Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 24

how got cain married to a girl that he is the first son of adam and who is cain's wife from where she is?

For Cain the earth (ground) will no longer bear any kind of produce and the earth as a planet has become a place of woe and fear. His life has become a situation of wishing to having never been born.

i have learned to work hard and not to be jelouse to my brothers

was there an appointed time and place to bring to God an offering?

For a book which has a signicant part of it's text devoted to lineage and family trees I think it's absurd for people to make assumptions about wives. There are only two obvious options that I can see- either, Eve was the mother to Cain and Abel's children or it is poorly thought out and simply not true.

regarding Garylord Newman's comment of 12-17--I believe Cain brought the very best A-1 choice of his produce to sacrifice--not "scrubs" as you put it--because of his pride. The Lord could not accept that as a sacrifice--it needed to be a blood sacrifice. Cain could have gone to his brother Abel, the sheep-keeper, and traded for a quality sacrifice animal; because of his pride, he chose not to do that. He wanted to say to the LORD--"See what I did." To give such as sacrifice was a sacrilege. The LORD gave him a second chance in vv. 6 and 7. Cain decided to take his own way.

Christ died for our sins on Calvary. This ended the need for a blood sacrifice--His blood satisfied that requirement. Some people try to take their own way to get to God, as Cain did. They reject the gift of salvation; try to make their own way. "My way is just as good. If I do X number of good works. If the good outweighs the bad. God wouldn't send me to hell--I am too nice." The Word tells us that our righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life--no man cometh to the Father except by me."

I just want to clarify that on the 7th day God rested, it stated in the bible. I noticed in some comment that people said that God created Adam on the 7th day - which is incorrect.

6th day God created all races male and female
7th day God rested
8th day God created Adam and so forth

Adam and Eve are the direct bloodline of Jesus.

There were other people. You may want to reread Gen 1:26-31 6th creation of man - male and female. (people of all races) Gen 2:7 8th day creation of Adam and Eve (the bloodline for which Jesus will be born into).

Adam and Eve's children married people from the 6th day creation of man - male and female.

To say they reproduce with their siblings would be incest, and incest after incest would eventually no longer reproduce.

V. 17. Where did Cain's wife come from? As has been commented, we don't have all the specifics and I think there must have been sisters to be wives for Adam's sons. Gen. 3:20 says Eve was the mother of all living. In 1 Cor. 15:22, we have;"In Adam, all die", and Rom. 5:12 says sin and death passed from one man (Adam) to all mankind, indicating there were no other fathers created. Anyway, we inherited the bad results of the disobedience of one, and the atonement also is by one; Jesus Christ, whose mother was of fallen nature, but whose Father was God's Spirit. Aparrently, the life element is passed on by the father. Except for Gen. 3:20, I have found no references to prove that God did not create women from dust, it just sounds strange.

Where wives come from. Here's my comment from 10-4-10... I believe God made other people besides Adam & Eve and family, but it wasn't specified. Just like it's not always specified that people urinated, but we assume they did, as we do in any non-fiction story. The fact that the Bible does not share every detail does not discredit it. Those who believe that discredits the Bible would not believe any non-fiction writing then, because no book covers 100% of all details. I'm sure 1,000 pages could have spent on the creation of the Earth, but it's only 1 chapter.

Check out Gen 5:2- it said in the beginning he made male and female. I take that to mean he created other people besides Adam and Eve, but just focused on those 2 originally. Other people outside the garden is also likely how Cain and Seth found wives- otherwise, their own mom, Eve, was the only other woman to possibly reproduce with.

Another fabrication of the bible,where did he get a wife?

My coment comes in question form,where did get wife to marry can you please teach me more on that?

THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: where did ENOCH wife come from: - ADAM/EVE lived up to 930 years old: Just like the city of NOD - someone had to build them. ADAM/EVE was creation. They had other children during the time of CAIN and ABEL- the duties of each of them were to multiply - to populate the earth. Enoch married a relative.

