Genesis Chapter 3 Discussion Page 26

Part 1 of 3 Hello Insight 777 The reason why man cannot see the Garden of Eden or the tree of life is because it is in a realm in which we cannot see it. There is a spirit realm in which God and his angels dwell that we do not see, unless God allows us. If God did not want Adam and Eve to get back into the Garden of Eden then why would he allow his descendants to go there? The reason why God did not allow man in the first place to stay in the garden was because now man knew good and evil and God did not want him living forever with this knowledge, Genesis 3 22. Eden and the Tree of Life is in Heaven, the realm that we do not see, Revelation 22 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations . This is the same tree of life that was in the garden, Genesis 2 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil .

The tree of Life is Jesus

So he drove out the man and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. If one believes the story is literal and not a parable, where is EDEN? The earth is real, man and woman are real and I believe cherubims are real. God did not destroy Eden but instead placed Cherubims to protect it, so if Eden is a real place then man should be able to see it today from a distance. The cherubims would also be visable. In Ezekiel 28 12 19 the prophet Ezekiel the "son of man " sets down God 's word against the king of Tyre the king was the "seal of perfection ", adorned with precious stones from the day of his creation, placed by God in the garden of Eden on the holy mountain as a guardian cherub. But the king sinned through wickedness and violence, and so he was driven out of the garden and thrown to the earth, where now he is consumed by God 's fire The Eden in Ezekiel appears to be located in Lebanon by some scholars. Juris Zarins believes that the Garden of Eden was situated at the head of the Persian Gulf, where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers run into the sea, from his research on this area using information from many different sources, including Landsat images from space. However, even from space there is no area seen on earth unoccupied by man, full of trees and animals, that is surrounded by cherubims with flaming swords. It is my belief that Eden symbolically represents the Earth at Peace. Man, sinning by turning away from God, began to tell lies, placing blame where it did not belong. Adam did not want to take responsibility for his wrongdoing. The peaceful harmony of Eden, Earth at Peace, can not exist with men that do not tell the truth. So the earth will never be at peace until the return of Jesus because there are instruments of war, represented by the cherubims, protecting Peace. It is ironic that on earth now Peace is protected by War or the threat of it and Life by Death.

Hello Insight 777 I would like to make a correction. Adam did not have to eat off of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam chose to eat off of the tree. He chose to follow his wife and disobey God. Then after their eyes were opened and God asked them who told them that they were naked, Adam started playing the blame game. He immediately stated that the woman that God gave him gave him to eat. If I can say it like this, Adam blamed God first for given him Eve, and then he blamed Eve for given him the fruit. He passed the buck before claiming that he ate it. God had commanded them not to eat off of the tree of good and evil. They both disobeyed the word of God. In the end, they both had a choice to either say no or yes, especially after the one who created them told them not to eat off of that tree.

Eve was the first to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil because Eve represents the mother of GENERATIONS. Eve represents future life of mankind through birth. The knowledge of good and evil is advanced knowledge that should only belong to God. This advanced knowledge was not immediately attained by man, it grew over the GENERATIONS of Mankind, over the centuries. To procreate these generations of people, Adam also had to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil . This knowledge is often used for good as new methods are discovered to heal the sick for example. However, the miracles of knowledge are also used in evil ways such as the building of advanced killing machines and new methods of war with nuclear bombs. This is knowledge that should only belong to GOD not man.

Hello Everyone First let me say this, the Bible is broken up into seven dispensations of time. God has always had one way of salvation under each dispensation. These passages of scriptures fall up under the First Dispensation which is Innocence. This begins with the creation of Adam and is extended to the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. The salvation for man at this time was that he, Adam, was not to eat off of the tree of knowledge of good and evil for in that day he should surely die. Adam and Eve were free individuals that were in a state of innocence. They had the power of choice, whether or not to obey God. They chose to disobey God s commandment or his word. Before the end of this dispensation we find that Eve was tempted to eat of the tree by the serpent Satan . She ate of the forbidden fruit and then gave her husband, Adam, and he ate also. Then their eyes were opened to the fact that they were naked, Genesis 3 10. Judgment on sin was made and they were driven out of the Garden of Eden.

