Genesis Chapter 2 Discussion Page 34

Bill, I take Genesis 2 literally, but it is probably not the best place to start if you feel you have lost your religion. Religion is by definition repetition, and that is not something we would invariably need. We need Someone who loves us, and I find that best defined in the Gospel of John. Genesis is hard to believe unless you can accept God as being so amazing that He can actually do all that. It's hard to accept that unless you have felt it in your life, but keep on looking. God speaks to us all differently, and if you seek Him, you will find Him.

I started to re-examine my loss of religion. I thought what better place to start than reading the bible. I've read 2 chapters and have to say that I'm not sure this book will rekindle an awaking in me. To be accepted as literally true, is to hard for me to accept. I'll keep reading and maybe it will be more convincing. Maybe, I am interpreting it wrong. Should I be taking it literally or should I be accept it as an allegory?

I found the answer in Wikipedia:

Two stories or one?

Until the latter half of the 19th century Genesis 1 and 2 were seen as one continuous, uniform story with Genesis 1:1–2:6 outlining the world's origin, and 2:7–2:25[19] carefully painting a more detailed picture of the creation of humanity. Modern scholarship, citing (1) the use of two different names for God, (2) two different emphases (physical vs. moral issues), and (3) a different order of creation (plants before humans vs. plants after humans), believes that these are two distinct scriptures written many years apart by two different sources, chapter 1 by the Priestly source and chapter 2 by the Jahwist, with the bridge the work of a "redactor", or editor

... surely man had already been created in Genesis 1, verse 26. What's going on here?

Why does the order of creation change as we move from Genesis 1 to Genesis 2. It does rather beg the question as to which of the two accounts is true?

verse 16 cannot be used to justify the use of just anything as a personal and legitimate right, because verse 9 says that it was "every tree that is good for food". As neither opium poppies or marihuana are trees, coca-leaves and other forms of drug use generally is not "food" i.e. nourishment, you can't prove from verse 16 that these things were even in the Garden or that you have a God-given right to take drugs; -especially not when you see what else the Bible has to say on the matter.

God designed and created the human body as the crowning touch of creation, to be wholesome and beautiful. This prime delight of God is obviously what the enemy would try hardest to disgrace as a slander to the artist. He would make religious people think the body is vile and unclean, to be hidden from public view; After establishing prohibition, he then presents the female form as an attraction that he himself has to offer. He is now able to add corrupted desires to defile the pure purpose of God. Instead of preaching the new pure life that believers have in Jesus, organized religion agrees with the devil and has outlawed the appreciation of God's creation. This opens the door for the enemy to make it teasingly attractive. Prohibition doesn't work; make a rule and that is exactly what people want to do. The strength of sin is the law ( 1 Cor. 15:56). We need the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, not religious laws. There are established Christian Nudist organizations successfully emphasizing purity in Jesus and an appreciation for God's creation. Religion has thrown the baby out with the bath water and created a monster to the advantage of God's enemy. I've been to clothes-free camps, and discovered that the tease game is over and pure thoughts prevail; these are just real people. When we hide a part, curiosity has a toe hold. However,to win others to Jesus we will have to conform to the standards of our society. The Apostle Paul says, "I am made all things to all men that I might by all means save some ( 1 Cor. 9:22). In order to satisfy other Christians, I have not pursued my freedom in Christ. May our Lord grant discernment and bless you all.

This is where God commanded Adam And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Before I begin let me say that God hath made 7 dispensation meaning God made different time of salvation and for every time, there was salavtion as I explain thru the knowledge of God wherein God commanded Adam to freely eat all the fruits in the garden, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day you eat of it, you will surely die.

So man disobeyed God when they eat the fruit of good and evil they died on that day because 1,000 years is ONE DAY FOR THE LORD. But before God remove them from the garden, He didn't let them go out without changing their dress, God put them with a SKIN OF ANIMALS which is the SKIN of the LAMB, THE TYPE AND SHADOWS TO COME, meaning this is where God will take place his salvation to mankind. The SKIN OF THE LAMB represent the BLOOD OF CHRIST to be SHED UPON (Heb.9:22) Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.