I have gotten a man from the LORD.

This does not mean CAIN was the only child at the time. He could have already had SISTERS and brothers, He just was probably more favored (if any other males were born at that time) But definately He could have already had sisters before his birth.

My view on Sojurn's comment is this. I believe with all my heart that God knows the future before it happens, but he has given man free will to do what he chooses to do. I do not believe that God allows bad things to happen to us to teach us a lesson because that is not God's nature. As Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father...and what6 was Jesus' nature? Love and compassion. Let's use this as an example..let's say someone decided, I am going to kill someone today. Will God allow him to kill someone in cold blood? God is love and in him there is no darkness. No, God does not allow him to kill that person, he has given him the will to do whatever he wants. What is God going to do? strike him with a bolt of lightning? no he does not work that way. Does God allow little kids to be killed? no, no ,no. Because of one man sin entered the world..and death because of sin. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but Jesus came so that we can have life and have it more abundantly. I think that man made theology has given people the wrong nature of God, and it is very sad. I would suggest you get some teaching tapes on the true nature of God. We can not compromise the word of God. Not trying to tell you what to do, just trying to help you out..hope I was able to.

I agree with all that and love God and no matter what the reson is the fact still remains that the hole out come still hurts us and what ever his reason is I guss it does not matter any ways he is God and we are just dust of the earth but it just seems to me that taking all the trouble to create shut a man and giving his life and wisdom in a limited form. Then adding in to the mix our eye were covered in the time of adam and eve and to cast satan on earth to decieve us seem to me and unfair act upon us. It says God knows all things before they happen yet. So this must been a part of his plain for millions to die a lost soul or maybe not i can't say but it sure is a funny way of taking care of us. Sorry if it sound that I am angry I am not but what ever his perpouse is it's way above our thinking for who can know the mind of God..

Farmer cain. Well, around the fields are the scrubbs that farmers let the poor "gleam" or take for food cause its not worth the farmers time to take to market,well, cain took that. He knew! Sorry lookin worthless cain. But Able took the very best because Able loved his Father God.

i dont know why GOD cast the devil to instead of hell,speculate,but thi i know GOD is lord and does things his way. but we know where satan will end up. smile and love its christmas time

Father wants to know do you love Him or the way of sin/satan`s way.

Why did God cast satan to earth and not to hell remains a mystery. I can imagine a possiple reason. While we would certainly wish it otherwise, God is God, and has purposes beyond us. I imagine that God chose to create plants and animals to function within His appointed order without options to choose from. He desired to create something in His own image having the ability to choose to obey Him. This required an other selection. In Deuteronomy 30:19, He says, "I have set before you, life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live". Our great God has the right to bring glory to himself at whatever cost to his earth project. God so loved (people), that He gave (Jesus) for us to have "abundant and eternal life, full of love, joy, and peace. In Him we are more than conquerors unto God's glory. Choosers/believers will thank and praise Him forever.

I wish people would try to place thier answers in the proper chapter so not to add to the confusion or place a bold marker on it orgian. Well may be it will be fix on it own through faith. Anyways I would still like to make one more commit:
AGIAN WHY DID GOD CAST SATAN TO EARTH AND NOT CAST HIM IN HELL. THIS AND ALL THINGS FOWARD OF EVIL DEEDS COME FROM HIM ENTERING US OR DECIVEIG US AS WE KNOW IT STARTED IN GEN.2 THE EATING OF THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL IN WHICH SATAN WAS THE DECIVIER: THIS STILL REMAINS A MISTORY:

1.WHY IN THE 1ST PLACE WAS ONE OFFERING BETTER?
We fine that a closer look at Cain's offering was the KEY WORD:Fruit and Abel's was 1st Fruits..
Research: Exodus 26.16,19 and Hebrews 11.1-4 read for the thinking of God is exposed here. That its an inword/right thing to do and cain did not respect God for his gift was the left overs not 1st fruit.