In addition to my 3 part response, I do not know why God did not kill the serpent this is a question only God can answer. If we go with the fact that the serpent was Satan then he cannot die. Remember he was an angel in heaven with a beautiful voice. Therefore, we can only deduce it was not time for him to be put away. He will meet his end later during the tribulation period, Revelation 20 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years . Revelation 20 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever .

Part 3 of 3 Why did God put the tree there? Once again I do not know. Satan exploited Eve s words against her and lied. God does see everything. Proverbs 15 3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good . One can only deduce that God wanted to see how obedient they would be to his word? Like now, God is watching everything. He gave man a free will to make good decisions and yet man has felled time and time again. God does not want to force anyone to follow him or his word. He wants you to freely follow him and obey his word. However, if you do not there will be consequences. Sow a man soweth that shall he also reap, Galatians 6 7. Woe unto those who are left during the tribulation.

Part 2 of 3 I do not know why God did not forgive them right then and there. This is an answer only God himself can answer. However, I will tell you this we are up under Grace because back then in the Old Testament, God did not play around. When he said do something and you did not do it in many cases he punished with a vengeance. Thank God for mercy and grace now.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Russel2709 Adam was responsible for teaching Eve his wife about the Word of God. Adam told Eve what God has stated. This is a type and shadow of us today. God has put in his word what we are to do to be saved. He has endowed men and women to teach the people. If they do not obey, just like Eve and Adam then they will suffer the consequences of their actions. Eve disobeyed God s word, whether God told her directly or not the word was still God s word. She disobeyed the rules. You are right Adam could have turned down Eve, but he did not. One might deduce that he loved her. She came from him. She was a part of his very being. What do some people do for love? You see it today, how crazy people can get for love. This is why now you have to save yourself from this untoward generation Acts 2 40.

The word seed in the old Hebrew language is translated into the word Zera. It has many meanings depending on the sentence structure and usage. The word you are quoting is from the Greek language. Zera means offspring, sowing, ** virile, and others. However, they both mean descendants. This is not saying that the people, who include all races, that all the bad people are begotten by Satan, in a natural sense. This is saying that those who perpetuate evil are the instruments of Satan. Sometimes it is not Satan it is individuals who decide to do wrong. Remember when Adam ate off of the tree of knowledge of good and evil then every man and woman mind was opened up to evil thoughts. Sometimes as people we are just subject to doing evil without the help of Satan. In the end, if you follow evil then you are following Satan. If you follow good then you are following God. How you enhance that goodness is through Acts 2 38.

Also concerning Matthew 13 36 through 44, these passages of scriptures are expounding on the wheat and the tare that grow together. Jesus Christ is Omniscient. He knows everything. If you read verse 30 it states that He will do the separating. This is talking about the Last Judgment. Those that are saved will go to Heaven and those who are not saved will go to the second death which burneth with fire and brimstone. Everyone has sinned and come short of the Glory of God. This does not mean they are begotten by Satan. Have you ever done wrong in your life? Have you lied? Even a white lie is a lie. A fabrication of the truth is a lie? These are all attributes of Satan. He is the father of lies. So if you have lied are you begotten of Satan, in the natural sense? This is not a flesh war. This is a spiritual warfare. This is not through carnal means. 2 Corinthians 10 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds The war is between God and Satan. Satan is trying to take as many with him as he can. We are in Gods army trying to stop him through preaching the Word of truth.

God told Adam not to eat of the tree he never said this to Eve. So why punish Eve? She did not force feed her husband the food. He could have said no. God never said "Woman you can not eat of the tree ". God is all forgiving so why did he not forgive them then and there. Why did he also have the temptation there in the first place? Why was he not watching his children and kill the serpent as soon as it tempted?

One last thing to everyone concerning Cain, if Satan had begotten Cain then why would his mother make the statement about the Lord for the birth? This is something to think about.

