Genesis Chapter 19 Discussion Page 7

From here on Homosexuals are referred to as Sodomites in the Bible. 1 Kings 15-12, 1 Kings 22-46, 1 Kings 14.24, 1 Kings 23-7, Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Romans 1:23-27, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. The words knew and know many times in the Bible Mean to have sex with. And Adam knew his wife and she conceived and Bare a son. The Men in this City were so given over to Homosexuality that they refused two Virgin Women. They wanted to know or Have sex with the Men that were in Lot’s House. They were so possessed with Homosexuality that even after the angels smote them blind they wearied themselves trying to find the door. It's referred to as an abomination. God commanded the Kings to put the Sodomites out of the land. If a man should lie with a man after the manner of a women they shall both be put to death (Leviticus). If God doesn't change, he still feels the same about this today. I wouldn't condone or look to find scriptures to condone something God hates so much. It is changing the truth of God into a lie and worshiping the creature and not the Creator. We are commanded to Mortify or (Kill) the lust of the flesh and the affections thereof. God is coming back for a bride that is pure white. Not a filthy lustful harlot stained with sin. God saves us from our sins not in them. Galatians 6- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

It's funny how some people think that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. They need to read this Bible. NOWHERE is it interpreted that way.

What I learnt from this verse is that there are some things in our life that we should let go and wipe out of our memory totally.No matter how expensive they seems or how hard we've laboured for them, If sudenly we loose them,we should still praise God and forget about it all, knowing that we are serving Jehovah Jireh (the God that provide) we should move ahead in God new direction. As christians we should trust in God for greater life ahead of us.Lot wife was filled with the thought of what she was loosing in Sodom, so she became a pilar of salt .apart from the fact that salt is use for preservation.we should also know that a salty land is good for nothing,it's a waste land,A salty land can neither be use for farming nor for building,that is to say that anytime we consentrate on what we've lost in our old life we become unproductive in our present life.

What I learnt from this verse is that there are some things in our life that we should let go and totally wipe out of our memory. No matter how expensive they seem or how hard we've laboured for them. If we suddenly loose them, we should still praise God and forget about them all, knowing that we are serving Jehovah Jireh (the God that provide). We should move ahead in God’s new direction. As Christians, we should trust in God for greater life ahead of us. Lot’s wife was filled with the thought of what she was losing in Sodom, so she became a pillar of salt. Apart from the fact that salt is used for preservation. We should also know that a salty land is good for nothing, it's a waste land. A salty land can neither be use for farming nor for building. That is to say that anytime we concentrate on what we've lost in our old life we become unproductive in our present life.

In Chapters 18 and 19, God is represented as an investigating magistrate responding to a complaint ("outcry") from mankind, rather than as an omniscient being acting of his own volition. He listens to and is persuaded by a plea in mitigation from Abraham. The initial judgment against Sodom is not absolute - it becomes absolute only when the men of Sodom attempt to associate the Being of God with their sexual practices through sexual communion with the angels of God. Recurrent symbols: the door of Abraham's tent, the gate of the city of Sodom, the door of Lot's house, the angels of God, are fraught with meaning. The "blindness" afflicted upon the men of Sodom has implications for our own age. However I remain puzzled by the incest of Lot. There is something we have missed there, yet to be uncovered in the commentaries.

If all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted was for Lot to reveal the identity of the strangers, he wouldn't have offered his virgin daughters instead of the strangers. They actually wanted to have sexual intercourse with the strangers. And they were destroyed because of their homosexuality.

@Jam,
Once you should try a bible with the NIV, NLT, NASB translations to sometimes better understand the KJB scriptures. Lot’s daughters were not married yet they were promised to these young men so he called them son-in-laws so yes they were still virgins until they had laid with Lot.

@Lak,
The daughters had just seen their world destroyed and assumed they were last remaining people on earth. That’s why they took upon themselves to do what they did.

@LAK,
In our time yes, there is incest.
But not in theirs, because the commandment banning incest came only very much later in Leviticus 18:
‘’ 6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.’’
And without the above law, we cannot talk of any incest in this particular case.
God bless you.

Doesn't anyone question the incest ????

My understanding is that the Hebrew word for "salt" can also translate as "vapor," which made me suspect that "Lot's wife" was vaporized by the holocaust. The destruction of that area was no small thing - it seems to have been equal to an atomic blast, which is why Lot and his family were told to get out "lest you be consumed." They weren't told, "You might get burned" or "You might get blown up." No, the danger was that they would be consumed ... and Lot's wife apparently was....

It is very obvious why Sodom was destroyed, as it was spelled out in concise language in Ezekiel.
"the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness"
Ezekiel 16:49
Taking any other proposed or assumed reason for the destruction of Sodom would contradict the Bible itself.

After the two daughters of Lot had slept with their father what happen to them

I am confused, Lot says his two daughters are virgins in verse 8, but by verse 14, he has sons-in-laws?

Lot's wife turned into salt because she did not follow the command the angels gave which was not to look back. We are warned not to look back, but to follow Jesus until he comes for us. Also Jesus told us to remember Lot's wife. Lot was saved because he obeyed, and his wife was left behind because she did not have faith in God.In order to please God we must believe his word and obey it.

