Genesis Chapter 2 Discussion Page 11

Mark Padmore,

Adam and Eve did not need any type of covering because they had not sinned yet.

As angels of light, they were pure.

They were creations of God (i.e. no belly button / no parent)

The covering they may have put on was the 7 layers of membrane we call skin.

After they sinned, the adjustment of God's plan was made.

God is prepared for everything.

On Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Why did they have to be naked, didn't God have plan for multiplication of the human race before the disobedience and thereafter? Were mankind to be naked forever had they not disobeyed?

They did die. Every one dies because of that. They didnt die the minute they ate the fruit but later.

Dearest Brother,

May i ask for some clarification in the following please?

I know the name YAHUAH

also His Sons Name YAHUSHA

Kindly give me meanings of the Holy Names above as they are in Hebrew

likewise help me with the meanings of Halleloujah or Hallelouyah YAH or YAH meanings of YAH

Ruch Al Qudesh correct my spelling please

thank you once again.

Herman Dcouto

India

So they could have a choice.

Joseph in Charge of Egypt

41 So Pharaoh said to Joseph, "I hereby put you in charge of the whole land of Egypt." 42 Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph's finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck. 43 He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command,[a] and people shouted before him, "Make way[b]!" Thus he put him in charge of the whole land of Egypt.

44 Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, "I am Pharaoh, but without your word no one will lift hand or foot in all Egypt." 45 Pharaoh gave Joseph the name Zaphenath-Paneah and gave him Asenath daughter of Potiphera, priest of On,[c] to be his wife. And Joseph went throughout the land of Egypt.

46 Joseph was thirty years old when he entered the service of Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from Pharaoh's presence and traveled throughout Egypt.

Deuteronomy 11:26

"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deuteronomy 11:27

"A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:"

Deuteronomy 11:28

"And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known."

seems as though there inocence suffered/died because there eyes were open to things before not realized, purity died and all of a sudden oh oh i,m naked. death comes sometimes without lose of breathe

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Gen. 2:9 ...my question is, why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden? why would God allow it?

1 Corinthians 9:24-27

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run that you may obtain.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things, Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible.

I therefore so run, not as uncertainty, so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Luke 8:11

"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."

1 Peter 1:23

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Genesis 1:31

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Psalms 119:107

"I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word."

Genesis 3:14

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

2 Timothy 4:1

"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"

John 6:63

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

John 20:29

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

1Cor 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Luke 3:38

"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

Yes, An eternal soul in knowledge of a once known relationship with the Creator without light in eternal darkness without hope is hard to grasp. God in mercy as he clothed Adam and Eve in the hope of His Son who was at the beginning of Creation made a way of escape by the grace of Love.

Amen.

They died spiritually. Became like us; mortal. Adam lost the closeness that he had once. It's really tender how God made them clothing to take away their fig leaves. He covered them. God felt that pain of separation too. But looking way down through history, He saw His son dying and taking away the sins of mankind on his own body.

When we do sinful things: that pain we feel has to be taken to the Cross; so we can be restored.

Times in the past, I'd think, "well God has me covered, no big hurry to hit my knees."

But I learned by the silence from God, that I would do anything to restore the fellowship that bathed my soul in Light.

Darkness hurts.

Adam and Even didn't die? So, do you think they're still alive? Of course they died. They were immortal then after eating the fruit they became mortal and Adam died when he was 930 years old. The Bible didn't specify WHEN he would die, but he died just as God said. So, any assumption as to a timeframe is made up and not in the Bible, as the Bible never said it would be in 5 seconds, 5 minutes, hours, days, or even years. Even characters in the Bible themselves have endured huge patience in waiting on God like Abraham and Sarah. But God did exactly as he said. It just isn't necessarily within man's own arbitrary expectations of when they want things to happen.

In Genesis 2 God says not to eat from tree of knowledge or they would die. Later, when they do eat the fruit, they do not die. We know God is truth. So why did he say they would die?

The word Ethiopia is comprised of 2 words burnt and face so its meaning is "burnt faced" ie reddish-brown nothing derogatory about the name just the fact they were made from the reddish-brown dust of the earth.All of mankind are very beautiful if you look closely at each one and see the loving hand of our Heavenly Fathers in them.

What do you mean by burnt faces, people of color, because there are darl skin people in all of those countries. Just trying to understand were you going with this statement.

Facts:

1. Adam and Eve were immortal

2. They ate the forbidden fruit

3. They became immortal and died

Therefore what God said was true and what satan said was false.

The #1 problem is people assume a timeframe, but no timeframe is given nor implied. People tend to assume that someone dying will happen 'soon' within an arbitrary timeframe made up in their own mind, like within a couple seconds, or few minutes, or that day or the next few days. Then when what was stated doesn't match their arbitrary timeframe then they may draw conclusions from it. This is not the only part of the Bible where the assumption of a timeframe causes a conflict with people. Revelation 22:20 says Jesus will return soon. Has He? How soon is 'soon'? James 4:14 says your life is a vapour. If you live to be 100 years old are you still a 'vapour'? The answer is yes. God's perspective is very different than our perspective. Life is extremely short compared to eternity. Abraham and Sarah waited 25 years for the fulfillment of God's promise, so was God 'wrong' or was Abraham and Sarah wrong in their perspective and assumption of time? In all cases mankind is the one wrong in false assuming a timeframe when God makes a promise. Have a nice day!