I been studing Genesis all over again and truly the Bible state 2 of all living flesh , that means 2 of each race of people and animal too . I had to study to see what the word really says. God mention the 8 becasue they were the only ones to be trusted to carry out His will. If evil was killed in the flood how did it rekindle itself agin. Noah was the line of blood to bring forth Jesus , thats why he and the 8 is mention more. Mom , you are right the 7th day he rested.Genesis is a deep book when you really buckel down too it. If you go back and look at the 1st , 2nd , 3rd , 4th , 5th ,6th and the 7th day . Notice He only name one day and that was the Sabatha , so where did the Monday , and etc. come from. God showed me this in the middle of the night. He sent me back to the end of Revelation 22 : 18 to show me if any one take away or add a plauge will be on his life. So what about the translators of the word of God.

First 2Peter 1:19-21 no private interpretation.
In Genesis 3 man sinned. In Genesis 4 Cain does not bring a blood sacrifice like Abel. Hebrews 9;22
Gen. 1 Man was alone no women just think about
that, note Matt 22:30, too bad he did not speak up
in Gen 3 during the conversation of Eve and the
serpent. Now just where did Cain get his wife ?
Like his dad there weren't too many women to choose from. Eve was Adam's rib. Let us just stay
with what God wants us to know. Prov. 30:5-6,
2 Corinthians 13:5, Rev. 21:8 and John 3:16
Thank God for His word for word translation the
A.K.J.V. God's HOLY BIBLE.

That first flood of Jeremiah is in chapter 4: about verse 22 and I Should of said the children of the angels of satan that left heaven got targeted. I don't think the angels themselves could be drowned. Well, things were pretty bad in that area as we see in because in Gen.4:26 we see Seth/Enos Then the statement of this...then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. That's not good for the word # 2490 chalal / to Profane #2470. So the people of cain`s bunch were bad to the core as you see in 4:23 and 24 nothing but murder in their hearts and proud of it. It did mention the good side in 4:25 and part of 26. Where we see Eve had Seth so the blood line could continue in which Christ would be born. Thank God! But on Gen. 6:29 there is more than 8 people gettin on that boat. It says Every living thing of All flesh,two...male and female. Cains kids are flesh and alive at the time.( two kenites) and his bunch show up through the rest of the Word first working there way to the outside of the tribes as laborer and then hauling wood for the Priest and doing work around the churches. Then even started doing duties for the lazy priest. Don't worry God had the prophets and Jeremiah keep the word Safe with the Massorah and watching them real close. But by the time Christ came they had a big part of the Priest and it was the kenites that had Pilate crucify Christ. When I write and even when I speak an talk to people, many say, that's one opinion. That's true and I put it out there, hey, we are trying to get home to God and I`m trying to help. Every body that looks, looks at things differently and I want to see everything that I may have missed or at least check it out and find the truth and I thank all of you because I read it all. God Bless all of you who love Our Father the LORD. Gary

