Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 7

God did say be fruitful and multiply so it's not sin for them at that time to be fruitful and to multiply.

For Mel, You wouldn't call it incest as you have to put yourself in the picture when you read scripture. Pre Noah's flood, humans lived close to a thousand years and had lots and lots of kids. After Noah the new environment conditions and Gods command reduced our life span to 120 years.These days you may marry someone 5 or 10 years younger and have a few kids but in those days you may have married someone 200 years younger and from many generations away from yourself genetically. My grandparents had ten kids and lived for 85 years. Last count we had about 200 decendants from them. Can you imagine if they had lived for 900 years and their kids and kids kids also lived 900 years...Lots of people around quickly and after a few hundred years nobody would know who was closely related to who and all this in a pure Adamite Gene pool with very few of our modern defects. Cain was probably alone for a few hundred years before very happily bumping into a girl for him from one of his distant relatives. If you look at a world population graph, you will see how fast the population has grown in only the last few hundred years.

My comment as the same Robert Ryan Olea. So I'm wondering if there were incest going on ?

"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:"

I love my enemies and will pray for them.

Am a 79 year old woman.....As humans we are neither bad or good...the problem with humanity is that we tend to be curious, head strong and actually bossy......But as years pass .....We finally realize,,,that we lean more towards man's ways... Instead of God's way.....it feels like this world has become Godless , like in the days of the flood. God freely gave us a new beginning and again ...man has proven Satan right.....Man is not worthy of God....until we learn to heed the word of God we will never reach that ever lasting happiness......Once man comes to terms that the earth does not belong to man...We are just the keepers...

Geraldine Cole

You are correct. Adam was put in charge of the Garden. The spreading of sin to all of mankind has resulted from the inability of Adam to uphold the Law of God and resist what Satan was offering him.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

Eve, however, was also there. In fact, Eve was the first person to accept Satan's proposal, look at Genesis 3:6.

Both Adam AND Eve received punishment for what happened in the Garden, look at Genesis 3:16.

The transgression that took place in the Garden of Eden had nothing to do with a piece of fruit. Both Adam and Eve were wholly seduced by Satan.

After the act took place:

Eve's punishment concerned child birth.

Satan's punishment concerned the separation of "seed" from the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

Eve found Satan to be "desirable" and "pleasant to the eyes" ( Genesis 3:6, 2 Corinthians 11:3). The punishment by our heavenly Father upon Eve, (and all of womankind) included her desire to now be focused upon her "husband, and he shall rule over thee" Genesis 3:16.

A few minutes of research into Scripture and a Bible Concordance will likely bring this topic into better light.

A man should not blame a woman for a mistake he made. Neither should a woman blame a man for a mistake she made.

It seems like nobody is doing their job anymore, male or female. How far ahead would mankind be if we took responsibility for our actions!!!

Luke 6:42

God stared man out well but in man disobedient to God every thing changed for it was the Man that God put in charge Not!!! The women when the Man disobeyed God EVERYTHING fell down and so thats where we stand today we are still disobedient because of man decision he makes we cannot say men u are blameless God put U in charge he made women as your helper Not Your boss and he told man how to treat the women with respect and love he made the women for man the man.man was lonely. not man for women now we see why EVERYTHING is a mess man is not on his Godly Job still blaming women.

What is the statement just before this section "the 1611 bible the he verson " reading that threw me a bit

If only cain and able were on earth how did cain know his wife? sounds like a fairytale.

Abdul, the danger of interbreeding only began some time after sin entered the world through Adam & Eve. It has nothing to do with God removing one of man's ribs & forming wo-man (= out of man) from it. And cloning cannot be attributable to the Creator, Who isn't in the business of cloning, as some scientists/doctors have a propensity to delve deeper into; when God creates, it is out of nothing; the use of a man's rib was to show that this new human (woman) was a product of man's creation ( Gen 2:22,23) yet nonetheless, equal to him in every respect, except in the order of creation. He could have easily created a woman fresh from the dust of the Earth, as He did the man. And it has been shown, that the rib (if a particular membrane is left intact after the rib's removal) can in fact produce a new rib in the course of time (the only bone in our bodies to be able to do this). So doctors do take tissue from the rib for reconstruction purposes in other areas of the body (just a side comment that I researched into!).

After Adam & Eve sinned & through them sin was passed onto all people, as the initial population multiplied, their transmitted genes would have become further diverse as the gene pool increased. This would have led to abnormal mutations within humans, producing severe deformities. Man would have stopped interbreeding long before God's law was given against this ( Lev 20), but this initial interbreeding, which would have had negative medical effects had it been allowed to continue, would have gone on for some time for the population of the Earth. Yes, we are all inter-related going back to Adam & Even, but after the Flood, our relationship to our forerunners are more correctly, towards Noah & his offspring.

But if we are to talk about incest, Eve was born from Adams ribs. Wouldn't that be a type of cloning?

That would be like marrying his daughter. And if God created everything and everyone then we are all related in some sort. We only know of incest now because we were taught to recognize it as a sin but in those times the main importance was to multiply and fill the earth with souls for the glorification of God.

The entire world today has stopped,The 1918-flue-stopped ww 1,I truly believe it's the seals opened,

Revelation 6:2 Ps 45:4

So where did the people from the land of nod come from that Cain knew his wife? Is this the 6th day creation? Then on the 8 th day GOD make the farmer which is Adam in which the blood line of Jesus would come?

