Genesis Chapter 17 Discussion Page 2

What book in the Bible and verse no pandemic or weapon will come against me

Hello Richard, Thank you! Perhaps it is more obedience than practice in good works by faith or just practice, but how many do either that have been washed by the blood of the Lamb?

1Corinthians 16:20 All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with a holy kiss.

1Thessalonians 5:26 Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss.

2Corinthians 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss.

Romans 16:20 Salute one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

James 1:21-25 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls.

But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

For if any be a hearer of the Word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

As Mishael stated in a comment "faith without works is dead"( James 2:20). Learning about our Lord Jesus Christ and zealously studying/reading the Word is most definitely good fruit unto the Lord. As in many ways we can all produce good fruit of the Spirit unto our Father in Heaven.

God Bless.

Hello Judy,

Just to add a couple verses to what Mishael posted for you about the real circumcision being of the heart. Not the flesh.

Romans 2: 25-29 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God is concerned with our heart being circumcised. A mans genitals being circumcised is not really the same thing as his heart before God. That is something his parents had done and that is fine but he became a man with a heart either for or against God. I hope you gain the understanding you are looking for.

Judy my heart goes out to you for your loss. Read Acts 15 and I believe what Peter says will take that burden off of your heart. May the Lord fill the emptiness and peace and fond memories fill your days. God bless, Ron

Judy, Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day of his life. It's Jewish custom that has been passed down through time to set the Jewish people apart from Gentiles.

A whole lot is taught on this by Paul mostly in the New Testament. The Jews wanted the Gentiles to be circumcised; Paul stopped that thought. He says for us to be circumcised IN OUR HEARTS.

Colossians Chapter 2

9 For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made WITHOUT hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with Jesus in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the FAITH of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

This is the bottom line on circumcision. Christians/Gentiles do not need to be circumcised to prove their faith in Jesus. We must be born again.

We are blown around like a lot of leaves until we get into reading Gods Word for ourselves. If you are going to spend eternity with Jesus in heaven- - why would you not want to learn all you can about Jesus? He's the lover of your soul.

Your husband, if he was born again, is in heaven. It is our FAITH in what Jesus says of himself in the 4 Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

Faith without works is dead. I think the "works"he's talking about is learning about him. In Matthew 26:31-46 mentions ways to relieve others who have lack and have not seen a reason to seek out Jesus.

Our kindness to others opens a door to tell someone else how you came to believe in Jesus. He's not a church; He's a real Person..the Son of God. Anything we do in the name of Jesus, does not go unrewarded. Amen?

The Lord bless you, Mishael

Judy, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.

Were women commanded to be circumcised in the old testament? Are you cut off from God for not being circumcised?

Romans 2:28-29 For he (or she) is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outwardly in the flesh:

(vs 29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; an circumcision that is of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

It's Christ in you, the new birth, that is the true circumcision.

Judy,

"Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." 1Co 7:18-19

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing

The only question is, had he made peace with God? It's the question we must all ask. What have you done with Jesus?

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Titus 3:5

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom 10:9-10

No.

1 Corinthians 7:19, KJV: "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God."

My husband was never circumcised and has just died at 80 years old. Does that mean he is

cut off from God?

Sacha,

Good choice. Unless you're a scholar in Hebrew, and I am surely NOT, having the Hebrew is of little value.

I occasionally read stuff that refers to Hebrew characters' numeric value and so on those rare occasions, I'll open my Hebrew to see those characters or words. BTW, a Strongs Concordance, also in my eSword app, can help a lot!

Here are a few instances that I've found interesting and inspiring.

Abram and Sarai-God changed each of their names by adding the Hebrew character Heh (think breath). He breathed into each of them.

Rahab tells the spies to hide 3 days, helps them escape using a rope (word connoting sorrow) and arranges to identify her family with a scarlet cord (word connoting hope). Christ died and rise the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.

Solomon's laver, 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around, ratio is 3 vs 3.14159. 1Ki 7:23; 2Cr 4:2. The Hebrew word fir circumference is spelled two different ways and the numerical difference in the Hebrew characters gives a solution that is correct to 3 decimal places compared to using pi.

Hi Richard in Christ ,assuming you didnt do a lot of typos in that rendering of the psalm from the.hebrew ,i think i shall keep my pennies and stick to my k.j.v. thankyou so much .

Hello Skip,

As I'll say this reply is for Sacha as well. Seeing those differences on Psalms 22:16 led me to check that verse on the site I use to go over the Holy Scriptures from other translations.

The site I refer to has the Masoretic Text which is said to be the authoritative Hebrew text of the 24 books of the Tanakh(OT) in Judaism. Using that site I copied and pasted that psalm on google translate to English. This is what came up:

Psalms 22:16 Because dog soaps are a testament to the kippon grazing kari by my hands and feet.

