Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 25



 
  • Garyloyd newman on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Most say Bullinger or 8 or so others I mention. But Murray is Great. Thanks! Yes, he is filled with the Spirit of the Living God. Now, as far as speakin babble. The tower of babble was the seperation of the tongue/Language`s/Confusion. Can't build your own salvation by building towers. And if the tongues are all different there is much confusion/babble. The 6th day all the races where created and it was good.
  • Mike7 on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    specifically to gary. arnold murray is NOT the holy ghost (the spirit of truth.) the races began after the division at the time of the tower of babel. cain, obviously married his sister. adam's sin brought death into the world.Seek truth of the holy ghost, not man, brother!!
  • Mark miles on Genesis 4:17 - 15 years ago
    doesn't the bible tabout creating man in the beggening of genesis
  • Garyloyd newman on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Don't know mizra or osiris kenite but for my self who has, how do I say this? Well, when one gets very near to God,Our Father makes Himself known. you couldn't drag me away from Jesus if you had a loaded gun to my head and pulled the triger. To them that love the LORD. There are a lot of kenites here on earth at this time. The end is near and satan has been sowing his thrid of his children to make way his short time. problem is we have to listen to the losers.
  • Garyloyd newman on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Genesis 1:31 was the end of the 6th day. God populated the earth with the various race`s and that included white,black,brown,all. On the 7th day He created Adam and Eve for the blood line that Christ would come through. If you also look at the word "life" in verse Genesis 1:20 the word can be translated to Souls and we know the orient has a beginning ahead of the rest of the world. Cain just took a wife outside the garden. We know who the tree of life is. God said let us make man in Our image after our likeness,He didn't leave Himself out. Do you think God would of sent us down here if He wouldn't come down Himself OUR? Who was there? His sons of course,as it is written in Hebrew,it`s "Elohim" that means God and His Children. Jesus said when you have seen the son you have seen the Father. In Isaiah 45:18 He created a beautiful earth for us in spiritual bodies. We were happy! Then in Revelation 12:4 satan stole a third of God`s children, stars. Revelation 12 is an outline of the Bible. Ezekiel 28 tells us satans pride took over in him and he tryed to steal the mercy seat,Throne of God. God got mad and in Jeremiah 4:22 and on tells us of the first flood. No Noah`s boat and family,no bird or twig left to flay and the waters in that flood didn't receed, it was Water Gone! That's why in 2nd Peter 3:5 to 7. In 6th that world that was overflowed with water Perished. But Peter says, this earth I'm standing on is kept in store,reserve unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. The 4th word in Genesis says "was" but its hayah#1961 in the Exhusted Strong`s Concordance and can only be translated in the Hebrew to "become" so it became without form and void, where as in Isaiah 45:18 God establish the earth and created Not in vain He formed it to be inhabited. The word in Genesis 1:28 REPLENISH.! 2nd time around. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Love JESUS and you will make it. God bless you all that love our God and Saviour. Oh! Check Isaiah 45:21. Have a nice day.
  • Nom on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Or... The Bible is a conglomeration of stories about other religions of city states conquered or destroyed by Hebrews that were also merged in with the Egyptian teachings that originally came to be from the early Sumerians, and thus your actually worshiping a multitude of some thirty or more different religions.

