Genesis Chapter 3 Discussion Page 14

Eve and the Serpent

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that OLD SERPENT old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Was Eve really talking to a snake or with that OLD SERPENT who had been around for a long time?

(Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God)

Ezekiel Chapter 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the ANOINTED anointed (angel) cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast CREATED created, till iniquity was found in thee.

(Created, not born shows this is an angel)

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy BEAUTY beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Eve was possibly speaking to a beautiful creature who wished harm upon the Lord and all his creation.

Jim, I've always understood that verse to indicate that the serpent was classified & seen as the other animals 'of the field', & not necessarily the location that he was found in, in his encounter with Adam & Eve.

What does intrigue me is what did this serpent look like in his un-cursed state ( Gen 3:14)? We know 'it' was an animal, but apparently had the power of speech as Satan occupied its body, & was unlikely to be in the form of a snake, as we know it. And Adam & Eve showed no surprise that an animal would be able to talk to them: did other animals talk, or did they not know that this serpent was a 'one-off' & had a special gift of speech? I wonder what a serpent in this account actually looked like? Was it already a long, thin animal that moved in an upright manner? Too many questions that come to mind: we can only wonder & speculate. It was only after the curse, that it began to slither on its belly.

What can be made of the fact the serpent was "of the field" and not the Garden?

Read the scriptures ,in them you will find eternal life. Depending on the wisdom of others who are outside the will of God is not His will. Study to show thyself approved. In all your ways acknowledge Him and he will guide your path.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed for men once to die then after this the judgment. When we are in Christ, the bible says that we are new creatures,created in Him. Romans 14;8 For whether we live,we live unto the lord. Whether we die we die unto the lord.Whether we live or die we are the lords. God is the God of the living not the dead. There is no fear in perfect love. Colossians 3: 1-4 Set your affections on things above,not on things of the earth. For ye are dead and your life is hid in Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears then shall ye also appear with Him in GLORY!

Hello, people who believe that often cite: Philippians 1:23, 2 Corinthians 5:8, and Luke 23:43. However, in my opinion these verses don't clearly state we go to heaven immediately, and there's actually far more verses saying we don't. For example, it says there will be a day of judgment Matthew 12:36, so clearly, people aren't going to skip that. It wouldn't make sense for people to go to heaven/hell before they're judged. Also, it clearly says we will be in 'sleep' before Jesus returns then the dead will rise to be judged. Daniel 12:2 So, it wouldn't make sense for people to go to heaven/hell, then return for a body, THEN be judged, etc. Also, no one judged before Jesus comes. 1 Cor 4:5

I'm ashamed that I don't know where to go to show this in the Bible.. but I have been taught and believe that when the saved in Christ die their souls go immediately to be with Jesus (as He told the thief on the cross "you shall be in Paradise with Me today." Our bodies remain here in the grave or cremated or whatever happened to the body and when Christ comes back it is resurrected and changed and made like His and our souls are in that new created body.

God didn't deny Adam and Eve from eating of the tree of life. But they choose the tree of good and evil.

I don't know but I think we go to a place called paradise to wait to be judged.

I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior 20 years ago, but a friend asked me a question her question was that when we die do we go to heaven or do we have to wait till Jesus comes back and raises the dead first to go

Abel-The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life Romans 6:23. All of the incidents you have mentioned are consequences of the actions of those you mentioned. Why did God send a flood to destroy the whole earth? Genesis 6:5-7, why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Genesis 13:13 The men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord. If you look up the story of each incident you will find that the people were not obedient to God therefore the Lord had them destroyed as to not continue spreading sin, this is no different today, the earth will be destroyed at the second coming because we humans are not obeying Gods law.

If God has omniscience (knowing all things), both past and future, did he not already know beforehand that Adam and Eve would take fruit from the Tree of Knowledge? Did he not already know that the snake would tempt Eve? Therefore, did he not doom Adam and Eve to commit the first sin by placing them in the garden anyways, despite all of this knowledge? How can it be said that they had free will, if it is already known by God and thus already determined in His knowledge?