The Skin covering of Adam & Eve representing what God will do to remove the CURSE (DEATH) which came into the world by ONE MAN, and so SIN entered the world, and DEATH passeth to ALL MEN, for ALL HAVE SIN. ( Romans 5:12) We are all BORN SINNERS IN THE SIGHT OF GOD ( Psalms 51:5) There is none righteous, no not anyone in the sight of God. ( Romans 3:10)

The only solution for this CURSE that we INHERITED IS THRU RECONCILIATION BY OBEDIENCE THRU GOD'S WORD, THRU IMMERSION BY BAPTISM IN WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS, AND YOU SHALL RECEIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ( Acts 2:38-39), wherein you will clothed with Christ, and we will be buried thru his death thru baptism, that is why Galacians 3:27= All have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Because there is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, and ONE BAPTISM (Ephessians 4:5) There is only ONE GOD and he is the ALPHA, the OMEGA the BEGINNING and END ( Revelation 1:8)
He is the IMAGE OF THE INVICIBLE GOD ( Colossians 1:15) He is the ONE True GOD that was manifest in the FLESH ( 1 Timothy 3;16) He is the True God and eternal LIFE ( 1 John 5:20) And He will be SOON COMING IN THE CLOUDS FOR HIS BRIDE (The Church) Titus 2:13) ( Matthew 16:18-19) For there is no other name in heaven whereby we must be saved ( Acts 4:12) He is the messiah that the Israelites until now still waiting for Him to come, but doesnt understand this Messiah is already came back to heaven in His throne as God Spirit ( John 4:24) To God be the glory in Jesus Christ name, amen.

Godbless you all

At one point man did knew nothing but life.
Once he ate from the tree, he had the knowledge of the angels. In the image of GOD he was created. At that point his position as an angel was lossed and he was cast out. He was cast to the earth, as SATAN was cast IN the earth. Man no longer was protected with the HEAVENLY HOST but allowed SIN to do what SIN do - KILL and DESTROY. (sin = Satan)

All the angels and hell were finished.

Once again, These were the generations "GENERATIONS" in the DAY the Lord GOD created. not in the 24 hours. - once again emphasis on more than a 24 hour period "GENERATIONS"

SEVENTH DAY - THEIR HAS BEEN SEVERAL CALENDARS - SINCE THE TIME OF CHRIST - PEOPLE USE SUNDAY AS THEIR DAY OF REST - SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST HAS THEIR BELIEFS, BUT GOD WANTED EVERYDAY TO BE A HOLY DAY UNTO THE LORD. - THATS WHY GOD SAYS "mens wisdom is foolishness to HIM" - The seventh day was a message - "Since you do not know what day I SANCTIFIED - SO THAT YOU WON'T BE WRONGE, EVERYDAY SHOULD BE A HOLY DAY. - THAT WAY YOU WON'T BE WRONGE.

I would like for people to use the term "ceaseth" from HIS work. Otherwise, people would look as GOD as in somewhat as with human trates. GOD DO NOT GET TIRED - SO WHY WOULD HE REQUIRE "rest"

Is it OK to surmise a little? A tree seems to be a natural structure that bears fruit (desirable outcome). The two trees that are named seem abstract from what we normally think of as trees. Maybe, some of the other trees were also symbolic. In Galatians 5:22, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, and more. Might there have been a tree of love etc. in the garden of Eden? God commanded them not to eat (partake) of the tree of knowing (experiencing) both good and evil. It does seem that God had already offered them every good that he created for them to have, so I don't know why He would now forbid kmowing good along with evil. This test seems to continue even today. In Deut. 30:19, God says, "I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live". In all areas of life, God wants us to have the ultimat of good, not trouble and misery. Jesus came that we could have life in abundance ( Jn. 10:10). It is an enemy that is intent to kill, steal, and destroy, as with Eve. Lets be fully devoted to the good shepherd.

genesis 2:7 john 1:4 genesis 2:16-17 here is the problem, man was for warned genesis 2:28 that we [have] dominion over the earth & every thing on it.with the blessing of GOD. THEY WERE INSTRUCTED genesis 2:16. genesis 3:1 our adversary makes them question GODS word,with doubt comes fear,if we are not GOD centerd we are self centerd apart from GOD man is void.

The words know & knowledge often refer to an intimate relationship with a condition or person rather than information in ones memory, i.e. Cain knew his wife and she conceived. Also, God didn't say knowledge about, but knowledgee of good and evil. Now, they already knew good at its best, but God didn't want his creation project to experience evil. The Heb. word for evil is "RA" and is also translated to 29 other words in the Bible, such as trouble, distress, sick and other conditions of misery. Rom. 8:22 says "The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain". Is this the result the first humans choosing to partake of evil. There are also some difficulties with this interpretation.

The words"know" & "knowledge" in the Bible often denote an intimate experience rather than information in ones memory, ie "Cain knew his wife and she conceived". Also notice that our verse 17, says "knowledge of" and not knowledge about good and evil. What Adam knew/experienced up till now was only good, very good. The Heb. word for evil (RA) is also translated into 29 other English words such as: trouble, distress, sick, and calamity. "Evil" indicates dreadful misery rather than forbiden delight, as the devil would have us believe. My personal interpretation of this v. 17, is that God was directing goodness for his creation project. He didn't want a painful ruin to overtake it.

