hilarious, inaccurate, unknowable. The word of God, translated across language, edited and reedited, voted upon and edited more. Oral stories passed down for generations before being written. Hearsay upon hearsay passed off as prophesy. People claiming revelation. God appearing in dreams and people believing these dreams were God speaking to them. No one in their right mind would believe such an poor account if "religion" were not attached to it.

Something I have always wonder about was where did we get our diversity in race from.Verse 27 and on down I get the idea that these passages explain just how that came into being.From my opinion, for as far as I can recall, since it is in the beginning altogether, although somewhat vague, this is the only portion of the bible as far as I know that gives any suggestion to the descent of man. What do you think?

Joe; If Jesus is not a prophet than why does the Bible say he is? And where in the Bible does God proclaim he is his son as he does in the following verse of others: Exodus 4:22. God was speaking to prophet Moses, "Than you will tell him, This is what the lord says",
Israel (Jacob) is my first born Son". "I commanded you, Let my Son go so he can worship me, but since you have refused I will now kill your your first born son".
Also in 2 Samuel 7:14 God is speaking of David; " I will be his Father and he will be my Son".
Psalm 2:7 The King proclaims the Lords degree, "The Lord said unto me" " You are my Son,today I have become your Father"
Again in 1 Chronicles 22:10 God was speaking about the Son of Solomon. " He is the one who will build a temple to honor my name. He will be my Son and I will be his Father".

May: If you only think of Jesus as just a prophet and not the son of God, then I am sorry to say that your very soul is in grave danger. Jesus said NO ONE comes to the father except through me. Why? Because Jesus is the only person who was able to pay the penalty of man's sin problem. No prophet other than the God/man Jesus Himself could do that. This is said to you in all love and seriousness.

The whole idea of defining One God as a Trinity was the invention that the Jewish hierarchy used to try and separate their Gods from the Gods of the Greeks and other Pantheistic societies of the time thousands of years in the past. It is insulting to be instructed in modern times that there is One God with three personages.

There are either three Christian Gods; the ones who presumably are the "Us" that made men in "Our" image or one God with Multiple Personality Disorder.

Joe: to answer your question I have to say "No, I don't believe in the word Trinity", however "I do believe in Jesus", but not as the Son of God, but as a divine prophet.
You see the phrase Son of God is not literal but metaphorical as shown in the following verses used in Exodus 4:22. God was speaking to prophet Moses, "Than you will tell him, This is what the lord says",
Israel (Jacob) is my first born Son". "I commanded you, Let my Son go so he can worship me, but since you have refused I will now kill your your first born son".
Also in 2 Samuel 7:14 God is speaking of David; " I will be his Father and he will be my Son".
Psalm 2:7 The King proclaims the Lords degree, "The Lord said unto me" " You are my Son,today I have become your Father"
Again in 1 Chronicles 22:10 God was speaking about the Son of Solomon. " He is the one who will build a temple to honor my name. He will be my Son and I will be his Father".
I have read many verses in the Bible where signifies love, affection and nearness to God which does not only apply to Jesus.In Luke 4:41 Jesus refused to be called the Son of God. Many who were possessed with demons, and the demons came out at his command shouting, "You are the Son of God", but because they knew he was the Messiah he rebuked them and refused to let them speak".
Luke 9:18 Jesus asked his disciples, "who do people say I am".
Luke 9:20-21,22 "Than who do you say I am" Peter replied "You are the Messiah, sent by God". Jesus warned his disciples not to tell anyone who he was saying "The Son of man must suffer many terrible things".
As we read in Acts 9:20 It was Paul, who never met Jesus preached in the synagogues saying "He is indeed the Son of God".
In Mathew 5:17-18
Jesus announced “Don’t misunderstand why I have come, I did not come to abolish the law of Moses, or the writings of the prophets, No I came to accomplish their purpose.”

Felis, A lot of words we use in this Millennium are not written in the Bible, your right, but the word 'Trinity' still originated from Athenasius, which in the days of his order had to be approved by the council of Nicea, hence the word 'Trinity' was born. If you look at
Jeremiah 8:8’
Jeremiah says"How can you say we are wise because we have the word of the Lord, when your teaches have twisted it by writing lies."
As you say the word 'Trinity' is used to describe 'The Father, the Son and the holy Spirit' It is also described in
1 John 5:7 as
"So we have these three witnesses"* The spirit, the water and the blood, and all three agree’.
I do know the verse you quoted
Matt 28:18
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth".
He is speaking of two, there is no mention of 3.
The path of Jesus was miraculous and he did some wonderful miracles, this we can not deny.
But Jesus himself said;
Mathew 15:8-9
“ But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandment of men.”
John 5:37
‘And the father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face’.
John 8:28
‘I do nothing of myself’.
John 14:28
‘My Father is greater than I’.
Mark 12:29
‘The Lord God is one Lord’.
In summary;
Its in my hands to know the truth of our religion. So I will continue to research for the truth

So May, if you don't believe in the trinity, then you obviously don't believe in Jesus, God's only begotten son. And who reveals God to your spirit. None other than the Holy Spirit, also GOD.