Donovan, the meaning of 'generation' is important here. As we know, this word has been used throughout Scripture, but most today only understand it to apply to forty years. However, the Greek word 'genea' also allows for 'family, race, age'. Though the nation of Israel being (re) formed in May 1948 is significant to end time prophecy, the Lord's reference in Mt 24:34 to generation can only be applied to 'this age' = those alive prior to the closing of this age of unbridled sin. Jesus took his disciples to the Mt. of Olives & described the destruction of the Temple. His disciples asked (v3), when all this would happen. So Jesus describes what we refer to as the Great Tribulation, that would not only affect Israel severely, but would impact all people all over the world. Jesus doesn't give a date ( Mt 24:36) as this fact was known only to the Father. This could mean that Jesus, in his humanity, was not aware of it, or that the Godhead kept it hidden from us so we always remain ready.

Donovan - unless the United Nations, is the Lord, it was they who gathered and created the Israeli state in 1948. I think this is a counterfeit creation. Lucis trust publications (used to be Lucifer trust) is a printing arm of the UN.

Lucis trust about: History "The Lucis Trust was established by Alice and Foster Bailey as a vehicle to foster recognition of the universal spiritual principles"...."A publishing company, initially named Lucifer Publishing Company"

Support of the United Nations: "The Lucis Trust has Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations (ECOSOC) and World Goodwill is recognized by the Department of Public Information at the United Nations as a Non-Governmental Organisation (NGO)"

in Matthew chapter 24 it says and this generation shall not pass. A lot of christians seem to think it is refering to the reuniting of isreal in 1948. What do you believe.

Lisa Pensworth, Is this what you are talking about? Revelation Chapter 1 verse 20

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

If so then there is no doubt what they truly are - if you are willing to understand the evidence and the logic. Trust me.

What are the seven mysteries in the Bible?

The author of Hebrews is unknown. There are various guesses as to who it could be, but no scriptural proof as to who wrote it.

Th Holy Spirit is our Comforter; He teaches us the Bible when we need help; shows us what Jesus is all about; He convicts us when go astray. No wonder Jesus tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit. There's so much love there. You can be as close to Him as you want or need.

Thank you to all who have answered my question. I love being able to ask questions and actually getting responses. Part of the reason why I never finished reading the Bible as a child is because I had no one to answer my questions.I have downloaded the pdf of the KJB, but prefer the online version for this reason. Thanks again to all and God Bless.

It was his sister, we know this Genesis 5:4.

Who is the author of Hebrews?

Explain Ephesians 3:20

In Bible genealogies, daughters were not recorded there unless they were in the direct bloodline of Jesus Christ. Genesis ch 5:4 days after Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years & had other sons and daughters. Seth lived 907 years & had sons & daughters. My GUESS is that cousins married.

Arriving at chapter 6, Satan's angels that got kicked out of heaven with him, started taking wives from Adams lineage. They were giants (like Goliath). Scientists have actually excavated skeletons of them.

Genesis 6:5-7, God was grieved at his heart that he had made man.

Enter Noah. Genealogy picked back up through Noah's decendents. Genesis 9:18

You have to read and take notes about all the Genealogy. God keeps track of all humans born in a book. Even the ones who didn't get born. All the days of our life is recorded in a book: miscarriages, abortions and live births. There's a scripture in Psalms that God oversaw the child being knit together in the womb, in secret. It's incredible to think about

An age-old question, next only to: the eternal existence of God. It can never be satisfactorily answered except what we learn from Scripture & understanding of human biology. Some have talked of a pre-Adamic race or Cain & Abel had older siblings: but these are not scriptural. We often imagine these two brothers were young when Cain took Abel's life. Yet, they could have been much older (it has been suggested: over 100 yrs old). Adam lived for 930 yrs ( Gen 5:5) so the likelihood of many more children after Cain: with as many as 32,000 at the time of Abel's death. Then the question of incest arises, even if Cain married a sister, cousin, niece. Medically, this would be a grave problem as also against the law. However, Adam & Eve were created perfect with an untainted gene pool & only after the fall, would incest become a grave issue. So if Cain married before the tainted genes were passed on, then his marriage to a sister could be considered & this became unlawful in Lev chaps 18 & 20.

Adam and Eve had other children, so Cain's wife could have been one of his sisters. The bible doesn't tell us specifically who Cain's wife was. At that time, they were allowed to intermarry. That would be incest to us and considered sin. It was sin then also. But we have to understand that at that time, God had not yet given the law, so they did not know that it was a sin.

Romans 5:13 says "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." So sin was not imputed before the law was given because there was no knowledge of sin. Nobody knew what sin was, though sin was there.

How can Cain have a wife if Eve is the only woman ? Who is Cain's wife and where did she come from ?

To Jill: I'm pretty sure I didn't say 'pandemic'. I would've said that it qualifies as a pestilence because it is covering the earth. Only God can show us what it is. At present there seems to be suspicion that it was an accident in a lab. I will go back and see what is that I wrote.

What it is showing us is that as a nation we are unprepared to react swiftly to disasters. Also that in crisis we turn to God for our help. Psalm 91.

The word pandemic is not in the Bible. I think many people have been blissfully living their lives without God for a long time. The Bible and prayer were kicked out of school in the mid 60's.