Also concerning Matthew 13 36 through 44, these passages of scriptures are expounding on the wheat and the tare that grow together. Jesus Christ is Omniscient. He knows everything. If you read verse 30 it states that He will do the separating. This is talking about the Last Judgment. Those that are saved will go to Heaven and those who are not saved will go to the second death which burneth with fire and brimstone. Everyone has sinned and come short of the Glory of God. This does not mean they are begotten by Satan. Have you ever done wrong in your life? Have you lied? Even a white lie is a lie. A fabrication of the truth is a lie? These are all attributes of Satan. He is the father of lies. So if you have lied are you begotten of Satan, in the natural sense? This is not a flesh war. This is a spiritual warfare. This is not through carnal means. 2 Corinthians 10 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds The war is between God and Satan. Satan is trying to take as many with him as he can. We are in Gods army trying to stop him through preaching the Word of truth.

Part 2 of 2 Think about it like this. Cain, Abel, and Seth were not the only children that Adam and Eve had. None of the other children are mentioned. The wives that Cain and Seth and others got and knew sexually were sisters, granddaughters, nieces, cousins who are girls, aunts. See for so long people have attributed to one race of beings coming from Cain. This is why they are not seen as humans. However, the Bible clearly states that Adam begot Cain. Genesis 4 1 And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord . This scripture is very clear. Adam knew Eve. This is a sexually experience. Adam had already known Eve because she was gotten from his rib and then he named her. So this experience being talked about here is a sexually one. The Eve the mother of Cain said out of her own mouth I have gotten a man from the Lord. She recognizes that God had blessed her to conceive and bare a son. The word begot means to bring into being. I have not read or found anywhere in the Bible where Satan begot anybody through sexually means. Have YOU?

Part 1 of 2 Hello Katie The reason why Cain is not mentioned here in Genesis Chapter 5 is because the lineage is focused on Seth. After Seth begot Enos this is when men began to call on the name of the Lord. Remember after Adam ate off of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then man s consciousness was opened up to evil and good. Cain slew Adam not because he was Satan s child, but because his consciousness was now open to evil doings. There are plenty of people in all races some are good and some are bad. Does this mean that Satan begot all the bad people? Evil is Evil. Because man has a choice to do good or to do evil Cain decided to do evil. Have you yourself always acted in good faith or have never done anything wrong? Then if you have done something wrong are you a product of Satan?

Evangelist Chatauna Robinson. Even satans soul belongs to God. SO yes all souls belong to God. If Cain was not a child of satan then why isn 't cain listed in Adams genealogy in Genesis 5? Because He isn 't. He is listed under Eves... because eve was his mother but not adamns...because adam wasn 't his father. If satan doesn 't have any seed in the world then who is Christ talking to in John 8 42 48. Now you are refuting Christs words. Also If you read the Parable of the tares you will learn a great mystery if you dig deeper, in Matthew chapter 13 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good SEED in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? The word SEED in the manuscripts is SPERMA which is the offspring,children, you can guess exactly what that word means. I want this comment to go through and I am afraid if I write the real word of what sperma is it wont be allowed to go through. Just take the A off the word and you have the correct word. It is the product of sperma the offspring and children. So the people planting these seeds are the devil and the tares are the offspring of the devil. In verse 24 it is also sperma those sowing the GOOD SEED is the Son of Man. The good seed is the Children of God and the tares are the offspring of satan. See Verse 36 42 of Matthew 13 where Christ explains the Parable. The word seed in those verses is also sperma.

Hello Jermaine I do not understand how you really feel about this scripture. However, Ephesians 5 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself . A man should love his wife as much as he loves himself. 1 Corinthians 7 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence and likewise also the wife unto the husband .

whatever God says is law

Hello Peter Are you allergic to wheat? However, the Bible never states what type of fruit that was on the forbidden tree. All we know is that it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Wheat. The forbidden fruit. Did you really believe that it was an apple? Life is sweat without wheat!

Part 3 of 3 There is nowhere in the Bible where it states that Satan begot anybody. Also, what are you going to do with the scripture that says all souls belong to God? Ezekiel 18 3 As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel, Behold, all souls are mine as the soul of the son is mine the soul that sinneth, it shall die . Also would Satan be listed in the lineage of this people? Think about this, all of the people before the flood died in the flood except Noah and his family which numbered 8 people. There was only eight people alive after the flood. 1 Peter 3 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water . None of Cain s people lived. I did not read in the lineage of Noah where Cain or Satan was there.

