Genesis Chapter 38 Discussion

John 15:2, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17,18,19, Matthew 12:33, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 6, Luke 8, Galatians 5:22,

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I am of Zerah and Pharez Radford and Buckmaster, Zerah and Pharez both had the Aleph Taw and never lost the Aleph Taw. Go and study the Word. I'll ask you 1??? What's in a Fruit ???. Shalom Wendell Radford, mom was a Buckmaster.

Esau aka Edom, & Jacob aka Israel.

Genesis 25:23-26,

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Who were twins born in KJV

... Onan robbed God of the opportunity to create a new life from this intimate act. If Onan had not engaged in intimacy at all, he would have disobeyed is father and the custom, but he would not have robbed God. This is why some people believe that contraceptive relations(any intimate act that: does not deposit "seed" into the woman (coitus interruptus, condoms) and any intimate act that: deposits seed in the woman but actions are done to kill or hinder motility of seed by the use of drugs, plugs, jams, and jellies; or any action that causes an abortion (I.U.D. by preventing implantation); or any temporary or permanent action that causes sterility) is wrong since it's intent is to have the pleasure of intimacy but refusing God the opportunity to create a new life in any act of intimacy. This does not mean that every act of intimacy should be to conceive, as conception is not possible on every day of a woman's fertility cycle, nor that people who are infertile should not have intimacy with their spouses. It means that every act of intimacy should be left open for for conception to naturally occur as God wills. I know many will be upset by this explanation, but I feel that so many people do not understand why some people are opposed to contraception due to not having a thorough explanation of this viewpoint. That said, I am not saying that this is my view or that believers need to have this view. I simply suggest that believers consider how seriously God took Onan's actions and be prayerful of how they live out intimacy in their lives. God chose to bond together in one act multiple purposes: union/procreation/pleasure. Does man have a right to break these purposes apart at will just because we can? Normally, couples do not need to add anything to the way God designed the intimacy to cause fertility. But contraception, say opponents, involves an act against this design. I had to wrestle prayerfully with this in my life. May God lead each into his mindset and will.

... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have of her services. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to be intimate with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for immorality. But when she produced Judah's personal effects, he realized that he was the father of Tamar's child. So he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further intimate contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have sex wit her. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to engage in sex with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for sexual immorality. But when she Judah's personal effects, he realized that he. was the father of Tamar's child, so he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further sexual contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

The main characters of this chapter are Judah, (Jacob's 4th son; son of Leah), and Tamar. It starts out with Judah taking a Canaanite woman for a wife. We do not know if any of is brothers had married outside the family or not. But it says that Judah had purposely separated himself from the family most likely to find a wife, since Dinah was the only sister and female relative around the area. His brother, Rueben, had slept with his fathers concubine. These boys needed wives at their ages!

From her(Shuah) was born three sons, Er, Onan, and Shelah. When Er was grown, Judah chose Tamar for a wife for Er. Jewish tradition says that Tamar was from Shem's lineage. (Shem lived into Jacob's lifetime.) Tamar did not have children by Er. The text says that he did evil in the sight of the Lord. God slew him. So, the custom was for a brother to marry his sister in law in order to raise up a child as an heir for is brother. Onan was old enough to fulfill this custom. But he did not want to father a child with Tamar. Instead of refusing to have intercourse with her, he chose to have the pleasure without the responsibility of fathering a child, especially for his brother. He used coitus interruptus (pulling out before ejaculation) and ejaculated outside of Tamar. God saw what he did and said it was evil. He slew Onan. I think that both Er and Onan were guilty of the same act: coitus interruptus. Why would God slay both within the context of this story if their sin was not somehow connected.

Some people say that Onan's sin was not wanting to allow for Tamar to become pregnant since the child would be considered his brothers. But it says that what Onan did was evil, not why he did it. If he had refused to sleep with Tamar, God may not have slew him. For me, I think that Onan's primary sin was sexual: coitus interruptus: a from of contraception, because he did it to avoid impregnation. And his secondary sin was is motivation, to not sire a child for his brother.

Thank you to those that comment relating to the chapter just read. All others posting unrelated or future chapters / books just confuses me as a newcomer. Doing bible in a year. Day 12.

We went from Israel (Jacob) story to now Judah. Not sure who Judah is relating to Jacob or we are starting a new story.

Interesting that Judah did not have same fate as his first two sons and she seemed the common denominator for their deaths.

