Genesis Chapter 3 Discussion Page 8

Herman,

I will have to break this up into more than one post. I will list each post as Part 1, Part 2, etc. I hope that you will read through this. Salvation is a very important issue, and we need to have assurance one way or another.

(Part 1)

You have touched upon a very important issue. Over the last 30 years or so, emphasis on the ability to save has been shifted from God to man. As a result, the permanency of salvation has been called into question, because this approach to salvation emphasizes that believing certain truths can save a person, and then that same person can subsequently lose his/her salvation by disbelieving those same truths.

However, the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is based solely on God's Spirit coming into the spirit of a human being; and in so doing, causing that person to become a new creation, a new person. A person's experience of regeneration by the Holy Spirit is an act of God, not of man.

Biblically, the salvation process begins with God the Father. Jesus said, in John 6:44, "No one is able to come to me unless the Father who has sent me should draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day." In John 3:3, Jesus says, "Unless anyone should be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God."

Consequently, if the Father does not draw a person to Christ, that person cannot be saved. It is only after the Father has drawn someone to Christ, that the Spirit of Christ enters into the spirit of that person and spiritual birth takes place.

These same truths are taught by the Apostles. Paul, in Titus 3:5 wrote, "Not out of works in righteousness which we did, but according to His mercy He saved us, through washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit."

Peter said, in 1 Peter 1:3, "Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the One who according to His great mercy has regenerated us again into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

You can tell the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet by testing. Compare their messages, prophesies, preaching, spirit, teachings, and works of the prophet with the Bible.

Matthew 7:15-20 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

True prophets teach the word of God.

False prophets teach their own words.

Look at the teachings of Jim Jones of the People's Temple and David Koresh of Waco and compare them to that of Billy Graham and John R. Rice and you will have a clear picture of the differences.

Hi Cynthia, Please give us a little more information, perhaps a chapter and verse. Thank you.

Hi John. Today we declare what's written, we have no new prophetic messages to give that's not given in scripture. God gives us his Devine word and the Holyspirit to discern truth.

In the old testament they used these measures you see in

Deuteronomy 18:21-22. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Listen to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:17-18. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

That Prophet was Jesus.

Hebrews 1:1-2. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake ""IN TIME PAST"" unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath ""IN THESE LAST DAYS"" spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Can you give me a little more info? Which book:verse etc

When a prophet of the true God Speaks His words come to pass exactly as there spoken I.E. God Himself is telling the Prophet What to say.

What dose it mean when Paul says but now .

Pls how can someone know differences between the two truth prophet and evil prophet

And also what are the features to realise their habits

Is there verse in the bible describing the earth as a sphere?

No, that's a false assumption.

Adam, It sounds like you thing when someone gets saved, that their on probation?

Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL."It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring freedom too all inmates.

Luke 12:10 is in the New Testament. This verse is 100% clear to me what it means and it applies to everyone. I don't see any other way to interpret it. Christians are not immune to this, Christians must still be obedient, and Christians still have freewill.

Well, some don't say that; the bible say that about 241 times in the New Testament. Did you ever read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Do you see verse 2? By which also ye are (present tense)saved. and all you have to do is believe!

First, this you quoted is an Old Testament verse; Jesus hadn't died for anybody's sins yet; And no one was born again.

Luke 12:10 "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

whether a person blasphemes the Holy Ghost or not, they are headed for hell. for they are all condemned. John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." So it's not as easy as just finding a verse like that and wrongfully applying it, You must put in the Age of Grace, or it is taken out of context.

"But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY GHOST, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? THOU HAST NOT LIED UNTO MEN, BUT UNTO GOD." Act 5:3-4

Hi Charles,

Those are excellent verses you listed, but they don't prove that once saved, always saved. The only verse someone needs to see to refute that is: Luke 12:10. It says if anyone (including Christians) commits blasphemy of the holy ghost they won't be forgiven. You are welcome to read my other post for more scripture, but all someone needs to see is that one verse to see that someone can be a Christian then still has the freewill to do the opposite and not be saved. God bless...

