Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 3

T. Lewis Not taking sides but who else does Gods Word say other than adam and eve were made after the image

of God and what is the image of God?

Genesis 1:26, "them" "over all the Earth" Genesis 1:27, Genesis 1:28, hopefully these are helpful

I am a bit confused with Genesis 4:16. Adam and Eve were the first people created by God and their first children were Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel being the first murder case to be recorded. God punished Cain and Cain being afraid begged not to be killed and God put a mark on cain. Who were the people Cain was scared of of being killed by them? When were people in the land of Nod, east of Eden created? Where and who were the parent of Cain's wife?

Pastor Arnold Murray, on TV said they were, fraternal twins. I am studying,thank you for your answer. Lydia

Nope. Read it again slowly. Read the Geneologies.

Cain and Abel were twins.

Hi Rene Bourrier , John 21:25 says I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. So there simply isn't enough space, nor do we have enough time for Yahweh to have written everything down. There is no way we would have read everything nor have gotten the message. As it is, people still find The Bible too long to read, so why would Yah have made it longer? Instead he focused mostly on his people or the message that was at the core of the scriptures. We will know things that really doesn't matter like Cain's wife when we get into the kingdom. God bless you.

God is the creator!!! Therefore, I am sure HE provided for them!!! He is Holy and righteous in all His provisions!!!

Hi Rene Adam and Eve had daughters and the sons married the daughters the bloodline was a lot purer back then and that's an entirely different teaching. To this day Amish will marry second cousins. Remember eve is known as The mother of all living Gen.3:20.

How did Cain"s wife come in the picture, if Cain and Abel where the only people on the planet from from their parents, Adam and Eve?

6th day creation,.. God made all the flesh races on the 6th day ,.. hunters , fishermen,.. etc,.. an he looked , an it was good, ( genius chapter 1 , last 4-5 paragraphs) he rested on the 7th day ,.. an then on the 8th day , he needed a farmer , one to till the land , of a blood line for Jesus to come threw ,.. an of course, satin has always tried to screw up Gods plan of salvation,.. failing of course in all ways ,.. nothing happens without our Fathers knowledge and control,..

peace

Adam & Eve lived to a ripe old age. It's not illegal for first cousins to wed 3rd cousins. It's just an observation, but the gene pool back in those times was much stronger.

You can see that by the Book of Leviticus 18 or in Deuteronomy; God set limitations on what others consider to be incest; intermarrying.

These laws were introduced not until Leviticus.

I think the books of the Laws are really interesting. Many food laws were for protection against death from pathogens from unrefrigerated foods, like pork. Eggs should be cooked and stored without refrig. because of salmonella, etc.

Hello, Myra this is a common question.

First, the Bible isn't big enough to capture every detail of history of the world, so some things have to be left out. For example, if doesn't discuss each person necessarily eating, drinking water, using a restroom, or bathing, but we can safely assume these things happened. But it shares the most important things.

So, the omission of Cain's wife is one of those things. Here are 2 theories commonly stated for where Cain found a wife:

1. Land of Nod Genesis 4:16-17

2. Eve had daughters and one became his wife

It was God's plan that everyone is related so incest wasn't a sin early on, but was how God wanted to populate the Earth.

Land of Nod idea means that God created more people but it wasn't disclosed in the Bible. If this is true, I don't believe it occurred until after they were banished from the garden. It says Adam and Eve were the first and also that all generations go back to Adam. This is just my current opinion. God bless.

If Adam and eve were the only people on earth and they had son s where did the wife come from that Cain married. im confused

In so many comments, it seems that some get far off of topic and away from the text being studied. I understand the desire to share what one feels should be put forth in these comments. I must say that I appreciate the comments that address the text being studied the most. I try to keep in mind whom my audience might be when I write, wishing to build up, encourage, and edify. I realize I have been walking with the Lord all of my life (65 yrs) and have been studying the Bible since I could read it for myself at age 9. The Spirit has been so good to me over the years in my private studies, but I also have been helped by learning from what others tell me or write about Scriptures and doctrines. I try to imagine that there may be a new believer/reader of/scripture reading these comments. I especially hope that my writings can help these brethren. Just a thought.

To close out chapter 4, it was in the first city/cities that tradesmen began to work with metals, build structures, develop artistic talents such as music, and to farm with livestock (did the continue to be vegetarians if they had livestock?).

