Genesis Chapter 1 Discussion Page 16

Cowboy, I am not saying that the Creator is mortal. He is not a creature and is self existent. His eternal existence is within Himself. I really cannot say for certain what the "image of God" is in mankind. Each and every person is made in His image from Adam to now. We are all mortal but still possess the image of God. This image does not include His essence (that which makes Him God and completely separate from what any creature he has created). This essence includes so many qualities that we do not possess-self existence, infinity, absolute perfection, holiness to the infinity degree, all-powerful, all-knowing, everywhere present, eternal immortality, absolute completeness, self-sufficiency (in need of nothing outside of Himself), perfect simplicity (He is not made of parts or has a composite existence), unchanging, He cannot be harmed by anything, subdued by anything, or overruled by anything.

These qualities are all what He is as a whole, He is not part all-powerful and part unchanging. He possesses all of these qualities to the utmost and, as far as simplicity goes, these qualities are His essence. They cannot be separated out from Him or compartmentalized.

We however are composite beings. We are made of parts and if parts fail or are removed we can die or suffer harm.

Same is true of all created things and beings. We have limits on all of our abilities and faculties. We capable of adding to our abilities (i.e. knowledge, strength) or these abilities can be reduced or eliminated. We can be made alive spiritually, which is a change in our nature. We can be affected by outside forces. So the image of God in us is none of the things I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

This is why I do not believe that man was made immortal (the angels are made this way).To live forever, He would have needed to eat from the Tree of Life, which shows that Adam and Eve did not possess immortality.

Immortality in man can only be acquired, not restored, in man by salvation.

Ferment I understand that is the universe that God created but how would I explain to somebody that saying the Big bang theory is the one that created the universe well I could also say what created that Big bang theory if it wasn't God but I need you to help me put it in the words that make more sense that made sense to me I don't know thank you

Hello David,

The text in Genesis does not say that Adam and Eve were created immortal. Therefore, this is something we really do not know for sure. Certainly, what God had done in creation was good. It does not say that it was perfect in an absolute sense that we will be in the resurrection.

But thanks for your thoughts.

GiGi

For the sake of conversation, So, you are saying that the creator is mortal and not immortal.

Genesis 1:26 reads "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:". If God is mortal than God must have blood but wait blood can't enter heaven. Are you saying the Angels have flesh and blood too? If man was made in the image of God and God's likeness than that man must be like God. Adam and Eve was transformed from immortal to mortal in a twinkle of an eye just as we will be transformed in an twinkle of an eye. We will go from mortal to immortal.

God Bless

stay prayed up and ready to go up

cowboy

Gigi Just for the sake of conversation since sin brought death and decay then Adam and Eve if they would not

have sinned and they had perfect blood and Leviticus 17:11 life of the flesh is in the blood and God said everything

he created was very good no corruption by logic thy could have lived forever.

In order for Jesus to be like us and be on our level, He was created the "FIRST" and "ONLY" son of Jehovah God! (NOW LISTEN TO THIS) By being "BORN" by the "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION" of the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary, He became and "IS" the only human that was "CAPABLE" of enduring life without sin and growing up knowing and "LEARNING" his mission to die on the cross for "ALL" even die for Satan and his demons. Therefore, in order for Jehovah God to "FORGIVE" man and all creation that He had created, Jesus also endured the "TOTAL" pains of "HELL", AND, was the "ONLY" human to "GO" to hell, thus "BECOMING" and "QUALIFYING" to be "EVERYONE'S" Savior by "TEACHING" us to overcome the powers of Satan AND HAVE VICTORY OVER HIM (SATAN) ENDURING SATAN'S ATTACKS BY "LOVING" HIM AS WELL AS LOVING JESUS.

Hello Cowboy,

I do not think that Adam and Eve were created as immortal. I think they were created as mortals without sin at the time they were created. They had the ability to chose to obey God's command or disobey Him. Their disobedience brought spiritual death to them. If they were born immortal they would not need to eat from the tree of life, as God said that if they ate of the Tree of Life, they would live forever. ( Gen. 3:23). Thus God put them out of the Garden to restrict them from eating of the Tree of Life. They must not have ever eaten of the Tree of Life.

I am not aware of anywhere in Scripture were it speaks of an being created immortal (angels, heavenly hosts) from their beginning ever becoming mortal. (Not talking about the Son of God; who created everything, but was never created).

the Scripture does say that man, who is mortal from conception, can become immortal through belief in the gospel of Jesus Crist.