This verse in the bible leaves me to question not so much is the WORD of God is true and fact, but more so of the interpretation of this verse. I say the same that in the scriptures salt has been used as a seasoning and preservation. So, how is it that in this verse that Lot's wife turned into a physcial pillar of salt? Or is that scripture meant in different translations that Lot's wife because of her looking back into the city of Sodom that she was preserved in her memory of what she was missing or loosing? I believe something happened to Lot's wife BUT did she actually turned into a HARD CONCRETE PILLAR STATUE or was she perserved as salt in her mind that she was consumed and turned back to look upon what she was going to miss as she departed the city of Sodom?

The men of Sodom did not likely realize that these
men were in fact angels. Its not clear if Lot knew at the time they arrived, either. Though obviously when they revealed their purpose to him, he would realize they were angels. The fact that Lot offered his daughters is reprehensible, but perhaps he knew these wicked men were not interested in women. The fact that they are described later as married, could simply be that they were betrothed and thus considered married. AS they still lived in the house with him, this seems likely. It could also be that they were in fact already married, but still virgins because their husbands were homosexual. The fact that they lay with their own father later, shows the moral degredation of living in such an evil place. As to the comment about Lots wife, the Bible is NEVER contradictory. It is divinely inspired word of GOD. Sometimes things get muddled in the translation, which is why its important to look at the original Hebrew and Greek text to get a better understanding of what is being said. Salt is frequently used in the bible to render ground unfruitful. Luke 14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

JimeeB- not quite sure how much more detail your looking for as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. I think its pretty clear....

I am in aggreance with Brother Chuck's comment about the salt. It's contradictory

Would like to omit previous conparison between Lot and his uncle both being liers. Sarah was his half sister. So I guess he was not a lier, just a coward.

19:8 Lot offers his 2 daughters which have not known man. 19:14 Lot spake unto his sons-in-law, which married his daughters. Either Lot was a lier like his uncle or his daughters were married and never had sex. If so, I am surprized they did not get their husbands drunk with wine and lay with them.

For lot to offer up his daughters to the people is to me incomprehensible , no matter what the reason.
That being said for his daughters to lay with him is also incomprehensible. As for the details of why Sodom and Gomorrah where destroyed perhaps the New Testament will shed light on this or perhaps it is just not of great significance.

Homosexuality wasn't anything new under the sun. Sodom and Gomorrah, though wicked and immoral, was not only destroyed for that reason. The men of these cities crossed the line when they attempted to rape the angels Lot was protecting. They were basically degrading and defiling divinity.

It is confusing to me that the Lord would use salt in the punishment of disobedience of Lot's wife in Gen. 19:26 since salt in the rest if scripture is a type for seasoning and preservation. Does the scripture use salt for another type that I am missing? Or does this verse demonstrate that salt is also a type for judgement?

what is the significance of Lot's wife becoming a pillar of salt..... I mean why salt ?

Let me get this straight. ...I'm born under a Celestial Dictatorship whose perfect even tho he fashionably designed me in filth n shame ..we are wretched creatures, BUT the universe was designed with me in mind lol NONSENSE ..NONSENSE

"I have a few friends who are musilm and I don’t pepkle bashing religion for no reason".

I also have many German friends as well but I am not a fan of the ideology of the "Third Reich"

To Stephen Horton's comment. I think you’re quite wrong. “Temptation to incest is primal - that is forever and constant” What!!! I never in my life saw any sibling or parent in this weird light you claim (even during my long dry spells). I believe incest only happens to people with screwed up minds. I’m not sure how your mind works Stephen but I can say majority of my friends don’t have the same mentality as you. If you do have these feelings, I think you may need to pray harder and see a shrink.
Incest only happens when there is a linage (see the royal family) or if there are mental.
Also can you explain the “Not so Islam.” Bit, don’t quite get it. I have a few friends who are musilm and I don’t pepkle bashing religion for no reason. If there is a verse that allows incest come and tell me (which I doubt). Contrary to your earlier response “incest prohibition to be the only common feature of all societies.”

I have found it instructive to take the Bible literally - that is at its word. The dreadful sin that caused the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is not named. All we know is "the sin is very grevious" & the people are not "righteous". In classic mythic procedure the text shows immediately the unmentionable sin in the survivors. In so doing it says the temptation to incest is primal - that is forever and constant - in operation always. I think contemporary incest scandals show this. In addition anthropological study has shown the incest prohibition to be the only common feature of all societies - through all space and all time. The Bible supports this notion - that's why the text is in Genesis - the begining, primal. The contemporary efflorescence of incest in the 'West' would then signify a degradation of the very foundations of society. Not so Islam.

THE TWO ANGELS - There were (3) three figures - The Third must have retuned to Heaven. For it is said the LORD rained down Fire and Brimstones from Heaven.

To Catholic Concordance's,
is that really the case? was not Moses parents brother and sisters?
I’m really finding it hard to understand as a lot of the Big Prophets or patriarch has some relation to incest or foul play. I only just started reading the bible and I understand some things while others I have no comprehension. If some1 could help me it would be appreciated.

To Kw's comment, do you believe in a god and if so are you in a religion?