It seems that when mankind began to gather in large groups, advancements in civilization happened quickly. Here in Enoch, the tenth generation of mankind was already smeltering and forging metals. What other advancements might they have learned to do by this time? By the time of the flood, advanced structures were probably built around the world, perhaps pyramid or ziggarut type of structures that would take a large number of people to participate in the building and a long period of time to complete. Some say that the pre-flood civilization was even more advance than where we are today, considering what has been accomplished in the past 1500 years. I don't know about that. That would mean space travel and I don't see any evidence in Scripture that talks about that. Even so, think about the pre-flood knowledge used to build cities right after the flood. Lot's of skills.

In this chapter, we are told that first Cain was born and then Abel. It does not say that Eve conceived again and had Abel, so perhaps they were twins. Since God said that he would increase the pains of labor for Eve, it is not known if she had given birth to daughters before these sons, or if daughters were born between Cain/Abel and Seth. We are told that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters besides these three children. We are not told how old Adam and Eve were when Cain and Abel were born. We are told that Adam and Eve were 130 when Seth was born. A lot of people can be born and grow to adulthood in 130 years. God was filling the earth through Adam and Eve before Seth was born. That made it possible for Cain to find a wife from among his sisters or nieces. Abel and Cain may have been married at the time Cain killed Abel. We do not know how old each one was at this time, but there were enough people for Cain to be concerned about what others may do to him as he moves away from his family. It is thought that this was the first murder and first human death. With enough people to build a city in Nod, we really do not know that no one had died before Cain. Personally, I think this was the first death in the world. How sorrowful for Adam and Eve. And how powerful a way to bring back to memory what God had said to them when He said that they would die if they ate the fruit of the forbidden tree. What a sad way to learn what death means. I think that sometimes we don't imagine these early patriarchs as being much like us in love and emotions. I think that these feelings may have been much more intense that whet we feel. i think the passing of time and the pervasiveness of death and wickedness hardens us a bit. Let's pray for God to soften our hearts.

Don't know what the mark of Cain was, don't know where Nod was or how far from Eden it was. Don't know how big the first city of Enoch was either, and don't wish to speculate. I don't find it necessary to know.

Ahh, Chapter 4, what a blessing it is to have God's Word in written form and for us to have accessed the ability He put in us to learn to read and understand writing. And, to also have us access the ability in us to learn to write our thoughts and convey them to others. He com-m unicates with us and we communicate with each other! Beautiful! We don't have to feel alone.

I love that God announced the gospel of Jesus Christ in chapter 3. From the beginning, everyone in his/her own generation had the opportunity to be made right with God, regardless of how fully they understood the proclamation in Genesis 3. Everyone is responsible to respond to what knowledge they have been given by God in his/her own time. God is merciful, not desiring for anyone to perish, but to receive eternal life. How blessed we are in our generation, to be on this side of the life, death, and resurrection of our Savior. Jesus Christ! But with that blessing comes a greater responsibility. Let each of us pray to be given clear knowledge of what God requires of each of us personally, since we have been given much.

In thinking about the Tree of Life. Some say it is Jesus in the garden. Yet this tree is now in heaven according to Revelations, and in Revelations we are told that there is no sun in heaven because Jesus fills heaven with His light. We are told that we will be able to eat of the tree of life in eternity. I guess we will have to wait and see what is really meant by this tree of life when we enter eternity. We will also have to wait until heaven to see what God meant when He said that mankind had become like one of Them. Certainly we are not like God in sin and imperfection, because God is holy and altogether good. There is no imperfection in him. he is infinitely perfect. It doesn't mean we are like him in perfection and goodness, because Jesus said that only God is good. We know good and evil.

This chapter speaks about Adam and Eve having children after the fall in the garden.

Chapter three:

1-12: Satan aka the serpent says to women that she should eat the fruit it has the knowledge and is good for food, women agreed and passed on to men, after the fruit was eaten they "opened their eyes" and ran from God due to nudity and fear. God put the tree there and made them in his image therefore God is evil and good and or has a concept of it.



15-16: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Women and men were separated and this caused them pain)

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (He wanted them to populate the Earth but in his rath, he took all their resources and turned the Earth against them, and made it hard for them to actually reproduce, also for some reason even though they were supposed to be equal made man rule over women)

17-20: God makes land poison and makes a man die and "return to dust." Even becoming a mother to all living and given the previous statement was a punishment for her sexuality and the desire to be independent.