@May-The word trinity is used to refer to(The Father,The Son & Holy Spirit) and if it does not appear in any bible it does not mean its unbiblical. Even though other words are not in the Bible,what happens is when the meaning/the interpretation is used this does not mean its unbiblical e.g.the word Millenium is not in the bible what is in the Bible is a thousand years,so does that mean millenium is pagan? NO.

Now lets hear if Jesus never specifically mentioned about the trinity.
Matt 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

v 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Did you catch that in v19,there is a trio.
God bless

Where do I find out about the Sumerians?

Tanya, I hope you don't mind me 'butting in 'I would like to help answer your question. The word trinity, which I came to know, is not Biblical nor is it used in any Bibles or Bible dictionaries.
Trinity was never specifically mentioned by Jesus.
The formation of the trinity was presented by Athenasius, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria and was also accepted by the council of Nicea more than three centuries after Jesus had departed from the earth.
So the word Trinity is of pagan origin and not biblical.

Adam and Eve were before the sumerians...Hello, duh. Everyone came after. I don't really get your question. The point is God created Adam and Eve as the first human beings. Rephrase your question so that it make sense.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Yes, there are some here promoting things not of The Way. Bo are then familiar with the Besorah?

hello..um if there were noone before Adam and Eve what about the Sumerians? Where do they fit in?

Natsarim?
No, I see Mythicism.

JohnyDean- Are you honestly saying Adam was the son of Yahweh (God)? I just want to see if I am understanding you correctly.

I hear voices of the Natsarim here??? Halle lu YAh Shabbat Shalom. Ones in whom there in no lie.

Yahusha Ha Mashiach!! Halle lu Yah, Shabbat Shalom to His people of The Way of the Natsarim.

Joe: explain I John 5:7,8 Is there a Trinity?

the book of genesis was first presented at mt sanai to a group of people that had been a long time in a land that called everything a god and was meant to reteach to them the knowledge of the one true God of their fathers and the creation acount was a showdoun with the gods that intruded onto the teritory sacred within the Israelite heart that once belonged soly to the one true God of Israel Known as ELOAH yet refered to in Gen 1 as ELOAHIM in order to stress a superlative condition Of GOD of gods where the creation acount could ultimatly eliminate gods and establish GOD finalized by the last act of creation Adam and the gods are seen to fall away From GOD when the riddle of "let us create man in our image and LET HIM HAVE DOMINION{Jesus-Mt.28:19}where the next verse state AND SO GOD CREATED IN HIS OWN IMAGE adam who was to journy on through time where he would die and in the fulness of time be BORN AGAIN in a manger in Bethlehem as the SECOND ADAM

I agree , it is pagan plagiarism just as the very name Jesus is pagan because their is no J in original Hebrew .....his name is Yahshua (not Jesus) ....the christian world has been taught traditions of men instead of Abba Yahweh's truth !

Read Revelation and you will see El Elyon is one. Father, Son and, Ruach HoKodesh. Read very slowly. El Elyon is one. He has been, is, and will be one as He always has been, one.
Shabbat Shalom


Elohim Adonai, One Faith, Baptism, Truth.
YAhushua is the fullness of Elohim Adonai bodily.

So "thousands" of years before God sent himself to earth, he purposely used the phrase "Let US go down and make man in OUR image"? God is so omni-everything that he talks with his other 2 parts?
Just look at the creation account. How could anyone take it literally? It is IMPOSSIBLE!
1st day, 2nd day...
There are NO days until the earth is created and orbiting the sun/revoling on its axis.--FACT
Something that is omni-everything is not bound to something as trivial as time. God is everywhere.

The 7 day creation story is plagiarism from Sumeria. Sumerian mythology is the origin of this story and the number 7 is used based on their knowledge of planets.
1. Sun
2.Mercury
3.Venus
4.Earth
5.Mars
6.Jupiter
7.Saturn
That is why "7" days are used.
I could go further with the number 12 and it's signifance,but....

Bo: If you deny the trinity, what else can anyone say? It is only one of the most important truths of the Word of God. You can call it what you will, but it is what it is, and your eternal soul depends upon it being what God says.

@ Mary--that's simply not true. The "Us" is simple pagan plagiarism. Christians can't make sense of it, so the holy spirit is thrown in.

My Dear Trinidad: I don't know to whom you are addressing your comments, but although your heart is in the right place, you must admit that when a brother or non-believer needs friendly correction, then such correction could save his/her soul. Sure, everyone can believe whatever they want, but there is still only ONE WAY TO GOD, and that's through JESUS. Any other belief will NOT get you to heaven. I didn't say that; GOD did! So I ask again: who is judging whom?

It is not your place to judge your brother, for he has his own path, and you have yours.

"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men." Romans 14:13-15

He has the right to believe what he wants to believe, and i think god would encourage that.

AMEN, Mary!

Read verse 26... God said "let US make them in OUR image, and in OUR likeness". This refers to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. The bible clearly states the only way to God and to Heaven is thru the shed blood of Jesus Christ. We must accept Jesus as our personal savior to be Born Again. If this is not the basis of your religion it is ALL in vain.