    If you want to discern what the Bible means, you have to begin your research at the beginning. Mizra and Osiris were around long before Iesus, and they are actually proven to have existed, though their miracles (most of which Iesus stole from one or both of them) have never been proven just like Iesus. Your intelligent people, act like it. You want proper devotion? Become devoted to seeking the answers to the truth and start at the beginning. Help people you claim to love, instead of clouding their minds with ancient horror stories.
  • Trent on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Hi Albert, I believe #2 is correct, that God made other people, but it just wasn't specified. Check out Gen 5:2- it said in the beginning he made male and female. I take that to mean he created other people besides Adam and Eve, but just focused on them originally. This is also likely how Cain and Seth found wives- otherwise, their own mom, Eve, was the only other woman to possibly reproduce with.
  • Albert on Genesis 4:17 - 15 years ago
    This is the problem with taking the Bible as the literal truth and history. It makes no sense. How do you explain the fact that Cain had a wife in the Land of Nod? Here are some choices. 1) Cain's wife was not human. 2) God created other women but the Bible forgot to mention that. 3) There were other women that God did not create.
  • Twilla on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Cain would either have married a sister or a fallen angel
  • [email protected] on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    people keep studying GOD's word, i have for 60 years and have a lot to learn, we re humans not genius,GOD bless all and walk in love and forgiveness, remember tomorrow 9-1-01
  • Mom on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    I posted a reply in the last couple of days that did not appear. First of all, I am glad you are studying the Word of God. These debates are good, but I would not want to be a stumbling block to anyone. The main focus of the Bible is Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross. We as lost sinners need a redeemer.
    In regard to the Genesis account, I accept what is stated in the Bible. We should not indulge in speculation. Since the Mosaid laws were handed down, it would be unthinkable for a brother and sister to have a sexual union. If there were other people already on the earth, then I don't understand why God would have had to create Eve especcially for Adam ( Gen. 2:20). I don't understand why it was permitted for Adam's sons to marry into those other people if it wasn't okay for Adam. But, be that as it may, we do see later on that Abraham married a half sister, Sarai ( Genesis 20:12). This was not an isolated incident of close kin marrying.
    Keep on studying the Word!
  • Mom on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    I see what you are saying about the first creation of people. I respectfully disagree. I think the Lord simply goes into more detail "it is not good that man should be alone . . ." But be that as it may, we can see for a certainty that Noah's grandchildren must have married their cousins. For according to Genesis 7:13 Noah and his wife, the three sons and their wives entered the ark. When they left the ark, there were no other humans on the earth. All flesh not on that ark had died. So it is no stretch of the imagination for me to believe that Noah's grandchildren married close kin. This practice continued during the time of Abraham ( Gen. 20: 12) married to his half sister; Isaac married to a cousin in Gen. 24, 25; Jacob married to cousins Leah and Rachel. But I am glad you are still studying! God bless you!
  • Pro on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    The Power of Truth

    WARNING: the information you are about to learn can get you killed.
    (Quiz: what do Mrs. Bhutto, Martin Luther King Jr., the Kennedys and Abraham Lincoln have in common?)

    Son of man, set they face against God, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. Ezekiel 38:32

    God doesn't send evil, but He allows it. In the Bible, in the book of Job, you can see that Satan has to deal with God to get permission to hurt (test) Job. Bible verses translated from Hebrew and Greek stating that God has an evil spirit are erroneous. God is Law, and when people break the law, they find themselves under the curse of the law, but if they obey the 10 commandments, they keep themselves under blessings. When Jacob (a black man) supplanted his twin brother, Esau (a white man with red hair blue eyes - Aryan) of his birthright in exchange for food, their father Isaac (which was Ismahel's half brother by Abraham - Ismael being the Arab Muslims) Isaac put Esau's material blessing (Banks) on Jacob (who later became Israel's 12 Tribes) along with the spiritual blessing of the Kingdom of God on earth (Torah) there was no more blessings to put on Esau (the 13th Tribe). So in Genesis 27:40, the father Isaac blessed Esau with a conditional blessing - IF... then.... (if Jacob breaks the law, then Esau will get the material blessing - the banks) and Jacob sinned.

    Revelation 11:15 "The Kingdom of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ: and he shall reign forever and ever". Luke 1:31-35 Jesus was born to be king. Greater is He that is in you than he (Lucifer) that is in the world!

    Revelation 13:17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (666).

    God is the only power there is. Lucifer is not a power (the only power he has is money); he is the arch-deceiver. He thrives on illusions, myths and lies. The myth of the two powers (God wrestling against Evil) is nothing else than a lie. It is nothingness. If you had all the powers of God in you right now, which you do, you would not have to use it, because there is nothing to use it against or to challenge it with. The two power myth (among many other lies) comes from the Garden of Eden when Lucifer deceived Adam and Eve. God asked them: "Who told you that you were naked?" Note to the readers: You will have to keep your mind open and be prepared to change your mind set with this Idea Replacement if you are to grasp this very simple thesis.

