Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 13

Bertski...there is enough info to deduce why THE LORD honored abel's offering and not cain's...abel offered first fruits but cain did not...early lesson of proper sacrifice and foreshadowing GOD sacrificing his first born for us

Bertski; Cain and Abel were THE first sons of the actual first parents, Adam and Eve; and we have to expect, that inasmuch as succeeding generations still had some knowledge about what transacted between God and the man and his wife, and the devil being condemned by the coming of Christ; then it follows that the first sons would also have had the knowledge most perfectly. Cain rejected the Truth!

Murder is the killing of the innocent with malice aforethought. Look at Cain, he knew others would readily kill him, we don't know, but perhaps as a thought of Justice. As to why God honored Abels sacrifice and not Cains', we don't have enough information as I see to deduct anything. Except that blood is required for remission of sin. Speculation is deceitful, where it doesn't mean it's fact.

IN the earth, changed to ON the earth. Huge significance! The Lords Prayer also changed from IN, to ON.................IN is something they'd rather you didn't know with the 66 books we're left with.

Jevon; Murder is: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. In the Law of the LORD, the one who premeditates to kill someone is worthy of death; and the innocent blood is not taken away from the land except by the blood of him that shed it. Accidental killing of a man is not murder; and the one who does it is granted asylum in a City of Refuge that he may escape the avenger.

Murderer is mentioned 20 times in the KJV Bible. Numbers 35:16- 35:17- 35:18- 35:19-35:21- 35:30- 35:31 2 Kings 6:32- Job 24:14- Hosea 9:13- John 8:44- Acts 3:14- Acts 28:4 - 1 Peter 4:15- and 1 John 3:15 says, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

What is a murderer? IS it the one that says Am I my brother's keeper or what is it at all?

I LIFE VERS 7/ IT IS POWERFUL

Dear Brother Jim; God has been able in every age to provide Himself good and faithful witnesses. No matter how much we may want to give the children of the devil the benefit of the doubt, and say, Maybe it was for this reason, or, maybe its because of that... and still find a way to blame ourselves; God Himself, at a certain point lets men have their own minds, and the kind of spirits they want.

The sacrifice offering has to be the Lords way. Abel believed the Lord and did it the Lords way. Cain believed not and did it Cains way.

The reason God excepted Abel sacrifice over Cain was because Abel put God first. He tells us even in his ten commandments he should always be put first. He gave him his firstlings. The Word tells us that Cain was the son of Satan. We ourselves must chose good over evil(sin).

Donna, God is more concerned with the Spirit in which we offer our sacrifice than he is with the sacrifice itself. God knew Cain’s heart and that he really didn’t want to give his best. Note that it says, “respect unto Abel and to his offering” and then later “But unto Cain and to his offering”. So, the respect was first unto the man and 2nd unto the offering.

Hello Donna; Seeing that Cain and Abel were the first generation after Adam and Eve; the boys would have known full well the story of what happened, right from the Originals themselves. The LORD saw that Cain completely omitted from his accounting of himself before God the whole truth of his present condition being intrinsically connected to the coming of the Saviour. God cannot respect that kind!

I too wondered why God didn't like Cain's offering and was told by an elder that the fruit of Abel's sacrifice, the lamb, referred back to God's promise of the coming of Jesus Christ. Even back then God had promised salvation when He told about the children of Satan would bruise His heel, meaning Jesus would die. I'm still a little confused.

BSP; I've thought a lot about this thing with Cain and Abel. Since they were the first generation after their parents were expelled from the Garden; we should expect that the boys knew the whole story very well, from the very "Adam and Eve" themselves! That means they would know what God all said to them, and to the devil; and about the Anointed announced to come through the woman to redeem us.

Verse 7: Cain had a bad heart and Jehovah God warned him that he needed to get control of himself. Cain proudly refused to listen to God and he murdered his brother.

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Cheryl Dawn just to add this to think about it, that happened before the law. God made His decision. The way I see it is that Cain came from Satan and many more of Satans followers would have to come to be born of the flesh. Matt. 13:36-40 where the wicked one sends his tares. Jesus spoke to them in John 8. So I know there were kenites. If that helps.

According to the Holy Bible, if any sheds mans blood, they shall have their blood shed. Thankfully I am not one of those ever. So for God to allow Cain to have a mark on him so that others will not kill Cain is against what the Holy Bible later says as I wrote about shedding mans blood. Man as in male and female He made them. Would God go against Himself?Did someone else make Cain kill?If so who?

Gen. 4:7 - "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto the shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
Paraphrase - If you'll do well, your brother will seek for your counsel, and you'll rule over him as the authoritative head of the family. "The Word Started it All."

James: Abel brought The First of his Flock,The Best. Cain did not. In the Process of time, eventually. Cain brought at best,second best. The Lord told him, if he done better he would be accepted.

James Brown, You said they both did their best.V.5God had no respect for Cain's offering,so God did not think Cain did his best. V.7 "if thou doest not well, sin lies at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire (sin desires him), and you shall rule over him." (but God tells him you shall rule over sin.)
This chapter is here because it is the word of God. And sadly we see the first murder.

I've wondered why that chapter's there
And why was Abel blest
So was it wrong to till the ground
They both just did their best

It might be that it answers why
Some like us and some won't
Remember that we're "godlike" men
God loves us, others won't

So Cain it says was driven out
And founded all our line
That leaves a lot to be desired
None call us now divine

Jesus instructs not be called rabbi, Father, or great instructor. He is our everything, as He says. He is the mediator the new covenant. The old covenant is done away. Book of Hebrews.

Thank the Father for the Trinity, as stated by His Son!

Irene: One of The Trinity or Adam =4

Bruce - quote, "any of the four .... "? what 'four'?

Patsy:She could have heard from it from any of the four.I feel that God let Adam tell Eve of this deadly poison! She knew that they're not allowed to eat of this fruit,she told the serpent that and added to it.Genesis3:1-3 Today,we're told to tell others The Way of Salvation,how to be cleansed from of this deadly poison/--- washed us from our sins in His own Blood, Revelations 1:5/The Light "US"

For Patsy
God commanded Adam not to eat it. Eve was not yet formed. Gen. 2:16-24 will help you understand it better.

1. God made Eve for Adam; therefore the woman was the man's responsibility. The commandment to the man then is also to all that is under the man. 2. The children of Israel HAVE NOT been "studying" for thousands of years; but DEFYING, AND DISOBEYING! Do not suggest that anyone go to those who are in disobedience, for spiritual guidance! They have been blinded to knowledge by God till they repent.