Greg, That is the absolute best and most detailed explanation I have ever heard of the days of the death and resurrection of Christ. Never has anything been stated so clearly. Thank you. We should all commit this to memory. It is extremely valuable.

In Genesis 2:17 God tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they will surely die. They did not die. So, what are the possibilities?

1. They will be subject to death.

2. They will die Spiritually and be subject to Physical death.

3. God will not keep them alive forever.

Many argue that the reference is to an immediate Spiritual death and a subsequent physical death. Others, like St. Augustine and many of the Church Fathers, will say Adam and Eve were created subject to physical death anyway. But, as long as they obeyed God's commandments, they would not experience death and God would keep them alive forever.

Others insist Genesis must be interpreted literally and therefore, the meaning of Genesis 2:17 is they would die Spiritually and eventually die Physically. But if Genesis is to be taken literally, the passage has to be taken at face value. Dying can only mean Physical death. The verse doesn't say Spiritual death. It doesn't imply Spiritual death. And God never discussed Spiritual death. The passage, therefore, must be taken literally or allegorically. Which is it?

If it means physical, then it didn't happen and God was either wrong, or He meant something else. Could the same be said for other things in Genesis 1-3? How many things are there in Genesis 1-3 that can be taken allegorically, if any? Are there any metaphores? Similes? So, the verse is either literal or it is not.

The message of Genesis 1-3 is that God created everything. He created mankind. And Jesus was the object, the reason, the Purpose for Creation. God didn't create man so s/he could could be happy busy bees frolicking in the Garden. He created mankind and everything that exists, so Christ (God in the flesh) could enter creation to liberate it from sin, corruption and all manner of evil. And through the Death of Christ, to bring in Eternal Perfection, immortality, sinlessness.

Well developed arguments and comments are welcome.

Luke 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry

1 Peter 2:3

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded



15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Psalms 1:3

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Isaiah 61:3

"To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified."

Dear Brother,

Thank you so much for your painstaking moments to reply to my need. I am then sure our Yahusha rise from the grave some time during Sabbath, as He is Lord over the Sabbath.

Warm regards

Herman Dcouto

We know where Ethiopia is. Most of Africa and some parts of Asia was referred to as Ethiopia (people of burnt faces), Pison is the gold coast which includes most of west Africa (Ghana etc), and the other 2 rivers covers the Mesopotamia (Syria, Iraq etc). So Eden is a big place.

Dear Brothers and sisters, the truth is that Jesus died and arose from the dead on the third day. what is most important for man kind to know , understand and believe is that this act of love offered by God through Christ Jesus ensures salvation for all believers in Jesus Christ.

it is not the time and day of the week that saved mankind from destruction but the act of God through his son Jesus Christ.

Please refer to John 3:16-18.

Sincerely,

Leo.

Herman Dcouto,

Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)

Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)

Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.

Look at Matthew 12:40.

Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.

The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.

The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.

The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.

Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.

The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.

The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.

The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.

The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.

The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am

The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.

Dear Brothers

My specific question has not been addressed to. I am asking on which day of the week was Yahusha hung on the tree, and on what day of the week did He arise.

Please refer Mathew 12:40.

Very sincerely.

Herman

God gave man his main instructions, his symbol of authority, that is to manage the earth.

That's the way I heard it. I know people disagree about what day. Interesting, it was announced in the news this past week; that there is a movement calling for a WORLD CALENDAR.

That's going to mess with a lot of people.

I myself keep my focus on the fact that Jesus was tried and found guilty of blasphemy by the religious Pharisees and the Romans. He was scourged for it. Then later he was found guilty and ordered to be executed.

The Pharisees were so scared that Jesus might be resurrected (as He said he would) that the Pharisees asked Pilot to post Roman guards outside of Jesus's Tomb.

Somehow the guards got sleepy and took naps. They awoke to Mary Magdalene's shouting "He is Risen!".

The Roman guards are sorrowful to lose their prisoner (a corpse), and have to go tell Pilot.

It was a glorious Day for everybody! Better yet, People saw Jesus that day. That's how it got recorded into History. His Tomb is on display and it's EMPTY. Jesus was seen by over 500 people, in the days following.

His disciples saw Jesus as He ascended to Heaven.

Days don't really matter. What matters is that it all happened the way it has been recorded by Historians of that time in history = (His Story)

Dear Brothers & Sisters

Please expound on this scripture and tell me if Yahusha rose on the Sabbath or Sunday. Refer Mathew 12:40 if you agree on this then on what day was He hung on the Cross. On what day was He crucified?

regards

Herman

If you are confused, sometimes you just need to read on and you will see and your confusion will go away. Some times the bible is kind of like a movie that has flashbacks.

You can search and find all these rivers and all the lands they are in. Try bible maps. I could tell you but it will be more fun for you and help you by doing it yourselves.

compare and explain in which countries at present belongs to the rivers mention in genesis 2: 10 to 14.