    After spending 60,000 years in caves with the "homme savant", during the Ice Age, God decided to reproduce His Holy (complete) character in man. Six thousand years ago, in the Garden of Eden, God (Elohim meaning family) planted a spirit in man Zech. 12:1 to connect with His Holy Spirit, and inspire man with things of the Spirit: language, music, arts and God’s master plan of 7,000 years duration, to reproduce Himself in man. God and the Word proceeded to make man after their image (holy character). Although Lucifer had already coveted God’s throne in heaven by saying in his heart: "I will be God - I will sit on the Throne" and had been cast out of heaven, he still had the responsibility to govern the earth with one third of the angels. HE IS THE PRINCE OF THE AIR (Media/TV/Entertainment). He was in the garden deceiving man, still is, and has a plan to interfere with God’s master plan both through World Ruling Empires and False Churches (Religions) by teaching his greedy get way of life opposed to God’s loving give way of life. Reference: Armstrong Correspondence Bible College.

    From Adam to Noah there is 1,000 years; from Noah to Abraham 1,000 years; to David another 1,000 and to Jesus 1,000 years - since Jesus 2,000 years for a total of 6,000 years. There is another 1,000 years to come (the Millennium when Jesus will be ruling the earth) and after that, there will be 100 years for the Judgement (White Throne) and then, there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. Right now we are at a couple of seconds prior to midnight on day #6.

    We are way passed the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, Rev. 6, which are: the white horse (false religions); the red horse (wars); the pale horse (pestilence/famines) and the black horse (death). There are still a lot of Tribulations and Heavenly Signs to come only Jesus can stop the complete annihilation of people on earth:
    The 7th Seal is the 7 Trumpets:
    1st trumpet - 1/3 of the trees & grass will burn;
    2nd turmpet - 1/3 of the sea will become blood;
    3rd trumpet - 1/3 of the fresh water will become bitter;
    4th trumpet - 1/3 of the light will be darkened;
    5th trumpet - (1st Woe) Rev. 9 - War between the King of the South (KoS) (Arabs) vs. the King of the North (KoN) which is Germany-led European Union
    (E.U.) Dan.11:40;
    6th trumpet - (2nd Woe) A Russian & Chinese Army of 200 million, Rev. 9:16, 1/3 of mankind will meet at Megiddo, 55 miles Northwest of Jerusalem, and kill
    1/3 of 7 billion people, Rev. 16:16; at that point people should repent Ezekiel 14:6;
    7th trumpet - (3rd Woe) (all within 24 hours) Return of Jesus Christ, the first Resurrection of saints and the
    7 Vials: 1st vial: Sores; 2. bloody sea; 3.bloody water; 4. burning sun; 5. darkness & pain; 6. Euphrates River dries up, and 7. the
    greatest earthquake ever when Jesus’ feet land on Mount of Olives and the mount cleaves in two - Zech. 14:4.

    Since the beginning Lucifer oppressed the world through very cruel and murderous World Ruling Empires – the Great Image in Daniel 2 and 7 and the Beast in Revelation 13 and 17 all represent the same government by Satan, on earth:
    I. Chaldean Empire Nebuchadnezzar 825-538 B.C. (head of gold);
    II. Medo-Persian Empire 539-330 B.C. (shoulders and arms of silver);
    III. Greco-Macedonian Empire 334-323 B.C. (torso of brass);
    IV. Roman Empire 30 B.C. – A.D. 476 till Christ returns, now. The two legs are the Western Capital: Rome & Eastern Capital: Constantinople. The feet & toes are 5 nations in the West, and 5 nations in the East of E.U. The feet and 10 toes of iron (KoN) mixed with clay (KoS) are ten contemporaneous (at the same time) European kings in the E.U. In Revelation 13 & 17, the seven-headed beast and the ten horns represent 10 successive resurrections (governments), of the amalgamated Church and State - Holy (Catholic Church) Roman Empire (State) KoN, swift, hard and brutal as iron ruling government or Globalisation is leading the whole world, through filthy rich empires from the four quarters (4/4) of the earth: North, East, West and South (N.E.W.S.) Europe, Russia/China/India, the Bush Administration in U.S. and the Conservative Party (Mulroney/Harper government) in Canada, and Arabs into a New World Order (NWO). The last resurrection was the 9th horn (WWII). The coming 10th resurrection’s propaganda is to foment hatred between Iran and Zionists (Israel) to provoke WWIII; and most churches are totally hypnotized by the Illuminati (Lucifer).