Genesis 2:7 when talking about this man, this man has the article,( eth ) so, its eth ha Adham, and with the Article it denotes Thee Man Adam, till the soil. Adam without the Article. Just ha, is speaking of human as in mankind. So, its to say like this, that the Adam which Christ would come from or as it will say, He was the son of Adam or be called the son of Adam is because it would be This Adam. Now the man created in chapter 1:27 Adam without the article is mankind in general. With the article denotes, Thee Man Adam, this one! The most specific is with the article And particle ( eth ) and when we have eth it is very emphatic. We are talking about, Thee Man, this one, someone who is ste aside here. The Hebrew tongue, grammar helps use see that this thee man is the one Christ would come from..just a thought. I think I read this from the companion Bible by E.W.Bullinger, anyway, its in my notes.

To: Patriciaagbinor, If the trinity was comleted as you say, how does that correlate to Him being the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end?
If the trinity is a viable theory how can They being as one be completed in genesus?

To Michael's comment on 5-24-10. give scriptual references to your statement on Adam's creation on the 8th day. Just saying it is so does not make it truth.

How do you tie the days of genesus chpt 1 & 2 to 2 peter 3:8?

I have heard many misquote verse 18. For example: A wife was pestering her husband about something, justifying what she was doing by saying she was just being his help-mate. The word after help in verse 18 is "meet", not "mate". Meet is an adjective, meaning suitable. Mate is a noun meaning the same thing as help. So, the words .. help meet.. from verse 18 literally mean ..mate that is suitable for..

How is it not grammatically correct?

Maybe the mist is symbolic of how Gods Perfect creation was hidden? He had already made everything and he said it was good.

Question,what is the geography(topography)of the eden,the garden God made (within or outside of eden?! and the position of the rivers with respect to "the eden" and with respect to "the garden"?

In answer to Dave:

The clue is in 2:4, as this verse states that the chronological order of creation has been vaguely explained, and the detailed description of these events are to follow.

Many people still believe that man was created on day six, and "Ha - Adam" on day eight, when verse 4 is simply the seperation between the synopsis and the the detailed accounts.
As anyone can see the so called 8th day is never mentioned, as both descriptions refer to the same instance of events.

When you study the Bible use a dictionary a good one and look up words like the word... rest... it has different meanings. Maybe you are using the wrong meaning...and to the beginners ask for Gods help he will guide you in wonderful ways... But always look very closely at each word/ it says every jot and tittle is very important, because the bible is written by direction of the Holy Spirit...it is Gods words not mens...as for the term ...in this day and age....we will never catch up to Gods mind ... He is so far above us and always will be....remember these are His words not mens no matter who ,or when it was written.... so trust it,, and always use the King James version,,,,it is the closest to the original text and was labored over to be correct. some versions are so changed it is a crime..

when you study the Bible use a dictionary and look up words like the word... rest... it has different meanings. maybe you are using the wrong meaning...and to the beginners ask for Gods help he will guide you in wonderful ways... But always look very closely at each word/ it says every jot and tittle is very importane. because the bible is written by direction of the Holy Spirit...it is Gods words not mens...as for the term ...in this day and age....we will never catch up to Gods mind he is so far above us and always will be....remember these are His words not mens no matter who ,are when it was written.... so trust it,, and always use the King James version,,,,it is the closes to the original text and was labored over to be correct. some versions are so changed it is a crime..

Verse 4 applies to the previous story.

In verse 5 "before" doesn't mean earlier, it means in front of; the (seeds of the) plants and herbs are ready to go.

In verse 6 we get clouds and rivers so Nature kicks off.

On the 6th day God created people in general and put them at the top of the food chain.

In Ch2 verse 7 he creates THE man called Adam and the rest of the Bible is about his descendants - ie the Jews and the Moslems.

We know there are other people around because in Ge 4:17 Cain "lies with" one of them, and after that it's a free-for-all.

OK, once again confused...here it seems that animals were made first in the last chapter, but here man was made then animals to make him not so lonely? I am reading this for the first time as an adult and giving it an open mind. But it is making less sense to me. I would like a scholarly explanation. I am feeling a bit let down as a learned man now that these old readings make less sense to me. There are comments here by those that are completely loyal of the words regardless of the logical meanings, and good for them. But if a scholar could justify the discrepencies, and explain in a way that doesn't say that god is right and that is it, I would appreciate it. In this day and age God is as God is not a valid argument to me.