Which I cannot fully understand as a couple of those words I do not know.

Using the verse analysis makes more sense as the last four Hebrew words are H5362, H3738, H3027 then H7272. Which would be like "strike with violence, to dig bore or open, hands, feet." I see where the "lion" comes from as that is the Hebrew word H738 which is only in the KJV translation for "pierced" which makes no sense. As that word is not in the Masoretic Text for that Psalm.

Very interesting though. As some other verses I translated were almost exact to the KJV. Some much more simple etc.

Always good to study the Scriptures.

My Bible is the eSword app for iPad. I have lots of translations (20+) in this app including Hebrew (Tanach) with Strongs, KJV with Strongs, JPS (Jewish Publication Society) Old Testament.

For instance, this is a comparison of Psalm 22:16

(KJVA)For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

(Hebrew OT)

(JPS)(22:17) For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

Hi Skip ,im sorry ,i should have made myself clear ,i mean a copy of the Hebrew Torah ,with English translation of course ,i was just wondering if anyone knew how much if any differnces there are between it and the k.j.v.

The Torah is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, the first five books of The Bible written by Moses by inspiration of The Holy Spirit.

Have you NOT read the Torah? I probably have read Leviticus the least. I'm currently in a Bible study on Genesis. But I've read through these books many times over the years.

Many significant things to me: a very few of them are...

Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6

Moses intercedes for his people Exodus 33:12-23 "My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest."

Sevenfold curses for Israel's rebellion Leviticus 26

Moses strikes the rock twice. Oops! Numbers 20:10-13

How can we know if a prophet speaks from God Deuteronomy 18:15-22

Hi everyone ,has anyone read the Torah ? Im asking because i am thinking of getting myself a copy ,if you have read it can you tell me what you think please ?

How is Christ's crucifixion connected to repentance or surrendering

Hello to you CINDY,

Well, you have pointed out a statement that Lot made. Remember whom Lot made the statement to, Lot is not as God who knows all things. As I mentioned before, Lot maybe thought his daughters were virgins, and also I'm just speculating that they were not. Also keep in mind that these men could care less if they were, because they were more into the back and not the front (if you get what I mean). God bless you

Hello Richard Curtiss,

Are you referring to the KJV of 1611? If so, I take it you have not thoroughly read it because it has many references to the name or names of GOD. I have listed a few here: I AM THAT I AM ( means sender) Exodus 3:14

: JEHOVAH ( means God Almighty, Most High, Everlasting and so on.Ex6:3

: JESUS (means Savior, The Word) John 1:14.

: ISAIAH 40:28

It's too many to mention on this platform; but I hope this list will help you or do you have something else to share or enlighten? God bless you

Ecclesiastes 3:14-17 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Ecclesiastes 5:8 If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they.

Ecclesiastes 7:8-9 Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.

9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.

2 Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I asked this question because I think God works through mankind (believing or not) to further His Gospel by free choice.

:)

why are the names of God not in the KJV? The words Lord and God being substituted

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Why would he risk lying to this bunch of sexual perverts?

Hi Darren, that's nice of you. I'm doing ok, God bless you.

Was America, speaking of the US, the first country that separated infant baptism from citizenship?

Adam,

I haven't seen you on the board in a few days. Hope you are OK.

CINDY,

I'm not too sure these girls were virgins because Lot their father would have noticed blood on him the next day. Also being drunk would have been difficult for penetration. Maybe Lot thought they were Virgins. Anyway, that's my thought. God bless you

1 Corinthians 6:12

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1 Corinthians 10:23

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

I don't think recovering alcoholics should test this out. Also, if you crash your car after drinking, your insurance could be cancelled; plus the cost of insurance goes up.

If you cause a death with a vehicle, complications and lawsuits ensue.

I worked at a DMV 23 yrs. The cost of a DWI is upwards of $9000, or more. The cost of an Uber ride is much less.

If other people see a Christian out drinking, it may influence their decision to accept Christ.

If your heart condemns you, think about that. If you or other people are not edified, then follow your conscience.

It's just as nice to meet at a coffee hangout to drink designer coffee & eat pie. Conversation is great and being sober leads to just as interesting conversations.

My friends and I would meet at a taco restaurant after church and get a huge platter of nachos with all kinds of stuff piled on and 6 or 7 people could graze on that. It was always edifying and fun! We prayed and talked about our experiences with Jesus that week. It beats being single and being home alone talking to the walls.

Sharpen your friendship skills and invite some other singles to meet up there at a specific time and place.

It's the "worlds voice" that says we have to do this with alcohol and music loud enough to cause nose bleeds.

Take a listen on YouTube to a song about not being part of the world system anymore. Type this=

Petra Visions / Not Of This World

The Lord bless you, Mishael