    The NWO loves: Police states, Arts and cheap labour. It has a pattern of slavery and unimaginable cruelty, genocide, threats, assassinations, poisonings, plant temptation and use sex blackmail (as in Lewinsky) and botched operations and always use a fall guy (someone to blame if things go wrong - like Hitler in WWII, Hitler being a Rothschild's illegitimate cousin, and Bin Laden for the War on Terror) typical signature of the NWO. While Germany was winning WWII, they got Hitler to commit suicide, while a sex blackmailed U.S. President, Woodlow Wilson in 1913, had agreed to appoint a Zionist Braedeis as U.S. Supreme Court judge, through a Rotschild's law firm, Braedeis quid pro quo Britain to bring U.S. troops for Balfour Act, if the Brits would give Jerusalem to Germany by recognizing the Zionists, the Nazi’s new creation, ISRAEL, in the Balfour Act to Rothschild, then the Brits would win the war. Britain had no more right to do that than China has the right to give Canada to U.S. Also Google, Charles Lindbergh 1913 speech re. the invisible government of the monetary power.

    After he had a dream, General Albert Pike, an Illuminati and a Freemason, completes his military blueprint for three World Wars to enfold: WWI he planned to foment war between the British and the Germans; WWII - the slaughter of Jews to foment hatred against Germans and to create the Zionist Nation, a military base in the Middle East; and WWIII - foment hatred to play Iran, the Islamics, against the Zionists so they (Zionists) can exterminate Islam. Reference: The History of the House of Rothschild, by Andrew Hitchcock. All this evil is planned by the Bilderberg Group (13 rich families of greedy gangsters).

    The Rothschilds (Esau) violent, barbarian murderers, claim that they are Jewish. They are from Khazaria and had to convert to Jewry by instructions of the King. In slaughtering millions of real (Jacob) Jews, the AshkeNAZI Jews, what they like to call themselves, met in secret underground and planned to force real Jews from all over the world to move to Jerusalem and they created a Zionist Nation. Every Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew (90% of Jews today are Khazars - Ashkenazi Jews). Their Roth (German for red) schild (sign) is the red Hexagram, 9/11 IX XI, which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666. Adolf Hitler did not have a grand-father (but he had his character). Joseph Rothschild's son looks exactly like Hitler.

    The stone, in Daniel 2:45, was cut out of the mountain without hands, hitting the statue's feet, it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. That stone cut without hands means a discourse not thought by universities, nor by man, but is inspired from God, and is the Word of God, the Torah (you will know the Truth and the Truth will make you free. John 8:32) and when it hits (now) the statue on the feet it vaporises Satan’s ruling kingdom on earth (illusions/myths and lies) once and for all. Daniel 2:44. Zechariah 4:6-7 This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain...

    Then Jesus will rule during the Millennium, Revelation 14:14, where the lamb will sit with the lion and there will be the great harvest of souls. Jesus’ resurrection was the Barley Harvest; the Church, to help Him during the Millennium, is the Wheat Harvest and during the Millennium will be the Grape (people) great Fruit Harvest. Now is not the time to harvest for the Kingdom of God for He has planned one thousand years to do just that.

    The Illuminati also known as the: Freemason, Luciferian, Ku Klux Klan, New World Order owning half the wealth of the world, Rothschilds' 500 Trillion Dollars have a plan by making money through wars. Very similar to 1817 where they fomented war between Britain and the United States wishing on the U.S. for refusing their bank, that the U.S. would be in such deep debt fighting that war, that they would surrender to the Rothschilds - in recent years, their latest fiasco, showed the same pattern. Before Bush Jr. took office, the budget had over a 250 Billion Dollars Surplus and after, Bush left a 1.3 Trillion Dollars Deficit. The Republicans wasted the Surplus, plus all the tax Revenues for twelve years and signed 1.3 Trillion Dollars into legislation for wars industries in order to bring the United States under the control of the Bankers. The Zionists, Corporations, United Nations, International Law, European Union, African, Asian and Indian Markets, Saudis, UNESCO, IMF, NATO, NAFTA, World Trade Organization, Military Industrial Complex (MIC) Eisenhower's farewell speech, Globalisation, Green parties, Pharmaceutical companies, Viagra & the porn industry, Sex trade & Pedophilia, Opium, Vaccines induced diseases infirmities and deaths such as AIDS in Africa being a crop of mass vaccinations in the 1940-50s and other mass murders and genocides in Africa and South America, Pandemic diseases, Street drugs, Mass incarceration of black men, the Food Industry, Water, Oil, Gold & Silver, Diamonds & precious metals (mining), religions, media, TV, University & College education, research & development, cell phones, toys, makeup, tooth paste, coffee and toilet paper etc. And we wonder if 9/11 was a conspiracy? IX XI was necessary.