2 Chronicles 14:12 So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled.
Zephaniah 2:12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.

Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.

I'm looking 38:2 shuah is a canaanite woman.... she's black!...look up abdullamite a '''holy canaanite city'' .... meaning ---these are black folk--- genesis 9.... ham's son.... u folks kill me! benjamin... england... u stole so much! jus cause u '''stole so much'', u deduce; this means u can perpetrate 10 tribes.. if u were, u woul..couldn't turn backs on ''jews'' put in ovens when then turned up in n.y. harbor! jus theives! john 10:10 the devil came to kill, steal, destroy jesus ''came so we'd have abundant life''; nukes to kill all, abortion, grenades, civil war, ww1, ww2, amer-spanish war filipino-amer, cuba-amer war, vietnam, iraq twice afghanistan, korea, kill, n church, kkk

yes it most definitely is a sin because God opens and closes the womb and by doing that you are defying Gods power

It was not the spilling of the seed that angered God. It was the disobedience.

Is using condoms and other birth control a sin?

People often cite this verse that it applies to Christians today to not spill their 'seed'. Does this mean if you have a nocturnal emission that you're lusting or sinning in your sleep? How do you choose which verses apply today or not- like greeting people with a kiss, covering your head, etc?

sorry thought it was but it was not. I got confused disregard the comment.

Unlike Joseph, Judah did not run from temptation.

All I can say is the Lord is good.

Comparing these two chapters (38, 39), what instructions can we take from these two very different men? They were brothers according to the flesh, but one was righteous and one was evil; one was mistreated and hated, and the other was a friend of the world and a fornicator. It shows also, how that Christ came in the flesh, but not according to the flesh: spiritually Jesus was NOT a son of Judah.

He said his daughter-in-law should be burnt but once he found out that she had his belongings he realized that he made a promise but didn't honor, so she used trickery on him...he forgave her because he felt she was more righteous than himself. Being faith and honoring your word shows faithfulness.

This situation also tells us that ,the Lord is reaching out to his people with open out stretch hands, no matter what the problem,

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Cesar, no he didn 't because she was impregnated by Judah. Even though that was the penalty in those days for adultery Tamar showed Judah and everyone else by presenting Proof of his signet, bracelets, and staff that Judah was the father Gen.38:25. Judah then confessed that Tamar had been more righteous than he. Tamar went approximately 6 months later to give birth to two sons Pharez and Zarah. God bless us all and also in the understanding of his Word. Praise God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!

Jeremiah, interesting post. However, We must conclude that as the Scripture says, Isa. 55:8,9 "For my thoughs are not your thought, neither, are your ways my ways...Though you or me haven 't committed that particular sin as Judah here we all have our own sin Rom.3:10 "As it is written,there is none righteous, no, not one. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Therefore, We are commanded by God in Lu.6:37 "Judge not that you be not judged. Let us keep our eyes on Jesus in all situations in life as well as all Biblical stories. Because Ep.2:8,9 says, "For by grace are we saved through faith and that is not of ourselves it is the gift of God not of works least any man should boast. God bless us all and also in the understanding of his Word. Bless the Lord with all my soul and all that is within me bless his Holy name through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!

am just amazed

vs 16 17 this is a strong conversation with Judah soliciting for sex from a harlot. who will think the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH will come from such a disgraceful grandparent. many times its God 's way of doing things. He chooses that which we look down upon , the disqualified ,rejected. also it will have been an easy task for the devil to trace where or by who JESUS was born if GOD had used the obvious.

Judah really had her burned, wow.

Indeed the ways and thoughts of God are higher than ours Isaiah 55 8 9. God decides who He uses at any point in time. God knew that Jesus would come through the lineage of Judah and He allowed Judah to impregnate his daughter in law though Judah did not know that time and allowed her to bear twins, Pharez who was supposed to be the junior twin coming out before Zarah who was supposed to be the senior twin read verses 27 30 , similar to Jacob taking the position of Esau. The lesson i learnt is that no matter how sinful you might have been, God will have mercy on you if you come to Him just as you are and ask Him for mercy and pardon. Indeed God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy and nobody can question Him! May we receive Grace to come to Him with all our burdens and sins and leave them at the feet of Jesus Christ in Jesus Name. Amen

So was Juda counted worthy or sinner for sleeping with a harlot as he suppose?

why did God allowed all this to happen