My opinion. This flood of Noah`s was a located flood and was to wipe out evil and was to wipe out the sons of God in Genesis 6 the sons that left their first estate,heaven, to take wives. They were trying to stop the progress of God sending Jesus, immanuel, God with us and the angels of satan are evil and enjoyed woman as play things and had children, giants.angels or messengers are not much different body wise. Remember we ate manna 40 years on the desert, that's Angels food and Angels look just like us, well, I'm old, angels look like young men, a little different puddy/skin. David killed one. The serpent beguiled (nasha means seduce completely) and in Gen.3:15 the enmity between seeds (zera,means generation, posterity,the successive descendants of a person,generations not yet borned) and from this we see the Parable of the Sower Matt.13:37 to 44. satan, sends his. In Gen. 4:2 we see And "she again" again in Hebrew "Yacaph" meaning to continue# 3205 this is notes wrote in ink in my Bible and I think they are the right numbers, oh, beguiled # 1816 and check out 2nd Corinthians 11:3 but eve had cain and Anyway it was for a reason of that area because satan and his evil crew were there and they didn't care about the rest of the world just the evil that they injoy to do. In Jude 1:6 AND THE ANGELS WHICH KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE...( HEAVEN) BUT LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION,.. and at this time they are chained and waiting. They were trying to destroy Gods plans. This flood was targeted. The first flood Jeremiah was total wilderness, no trees,no birds, and no Noah or family or boat. The flood in the book of Jeremiah God says in Hebrew He took it by His Hand and sunk it in water and washed it and we see it when on the desert and see sea shells and other things a person runs across that should be some place different. I think God can do anything God wants to do. He protected this letter so I can get home and its just like He wants me to have it and for anyone who loves Him, we all have a choice. People don't realize how serious this time is. Oh, yeah! Its just a short period but its a test. Love God and do good and come home. Or love evil and do evil and gone. The 6th day creation were just fine on that first influx. Yes, 2 of every flesh got on the boat and show up in 1st Chronicles 2:55 kenites, sons of cain and this scribes I'm pretty sure its accounting, they helped with the money, bad thing to have a kenite around ur money. I`ll check it out. Anyway talk later. G

I got to admit when I got that comment from u I flashed! scared, just woke up and saw it gettin ready to go to work,cause I'm a driver and doin this from my phone and I didn't know if imy memory served me, so, it hit home, I e mailed my brother straight way to let him know what id done cause I love him and if I made a misstake, anyway I don't want him to get the wrong word from me. I decided I best look because I've been in the minor Prophets. So, annyway let's checck. Gen. 1:26,27 28. Earth replenish with all the people and what's that say at the end of chapter one verae 31 yes, 6th day done. Start 7th day. So, on the 7th day God sees He has no one to till the ground 2:5. So its good for go. Talk more on it but got to go to work. G

Gary, I respectfully disagree with you. In your posting of Oct. 15, you state that God created Adam and Eve on the seventh day. I beg to differ. The Bible says that on the seventh day God rested, His creation complete.
On another point, if God created the races at the time of creation, how did those races perpetuate themselves after the flood? Every man, woman and child except Noah, his wife, their three sons, and their wives were destroyed in the flood. And it looks to me as if Noah's grandchildren had to marry close kin again.
I realize this is probably not going to change your opinion. Just giving you some food for thought.

From gary. Ur knowledge is my defence. All races created on the 6th day and the tower of bable seperated the tongues/languages. Confusion/bable. Not a change of peoples that would be unnatural. God won't do that. A person is borned and that's who they are. That's truth not Opinion. Yes Murray is filled with the Holy Spirit. Thanks! He is a great man, I wish I knew what He knew. He is one to study under as about 10 others. Gather good understanding befor you Preach.You can fly away now! That's what this is all about,right. You don't debate, you blast. You should try to learn the WORD and its truth. Don't worry about my opinion concern yourself with what God wants. Truth!

First of all, I do not want to take away the main point of the gospel, which is to point the way to salvation through Jesus Christ, the Son of God. We should not try to alter the Bible by telling God what we think He meant. Read Acts 17:26--we are one blood. The human race is one race. Eve is the mother of all living, and through Adam we all receive our sin nature. The Bible says in Romans 3:4 that God's truth is true no matter who says otherwise. And in I Cor. 1:25 we read that God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.
It is no stretch of the imagination for me to believe that Adam and Eve's children married each other. The gene pool was perfect in the beginning. You read of Abram marrying Sarai, his father's daughter. God had not yet given the laws to Moses restricting close relationship marriages.
When you get right down to it we are all related to each other, like it or not. That doesn't say we should go out and marry our siblings or cousins now. It is a bigger stretch of the imagination for me to think that God created other humans at the same time he created Adam and Eve.
And the subraces were not created as such; they developed over time through natural selection and genetic characteristics.