To Abel concerning Genesis 3; if you had read on just a little more.
Genesis 4:25 it says that EVE bore Adam another child: named Seth. Just a little further on you see Adams death age, followed by Seths age at death. God was carefully overseeing the blood trail that would lead to the birth of Jesus. None of it was by chance/circumstance. Jesus came into the world. Both Joseph and Mary were descendants of king David. Jesus's blood must be pure from sin. His blood came from the Father. He only had Gods dna. That's why his blood was so unique. He must walk this world 33 years without sin. He called himself. "The Son of Man. "

Should people who commit moral crimes not be accountable for it? Let's say someone severely hurt you or your loved one, would you not want justice? Adam and Eve sinned against God which they were told in advance what the punishment was. Sure enough they sinned anyway which created mortality for all mankind. Now everyone dies regardless, just timing is the only undetermined factor. And when people were extremely wicked and doing nonstop evil and oppressing each other 24/7 with violence, rape, orgies, mass murder, basically creating a hell on earth before Jesus saved everyone, at times God did punish them by taking their lives early.

Did not God himself commit and approve of many genocides? God killed everyone on Earth except for Noah's family in the Great Flood; God killed every inhabitant of Sodom and Gomorrah by raining hellfire down on them; God ordered the death of the Philistines by the Israelites when the Israelites marched outside their wall. God even guaranteed the deaths of Adam, Eve, and all of their descendants by explicitly denying them the ability to eat from the tree of life (simply because God did not want them to "live forever"). Did not God create death, as he created all things?

So, if God intended for us to live without clothes to cover our bodies, and only through humanity's first sin (eating the apple) do we clothe ourselves, then why are Christians today so against being unclothed? Is not the unclothed body the ultimate expression of God, since we were made in his image?

One of satan's greatest tricks is to convince others he doesn't exist and that he doesn't deceive people into choosing sin. 'No one will ever find out', 'if I don't do it, someone else will', 'what happens here, stays here', 'it won't hurt anybody', or 'they deserve it'. These types rationalizations are used to commit sin from stealing a penny to committing mass murder. Satan deceived from the beginning and still does today.

subtil: Sly; artful; cunning; crafty; insinuating; as a subtil person; a subtil adversary.

Genesis 3:1 maybe the emphasise is more on his nature of deception.

Same here.

God commands fathers and husbands to be the spiritual leaders of the family and yet there are so many husbands and fathers that are weak and feeble and expect the wife and mom to rule spiritually. It goes back to Adam. My own husband is this way and it makes me very sad. I pray God has mercy on our souls..

No the women still are in the same position, just the men has the authority over the women God doesn't change that doesn't mean that women can't have a relationship with God, Women in this day still believe the same lie.. they want to be like men, And the men still weak and lazy don't understand their role a a godly men,

A talking snake? I did see a dog once that could say I want my momma.

so Adam and eve had to leave, that they want interfere with the tree of life in the garden, because of sin, in Revelation 22 2 and verse 14 say that only those that do this commandments has a right to the tree of life to live on forever.

What is "LORD" has there been a change here for God.

We do have a choice. Adam and Eve had a choice. God didn't tell them not to eat the tree of life but not to eat the tree of good and evil. Now we have a choice. We can either eat of the tree of good and evil or the tree of life, which is Christ.

God walked and talked with Adam. He had no relationship with Eve. Eve received any and all instructions from Adam that didn't change until the death of Christ. Women, in the last century, women have received voice.

This is very nice to talk about. and you are right about this and your website is great so I just wanted to tell you that just so that you know that reading the Bible is wrong when it is write. The question is who would think reading it is bad?

Heather, check Gen 2:22--God made woman and took her to Adam--Eve DID know God.

Eve didn't know God Adam did. Adam knew and did it anyway while Eve didn't.