Part 2 of 3 I know that many people over the years have attributed Cain s birth to Satan because they wanted a certain group of people to be from that group, but the truth of the matter is Satan did not begot Cain. If you say this then you are calling the Bible a lie. Because in Genesis 4 1 it states And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord . Think about, he had already known her and named her. So this means that he knew her sexually. Then Adam said I have gotten a man from the LORD . Who is the LORD? GOD is the LORD. So how can anyone continue to say that Cain was begotten of Satan? Also Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible under the direction of God. I am sure that if Satan had begotten anybody then God would have let it be written.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Sam, Satan did not say that they would be like the gods he stated that they would be like gods. This is totally different. There is only one God. Man throughout the history of the world has created many Gods to worship however God only winked at that stuff. There has always been and always will be One God. In Acts 17 verses 28 thru 30 Paul is teaching them that do not think that the Godhead is what man makes it out to be it is not graven by art and man s devices example, many gods, graven images, frogs, trees, sun worship during this time God winked at however now we are to come unto repentance. Remember Paul is teaching the true church of God what was right and what was wrong.

In saying they 'd be like the gods little g Satan was saying they 'd be like he was. Lucifer 's desire to overthrow God led to his downfall. If he, through his lies, could cause Eve to believe his word rather than God 's word he would gain lordship over them. He did, for they immediately died in the spiritual sense. I believe, however, they repented, for someone taught Abel about God and that He should be worshipped. This lie has filtered down through each generation since then. Those who never sense a need to repent and come to God through the cross are mentioned in Gen 3 15 when God tells the serpent that there will be enmity between his seed and Eve 's seed. Satan 's seed, like Satan ever want to acquiesce to God 's lordship. Cain wouldn 't and displaying the enmity between Satan 's seed and Eve 's seed all who would come to God through faith , Able. Cain killed Able and remained, like his father "the god ", Satan. This is why it is a small "g " and plural Satan and his cohorts, countless demons.

Hello Samuel, When God stated in that day thou shalt surely die, man died two ways. He died a natural death and a spiritual death. He died within the day of the Lord, because 1000 years is like one day unto us, 2 Peter 3 8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day ". The immediate death was the spiritually death he became separated from God. It was not until Seth son Enos was born that men began to call on the name of the Lord, Genesis 4 26

Hello Insight, God did not tell Adam not to touch the tree. Genesis 2 17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ". See God had given Adam the charge of tending to everything in the garden, Genesis 2 15 "And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it ". Therefore, he had to touch the tree in order to take care of it like the rest of the garden. God told him not to eat of that tree. When God confronted Adam and Eve, he reminded them what he had said Genesis 3 11 "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? " If I can say it like this, Eve added to what God stated and this is how the serpent was able to get a foot in the door, because once she touched it and did not die she continued down that path to eat that fruit that was on that tree.

There was evil in the gardens,God said all trees are good for food.What was good in the tree of good evil.God say Himself that man has become like Us to know good evil,that is very good without knowing the diffrents between goo evil is like your son who does not know yet.God said they will surely die meaning beseparate from God after god had made man with the dominion power His image they were still dum,they could not decern,has decern the first time after eating from the tree good evil.Independent accur,sou they has to die to become like God knowing and was plan.To have God 's dominion second to know good evil and tird step the fullness of God Jesus christ,were God said to the women Jrsus will come,read carefully

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. If spoken of in parable then the garden can represent the life sustaining force of mankind. Man can consume the fruits of earth which are air, water and food to sustain life. The tree which is in the midst of the garden, in the center of the garden meaning the central component of life which is the atom, must not be touched. Man in his quest for knowledge disobeyed Gods command to not consume or manipulate, touch , atomic energy thus changing the DNA tree of life. Good God created natural existence healthy DNA Evil Satan created unnatural existence damaged or changed DNA nuclear disfigurement or atomic destruction leading to death. Adam and Eve may be a parable that represents the beginning of the end of mankind. This is in line with science which claims that human civilization has been on earth longer than 4,000 years. Woman consumes the altered, touched by man, nuclear particles via food or water or air changing the natural,God given DNA structure of her children.