Perry

In the beginning Adam and Eve were immortal they had no need of protein, vitamins, or minerals in their bodies. So, the fruit of the trees and the herbs of the field were enough for them, even all of the animals ate grass the lions, tigers, etc. the list goes on. But after the fall of man (taken of the forbidden fruit) Adam and Eve died to the spirit (they lost their immortality) they had to start eating meat and vegetables. The body now needed the protein and minerals to survive. Recall Genesis 3: 17, 18, & 19 God told Adam he would have to eat of the ground that includes animals that feed off the ground.

God Bless

stay prayed up and ready to go up

cowboy

Hello Perry. Folk might have eaten meat at that point as suggested by Rick, but if you're seeking a Scripture, then Genesis 9:1-4 (with Noah & his family after the flood), might answer your question.

Hi Perry Genesis 4 Abel herded sheep and they ate lamb in the middle east along with other animals in herds

camel goats etc.

If God gave us things from the trees and the field, what and when did we start eating flesh?

I agree on that, AMEN!

Chris Sorry I answered the the first one, 2nd mistake i made today.

Chris I respect and understand what your saying I have the same respect admiration and awe for our Almighty

Father, and as Jesus Christ said when we come to God as such with the heart of a child he is more than willing to

meet the need. Too many Christians either approach with self righteous arrogance or I'm not good enough,

no balance we have been made righteous in Gods way by His spirit that doesn't mean be haughty or high minded

about it or I'm not good enough and almost beg for help. God wants neither the balance is the word and walking

by the spirit. That includes meekness and humility traits not of the five senses. Our father wants to help us His children and willing to give them anything according to His Word. In respect of the devils or demon

i'll stick with my position the enemy isn't going to soften what he does so i'll stick with original scripture description

there are too many things being labeled its O.K. if this makes me tough spiritually so be it.

Also too many people who are wanting to believe are asking which bible is closets to the truth! That alone is alarming

I stick with kjv and work the original languages it was translated from and studies from eastern culture which

makes a dramatic difference in belief and understanding. That being shared I'm moving on Brother God bless.

Thank you Rick - point taken. I've replied to David also on this matter, if you could refer to that.

Thank you David. True, translations have continued to evolve over time & often, & in an attempt for making it more understandable to succeeding generations, they have sometimes lost the original meaning of the word. I guess, those of us who read from the KJV are at fault also, as it is simply an 'older' English translation/wording of the original languages. And we know that we often need to go back to the originals to learn about the matter more clearly.

A recent example we've been dealing with on KJBO, is the matter of 'gods', where the original word is 'Elohim'. One can be pedantic & state that the word only applies to the True God, therefore every appearance of the word must mean that men, angels, etc. must also be 'a god' as well; whereas that generic name has other meanings which need correct application in context. Where I get troubled is when the newer translations do not remain faithful to the original languages because of their quest to make verses more understandable, or even omitting verses altogether.

In regards to 'devils', in Luke 11:15 we read, "But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils." In the Greek, the word is 'daimonion', from which of course, we get 'demons', & this is defined as 'evil spirits, heathen deities, demons'. However, the KJV chooses to use 'devils', which is also correct. I don't believe anything is lost by using 'demons or evil spirits'.

Hi Gigi The phrase mother of all living pertains to child birth, the term mother means ancestress. Fits the title.

John 1:1-5,

Carolyn, that is a good question.

Many people think that in Genesis 1 God created Adam and Eve, and that Genesis 2 is a recap of Day 6. Others, believe that God created mankind (Adam) on Day 6, not a singular man (Adam) and that on day 7 God put one man Adam, in the special garden God made grow, and then made Eve out of Adam.

Scientifically, evidence seems to show that mankind has been around for 40,000 years. Scientifically, also, it is theorized that in order for a species to survive and thrive there needs to be more than one initial pair procreating.

Even so, God is the Creator and sustainer. Therefore, either is plausible. We really do not know, exactly.

Some say that it was only Adam and Eve because Eve is called the "Mother of all the living." However, she was not the mother of Adam. So, perhaps this phrase is referring to all of the people who would be from their lineage, who can be spiritually alive because they follow God. Only their lineage through Seth survived the flood. This lineage was that of the Savior to come, in the fullness of time, Jesus. So, everyone who is alive now or who lived after the flood is from Adam and Eve's lineage through Seth.

God is Spirit, not human. Before He created all things, The Godhead (Trinity) inhabited eternity without any other being. Nothing else was in existence because he alone is uncreated. He spoke and the heaven and the earth was created. Same with everything else recorded in Genesis 1. It was wen Jesus was conceived in Mary that God the Son became man in sinless flesh.