Lystra George ,there is some speculation about this ,i can only tell you what i believe ,others may have a different explination ,Cain commited murder ,God did not sentence him to death ,if He had Cain would have died at this point in the narrative ,God allowed Cain to continue living ,Cain was afraid that the people who loved Abel might try to kill him because he had killed Abel ,Cain asked God to do something to help him so that no one would kill him ,God chose to put a mark on Cain somewhere on him where everyone would see it ,no one knows what this mark was ,i have my own idea but its just my speculation so i'll keep it to myself ,this mark for some reason which we dont definately know ,stopped anyone from killing Cain , as you read there will be lots of things that come together slowly to you ,thats how it should be ,dont worry if you dont understand everything straight away ,no one does i promise you ,just stick with the Bible and come on here and ask us anything ,i will ask you ,do you think the mark of Cain and the bruise on the serpents head might be conncted ? You will know the answer to this question eventually i promise you ,may God bless your efforts to draw closer to Him .

And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

I would like more clarity thank you.

Hi Afrain.

The scripture doesn't say Cain got his wife from Nod. it says he dwelt in Nod and new his wife, nor does it gives the age of Cain and Abel, We know they had produce and animals and most likely families, And Adam and Eve was asked to multiply the Earth, So of course they had daughters, They could have been hundreds of years old and there could have had Thousands on the Earth from Adam and Eves offspring. I believe Cain had his already had a wife before he went to Nod, Either a sister or a niece.

Genesis 4:16-17.

( And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, )

and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Why would God tell Adam and Eve to replenish the earth if it's already populated?

I hope this helps

God bless.

Genesis 5

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he (Adam) begat sons and daughters:

As was nothing in Genesis 4 that requires that Cain met people in the land and married into their clans.

We don't know if Cain and Abel had any other siblings at the time of Abel's murder, but we do know from Genesis 5:4, that Adam and Even had other sons and daughters.

It is not at all unreasonable to think that as the population of the world increased they spread out from around Eden into other lands. (NOD). All the members of the first generation would have married siblings or children of siblings. The genetic mutations we are concerned about now would not have been a problem, only after generations would mutations have crept into the gene pool and the danger of close intermarriage (consanguinity) come into being. In the first generations after Adam and Eve, human population would only have increased by FAMILIAL intermarriage.

Mishael comment: the gene pool was so new and strong, that (incest) was able to withstand genetic weaknesses and disease that it causes in our present time.

In fact, it is not until the book of LEVITICUS that we find it forbidden to marry siblings, half sibling and in laws.

Where did Cain find a wife? In the gap between Cain's banishment and Cain's marriage, ( Genesis 5:4). Adam and Eve had more children, probably many more children. We don't know how much TIME PASSED before Cain took a wife, but it's possible that Adam and Eve's children married and had children.

Cain probably married a sister, or maybe a niece. His wife came from the only available population of humans: the descendants of his parents Adam and Eve.

Mishael

If cain and abel were adam and eve first two born of eve. Where did or who these people came from. When cain found a wife in nod.

if there were 4 people were did cain wife come from

Genesis 3:21

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

In order to make clothing for Adam and Eve, God had to kill an animal, shed it's blood; to make clothes for them.

Because they sinned, their spiritual connection to God was severed. They were flesh and soul. The were prevented from eating of the TREE OF LIFE. If they had, they would've lived eternally in sin.

We see that the TREE OF LIFE was moved to heaven, in the Book of Revelation.

Mankind has lived throughout history, with the knowledge of good and evil; or sin, and separation from God.

Revelation 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:2

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

In Revelation, the tree of life represents the restoration of the life-giving presence of God. Restored access to the tree of life was made possible by "the second Adam" ( 1 Corinthians 15:44-49), Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of all humanity.

Cain Genealogy

Genesis gives Adam and Eve three children, named Cain, Abel and Seth.

A genealogy tracing the descendants of Cain is given in Genesis 4, while the line from Seth down to Noah appears in Genesis 5.

Jesus came through Seths bloodline.

Who did Cain marry? What was the mark? Did God have to shed blood to cover Adam and Eve's disobedience?

I am wondering how many people made it to the Promised Land originally?

Earl,

Amen, Thanks Earl

If you carefully read Genesis, you'll see that after Cain, Abel and Seth; Eve had more children.

I get lots of info from reading Geneology lists in the Bible. You can Google charts of BIBLE Geneology that you can look at.

Jesus's Geneology is really interesting if you know where the Bible speaks about some of his ancestors. Rehab was a prostitute. Ruth had been a Moabite priestess who assisted with child sacrifice. Very interesting.