First, we aren't actually saved until judgement day. Some say we're 'saved' when we 'accept' Jesus Christ into our heart, but no where in the Bible does it say that. What it actually says is to be a Christian is this: Link

A Christian is a Christ follower- it means we are actively following Christ. If we genuinely do that the Bible says our sins will be covered by Jesus's sacrifice and grace. However, just because we become a Christian doesn't mean we're stripped of freewill and become robots- we still have full ability to choose good or evil, to sin or not sin, and we're still tempted by satan. Therefore, some people slip up occasionally and sin, but still genuinely try to follow Christ, however, some do stop, turn and follow satan and follow the evil of the world. That person is not saved and they are technically not acting like a Christian anymore.

Those who claim once saved always saved always fail to explain one simple indisputable verse: Luke 12:10. Jesus tells his followers (Christians) that if they commit blashphemy of the holy ghost they will not be saved. Hebrews 10:26 is another indisputable verse that was talking to Christians, saying that Christianity isn't a license to sin, or a get out of jail free card. Non-Christians who haven't received the knowledge of the truth as it says have ignorance as an excuse and doesn't apply to them.

Here's anther: Hebrews 6:4 - 6:6 and another: Matthew 7:21 - 7:23

The Bible speaks for itself. Only would have to cherry pick around all these 100% clear verses in order to come up with the opposite conclusion.

Satan is behind all lies and he's a great deceiver, so which is more likely: that he's deceiving people to fear God and obey Him more than they need to? Or, is it more likely satan is deceiving people into believing they're saved and it's ok to sin and follow the world?

God bless...

Here is more reasons we can't lose our salvation:

30. We are sanctified or set apart as belonging to God. Heb. 10:10

31. We have peace with God. Rom. 5:1

32. We are made a part of the household of God. Eph 2:19

33. As living stones we are built into the spiritual house of God. I

Pet. 2:5; Eph. 2:20-22

34. We are given heavenly citizenship. Phil 3:20; Eph. 2:19

35. We are accepted in the Beloved. Eph 1:6

36. We are seated in the heavenlies in Christ. Eph. 2:6

37. Our life is hid with Christ in God. Col 3:3

38. We become new creatures in Christ. II Cor. 5:17;

Gal. 6:15; Eph. 2:10

39. We are exalted and glorified in Christ. Rom 8:30

40. We are redeemed and delivered from the law. Gal 3:13: Rom.

10:4

41. We become spiritual children of Abraham. Gal. 3:7

42. We become partakers of the blessings promised to Abraham. Gal 3:9, 29

43. All condemnation and judgment is lifted. Rom 8:1; John 3:18

44. We are delivered from the wrath to come. Rom 5:9;

I Thess. 5:

45. We enter in to spiritual rest of God. Heb 4:3, 9-10

46. We become brethren to Christ, our elder brother. Rom 3:29; Heb.2:11-12

47. We become partakers of the new covenant in Christ. Heb. 10:15-17

48. We become joint heirs with Christ. Rom 8:17; I Pet. 1:3-4; Tit

3:7; Col 1:12

49. Our names are recorded in the Lambs book of life. Luke 10:20;

Rev. 21:27

50. We are given by the Father to the Son as His eternal possession!

John 6:27-40

51. Our faith is counted as righteousness. Romans 4 verse 5.

No, you cannot lose your salvation, here is why:

1. We are washed from our sins by the blood of Christ. Rev. 1:5

2. We are justified or acquitted from all guilt. Rom. 5:1; Tit 3-7

3. We receive the forgiveness of all sins. Col 1:14; 2:13

4. We are redeemed or purchased by God through the blood of

Christ. I Pet. 1:18; Heb. 9:12

5. We are born again spiritually into God's family. John 1:12; 3:3-5;

Gal 3:26; I John 5:1

6. Our sins are not imputed unto us. Romans 4:8 Romans 5:13 7. We are given eternal life and shall never perish. John 10:28; I

John 5:11-13

8. We are reconciled or restored to a right relationship with God. II

Cor. 5:18; Col 1:21

9. We are made the righteousness of God. II Cor. 5:21

10. We receive the Holy Spirit. I Cor. 6:19; I John 4:13

11. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption. Eph.

