If you read the Catholic Concordance the meaning of the passages regarding Lot and has daughters become clear. Incest is/was a sin, but textual examination has determined that the passages are a Hebrew inclusion made, in a derisive manner, to explain the origins of the Moabite and Ammon tribes. Both peoples were identical in appearance to the Israelites and shared the same common names, but the Israelites looked down upon the Moabites and Ammonites and wished to differentiate themselves. It would be like a wealthy, upper class Virginia family trying to explain why a trailer trash family 15 miles across the state line in West Virginia has the same last name - alcohol and incest.
What I don't understand is that people take this story so literally. If that's the case then you are calling God a liar. Of course incest is a sin. But the (parable) seems to say different. That's why you can't look on it literally. You have to view this as a working of God and until you can see what the (parable) actually means then all you are going to do is argue about it.
Mild Bill,
Thank you for your comments. So GOD punised the child from incest which were to become the nations of Moab and Ammonites. Then what about Phares and Zarah of Thmar. They were the child of incest begotten by Thamar made pregnant by Judah.
( Genesis 38:15-18)
Out of this incestuous relatioship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great grand father of JESUS CHRIST (may peace by upon him).
(Mattew 1:3)
So is this true justice. Why double standards in punishment. One being punished and another being honored. Why???
Mild Bill: If your God does such awful things like turning a woman into a pillar of salt and letting men have concubines and kill people at will because they don't obey him, he is not my God.
What is the ultimate truth? on Genesis 19 - 14 years ago
I can sense frustrations from some of the comments here, that is understandable. The biblical version lets one wonder and leaves room for doubts. The same incident if very clear and precise in AL QURAN. The first verses of QURAN claims, 'THIS IS A BOOK REVEALED WHEREBY THERE IS NO DOUBT'. Prophet Lot (May peace be on him) offered his daughter to his people in marraige, not to do hanky panky. The prophets were all people who were choosesn are were guided by GOD. Please read AL QURAN and GOD wiling your questions shall be answered.
God did not save Lot because he was holy. If you read chapter 18 you will understand that he saved Lot because of the intervention of Abraham. We all need a mediator to be saved. "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all."
If your god can't turn someone to a pillar of salt, then your god is too small to be Almighty God. She was specifically told,"escape for thy life", not to look back or stay in the plain or she would be consumed(die).
What makes you think God didn't condemn incest? Read my previous post and consider the judgement which came upon the people who were born from this incest.
Woman was made from Adams rib, flesh of his flesh, not from his feet to be beneath him and not from his head to be over him, under his arm for protection and near to his heart.
Unless you read carefully, you might always be unbelieving, get it?
The Angles told Lot to take his daughters and his wife and escape to the hills because they would destroy the city and to never look back. As they were leaving his wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt. This is totally unbelievable to me. The supernatural things that happen in the Bible I have a hard time dealing with. It’s like believing there are really Vampires, and we know there are no such things. Because she disobeyed by looking back on the city God turned her into a pillar of salt?? Why was that so bad?? She wanted to look at the city from where she came, but was punished severely for it. How is God so merciful and forgiving? It seems to me that God loved man, not woman. He made her so she could essentially be his slave, to cook and clean and provide for his every wishes. If man should be created equal, why not woman?
Question: If God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of the wickedness and sin people were committing, I assume it was the men because they are homosexuals, why doesn’t God think committing incest a sin at this time? Lot offered up his daughters to these sinful people. I don’t understand how that makes him so Holy in God’s eyes that he wants to save him. Oh, yeah. He didn’t know what he was doing because he was drunk. I call that selective blindness.
The moral is, God will judiciously judge the immoral and ungodly, at his convience. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a small picture of the judgement to come upon sinners. You judge those acts as immoral because God has given you an understanding of right from wrong.
The daughters of Lot sought to preserve their family and instead gave birth to two evil ungodly nations. I suspect the influence of living in Sodom shaped their immoral reasoning. God took them out of the city, but the city was still in their hearts. For years both Moab and Ammon served to pester and harass Israel, they too suffered the judgement which fell on Sodom and Gomorrah.
Zephaniah 2:8
I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of AMMON, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border.
Zephaniah 2:9
Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of AMMON as Gomorrah, [even] the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
i like how none of you commented on how all the men that surrounded lots house are gay. im 15 and i can see that thats why they "wanted" the two angels when lot offered his daughters he knew when would say no b/c they were gay.
I think the last statement of the commentary speaks volumes of God's nonacceptance of incest and drunkenness. Drunkenness makes a man forgetfull of God's commandments of behavior toward one's own children, thus forgetting the druk who sinned against his own daughters, to never be mentioned in the scriptures again.
Thank you for your comments. So GOD punised the child from incest which were to become the nations of Moab and Ammonites. Then what about Phares and Zarah of Thmar. They were the child of incest begotten by Thamar made pregnant by Judah.
( Genesis 38:15-18)
Out of this incestuous relatioship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great grand father of JESUS CHRIST (may peace by upon him).
(Mattew 1:3)
So is this true justice. Why double standards in punishment. One being punished and another being honored. Why???
God did not save Lot because he was holy. If you read chapter 18 you will understand that he saved Lot because of the intervention of Abraham. We all need a mediator to be saved. "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all."
If your god can't turn someone to a pillar of salt, then your god is too small to be Almighty God. She was specifically told,"escape for thy life", not to look back or stay in the plain or she would be consumed(die).
What makes you think God didn't condemn incest? Read my previous post and consider the judgement which came upon the people who were born from this incest.
Woman was made from Adams rib, flesh of his flesh, not from his feet to be beneath him and not from his head to be over him, under his arm for protection and near to his heart.
Unless you read carefully, you might always be unbelieving, get it?
The moral is, God will judiciously judge the immoral and ungodly, at his convience. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a small picture of the judgement to come upon sinners. You judge those acts as immoral because God has given you an understanding of right from wrong.
The daughters of Lot sought to preserve their family and instead gave birth to two evil ungodly nations. I suspect the influence of living in Sodom shaped their immoral reasoning. God took them out of the city, but the city was still in their hearts. For years both Moab and Ammon served to pester and harass Israel, they too suffered the judgement which fell on Sodom and Gomorrah.
Zephaniah 2:8
I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of AMMON, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border.
Zephaniah 2:9
Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of AMMON as Gomorrah, [even] the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.