One question for you, why do you think that God is a man?

How did God create man if he was already a man?

Hi Chris This is not taking sides but its interesting how translations keep changing things in the Word little by little

by little, but if it all means the same thing why are they changing the word little by little because its[acceptable].

I',m thankful that when Jesus Christ was confronted by satan and satan used Gods Words out of context Jesus

Stand and Reply was It Is Written in the right context. Thank God This is just an example not that were discussing

context usage just changing scripture a little. I'll go with devils demons sounds to nice.

Was Adam and Eve the only people God created?

Chris I understand the translations and the changes but I'll stick with scripture reason being it makes them

sound less then what they are evil see the connection devil evil and also again another little change of original text. Another point The kingpin is known as The Devil amongst other titles and all messengers operating under Him are

devils. I seem to remember what happened when one person said thou shalt not surely die and another said thou

shalt surely die. Just making a point

Thomas

Yes, there were giants in the earth or on the earth. These giants were from the sons of God, these sons of God were angels. When God created Adam God made Adam in his image. So, Adam was one of the sons of God. Genesis 6: 2 tells us that the sons of God took them wives of all which they chose. The Angels have a freewill just as you do, they can choose to serve God are not, just as humans can choose to serve God are not, and if a human or angel refuses to serve God the angel is sent to the bottomless pit chained, and the human that refuses to serve God when he dies is sent to hell.

Genesis 6: 1- 6

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

God Bless

stay prayed up and ready to go up

cowboy

Brother Rick, using either 'devils' or 'demons' is quite acceptable as the meaning is the same. It's just that the older translations (KJV, Tyndale Bible, Geneva Bible, etc.) use 'devils', whereas the newer translations use 'demons'. Maybe this was done to allay any misunderstanding between the devil himself & his 'demons', as some might think of 'devils' as many of the same hierarchy & control as Satan. Personally, I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing 'demon' to correctly describe those evil spirits that followed Satan & do his works on the Earth.

I guess I say both. Probably because of books I read in the past. You're right. The word isn't in the Bible. When I pray, I say evil spirit.

One told Jesus it's name was Legion, "because we are many."

Acts 19:15

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

I think most important is to not respond in any way other than HOW Jesus demonstrates (or Paul) in the scriptures. In my experience, they respect the name of Jesus and his shed blood. I don't like talking about it.

I was newborn Christian and I had to fight back. They will not cross the blood of Jesus. I was accused for having practiced astrology. I didn't have Bible knowledge yet. I had the Holy Spirit tell me to plead the Blood.

Hi Mishael I'm don't understand something everybody keeps saying the scripture says but when it comes

to evil spirits it says devils not demons, then i'm gonna hear its all the same if that's true why doesn't it say demons?

On the red link page, the Apocrypha; if you type giants into the search box; there's a lot more info on giants.

I don't study that. Mostly, because angels are created by God. The ones that followed satan when he was thrown out of heaven became fallen/evil like Satan (who was created too).

Scripture teaches when we are caught up to heaven we'll be as the angels: not given in marriage (or dating). Anatomically speaking I don't know what that means. I don't know what the demons are like. Unless they borrow a human body (from the unsaved peoples), they are invisible. Ephesians 6.

After Noah's Ark, demons would have spirit bodies. Personally, I was attacked by a spirit in which a person whom I quoted scripture to for being involved in spiritism; allowed entry by a demon. It almost broke my neck. I pled the Blood of Jesus and angels took "it" off me and fought it outside in the yard. I heard it.

This can't happen to a born again Christian.

It is wisdom to not delve into the supernatural because our "faith" in the credence of it, attracts evil spirits. Better that our faith is STRONG in Jesus's Authority over evil spirits. Don't walk a tightrope unless you are prepared to fall.

Witches and satanic priests have relations with demons; only invisible beings cannot have mortal body parts.

Be very careful over your curiosity about forbidden dabbling. Leave this alone. You're being targeted.

Hi Thomas,

That was the interpretation generally held by the church in its early history, but others say that the sons of God were the men of the line of Seth and the daughter's of men were from the line of Cain or even, perhaps, of other human populations if God create mankind in Genesis 1 and set apart Adam in the garden for the line that survives the flood and leads to Jesus, our Messiah. I don't know if we can really know for sure. The Book of Enoch says that it was fallen angels that interbred with human women.

I do not know if scientific discovery will bring anything to this discussion. Should skeletal remains of people from that time ever be found and DNA could be extracted and analyzed, and compared to others from that age, then we may get some answers.