1:13-14; I John 4:13; II Cor. 1:22

12. We are anointed by God with the Holy Spirit. II Cor. 1:22; I John

2:27

13. We are placed into the body of Christ. I Cor. 12:13,27

14. Our bodies become the members of Christ. I Cor. 6:15; Eph 5:30

15. We become one spirit with the Lord Jesus. I Cor. 6:17

16. God becomes the owner of our body and spirit. I Cor. 6:20

17. We are placed into Christ and found "in Him". John 14:20

18. We are risen with Christ to life. Col 2:12-13; 3:1

19. We are adopted as sons of God. Eph. 1:5; Rom 8:15

20. We enter into the grace of God. Rom 5:1-2

21. We are delivered from darkness and Satanic power. Col 1:13;

Eph. 5:8; Acts 26:18

22. We are placed into the kingdom of Christ. Col 1:13

23. We have been spiritually healed. I Pet. 2:24; Acts 28:27

24. We are chosen in Christ to be blameless before Him Eph. 1:4

25. We are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29

26. We are elect according to the foreknowledge of God. I Pet. 1:2

27. We are perfected or made complete forever. Heb. 10:14

28. We are preserved or kept safe in Christ Jesus. Jude 1; II Tim.

4:18 29. God forgets all our sins forever. Heb. 10:17

30. We are s

This is some scripture I look to when I need some comfort, This is part of the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount from Matthew chapters 5,6, and 7, and of course there are many more as we read on a daily basis.

may God bless you in your faith journey.

Matthew 5:2-48 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

If God is not, "one being but three distinct persons (Trinity)", as you claim, than scripture must be wrong. Than as Paul states "God forbid". In John 14:26 why then did Jesus call the Comforter (Holy Ghost) "he" as in reference to a person as opposed to "it" as you would describe him, or in John 16:7 "but if I depart, I will send "him" unto you," another reference to the Holy Ghost, as a person. 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

These are but a few scriptures to support that the Holy Ghost is a distinct part of the Trinity of God.

As per your claim "The Spirit is not a person" it would be nice to see some scripture to support your view.

Luke 12:12,

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 16:7-16 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

Struggling with teenager temptations, as a Christian as such a young age I want to continue to grow and build my relationship and bond with Jesus my savior please write me any scriptures and email me for more info god bless this fallen world.

Can you loose your salvation.

The majority is always wrong.

Romans 8:34

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD, who also maketh intercession for us.

Romans 8:27

And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Folks, this is the Godhead. Jesus did not let Mary Magdalene touch him, because he had not yet ascended to heaven to assume the position of High Priest.

He is in heaven where the 2 scriptures say what He is doing. When this age closes, the Father will tell the Bridegroom to go get His Bride.

The Holy Spirit is on earth now performing His ministry. Jesus went to the Cross to give believers the Holy Spirit who indwells each believer with the spirit of Christ.

He comforts, teaches, baptizes, SPEAKS, strives with sinners, creates, renews, convicts, anoints, guides, empowers, sanctifies, gives gifts, illuminates, reveals, truth of God, and much more.

After the catching up of the Church, His ministry will be diminished.

I would say I have a close relationship with Him. I pray, talk with, worship Jesus, read huge chunks of the Bible daily, sit still until He teaches me what I just read, He sharpens my spiritual discernment, corrects me often. I cannot express the inner JOY it is to covet being in His presence! He speaks to me at home, in the car, taking a walk. He gives words of knowledge and words of wisdom.

why?? Because He knows I am smitten with Jesus, and the Father that Jesus wants us to know. I'm going to do or say whatever he tells me.

My most favorite time is in silence, listening intently for Him. I sing-He sings. One time he sang, "I walk the Line" by Johnny Cash!

Get to know Him! He's a real Person who happens to be invisible to our eyes; but visible in the spirit; to hearts and to our spirit inside, ears. Be as close as you desire. Read 10 virgins story. The OIL is the Holy Spirits JOY.

Not you. There are millions of Christians that believe the 3 are persons, and you can tell them their wrong.

The holy spirit descended on Jesus as a dove in His baptism. We receive this same spirit when we are baptized into Christ. The holy spirit. The comforter! The paraclete!

Who said the Holy Spirit is a person and what exactly do you mean by 'person'? The Bible doesn't say that. God the Father is also a spirit. John 4:24

I have issue with the Holy Spirit being a person, or part of the man made trinity. Specifically, the Holy Spirit is "poured out", which doesn't describe a person. The Spirit is not a person that can be poured out. It's a Spirit and blessing from God.

Isaiah 44:3 "I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants."

The outpouring of the Spirit is a completed prophecy that ushered in the church age and the New Covenant in which all believers are given the Holy Spirit. Fact is the Holy Spirit has already come to us in salvation, and doesn't leave.