    May God bless Jacob ( Ezekiel 37) and punish Esau ( Ezekiel 38 & 39). Remember, it is better to know this in silence than to speak and be silenced!
  • Trent on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Agree, there is no evidence that Cain married his sister. To me, there's more evidence that more people were created that just Adam and Eve. This verse suggests male and female were created on the same day (Link then later Eve was created.
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Cain did not marry his sister, to marry in the old
    testament was to have sex. Look up Gen. 6:4 then
    research who "The Sons of God" were in the time of
    the old testament, and then you will know who Cain
    married and a whole lot more.
  • Joseph Hewison on Genesis 4:7 - 15 years ago
    It appears to me that every time I choose other than the divine way, the path God has directed for my life; I am moving in the way of Cain.

    The Word speaks to me that even so, God is offering the door of repentance by which I can enter.

    This Word has penetrated my heart and the truth has reach It's mark.
  • Mom on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    Trent, I hope you keep studying the word and don't get discouraged with some of these difficult passages. In regard to the question over Cain marrying a sister most likely, that is all that would have been available. I made another comment minutes ago about the practice of marrying closes relations continuing up to the time of the Mosaic laws. The incestuous relationship where I see God definitely did NOT bless was the one in which Lot's two ungodly daughters got him drunk and then seduced him to preserve their family line ( Gen. 19.) The offspring of that resulted in two of the most ungodly cultures, the Moabites and the Ammonites.
    Hope this helps, and don't get discouraged!
  • Mom on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    In Genesis 3:20 it says that Eve was the mother of all living. I have heard of the theory of a "first creation " in the first chapter of Genesis and respectfully submit that since the Bible is silent on that subject that we should not speculate. Later on, before the Mosaic laws are given out, we read of other Bible couples that would seem to be incestuous, Abram married to his half sister Sarai ( Genesis 20:12,) their son Isaac married to a cousin, Rebekah ( Genesis 24, 25,) their son Jacob (Israel) married to cousins Leah and Rachel. We have to remember that Adam and Eve were perfectly created beings so the gene pool was perfect; as sin entered the world over time man's genes became less perfect. By the time Moses' law came around, God made it clear to His people that he wanted the practice of in-family sexual relationships to cease. God is good! Hope this helps, Trent, or anyone else interested in this subject:)
  • Daniel on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    His wife came from the first creation..They did have more offspring..
  • Nadal Montoya on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    I was thinking the exact same thing! Where did Cain's wife come from? It must have been Eve, unless Adam and Eve had a daughter that was never mentioned...
  • Daniel on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    the first creation of man was within the six days,then God came back and made Adam.If you read its plain to see.God brought everything for Adam to name,but he couldnt find a mate suttable for him.And Adam was the first man with a soul
  • Isaias on Genesis 4 - 15 years ago
    AS it was written in Genesis1:27 before hand lord God created man in many places out in this world,Except for Adam and Eve created to dwell in Eden ,adam was created from dust while the man of this world was from word mentioned by God"Let us make man in our Image "
  • Dave on Genesis 4 - 16 years ago
    read the bible, until now there was no mention of the bible, if adam had more sons and daughters at the time why were they not mentioned? as well as, no mention to the creation of the land of nod...what is the land of nod? why is it called that?
  • Roman on Genesis 4 - 16 years ago
    later in genesis 5 it says adam had more dons and daughters
  • Trent on Genesis 4:17 - 16 years ago
    Where did Cain's wife come from? Up to this point in history, the Bible only mentions 4 people in existence: Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel- and Abel was killed. Did God actually create more people in the beginning, but not mention it in the Bible? Otherwise, the only way for Cain to have a wife an kids would have been through the only woman existing- his mother, Eve.


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