Genesis Chapter 9 Discussion Page 7

Where does God say, it would be fire next time.

Verse 14~Jehovah God created the rainbow as a sign that he would never flood the entire earth again.

I believe Noah was 600 when the flood happened.

Irene 123..servant means son, Caanan was given to his uncle's to raise and not punished. I don't know what Ham did either and the lesson is missed if there is one but the Holy Spirit does edify. Maybe Ham looked in unnatural lust or made dishonorable remarks. It reminds me of Cane and Abel, took a minute to get that too.

People lived a long time back then, also I think God let him live longer!

Bruce, it wasn't only Noah, almost all the pre-flood men lived very long. Adam was made to live forever, sin changed that, but, it took generations, for sin to wear down on our lives, and shorten them, not because God hates us, but, because sin itself is the root cause of sorrows, and death. Only one man was ever immune to death, and He gave His life away, so that we might live as God had planned.

Bruce; God has power to give life and to take it away: no man lives any amount of time by his own will by his supposed good health or any natural means; but by the word of God! When God wants one to live nine hundred plus years; what is that a problem? "Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? FOLLOW THOU ME!" John 21:22 Whether our years are short or long!

How did Noah live so long? People Don't live that long, he lived longer than 9 people combined.

I see a lot of confusion on here about what happened with Ham. He is cursed for fornication, it is a sin to see your parents naked according to Leviticus 18:7. He is not cursed for incest, that is heresy. What would covering the mother do to fix the problem? Also, if that were the case, she would be in the midst of sin as well.

Verse 1: God again stated his purpose that the earth be filled with humans. God values human life.

Ham should have not told his brothers about his fathers nakedness, but just covered him and kept it to himself. He dishonored his father in his words and actions to God I guess and so was dishonored. It is always good not to gossip. Honoring our parents is important. Not just fathers, but mothers also.

V. 19 -" ..... and of them ('them' referring to Noah's sons, not Noah) was the whole earth overspread". God doesn't mention Noah having any more children. Nor are we to 'speculate' on whether he did or not.

I do not understand v. 22 - nor do I have any tho'ts on it. But - I do know you cannot later read Lev. 20:11 and 'see' that this incest is the answer. One scripture has nothing to do with the other; there is no corroborating scripture to connect the two.

Leviticus 20:11 will make it very clear what Ham did and why Noah cursed the offspring. Shem and Japheth covered up their mother. "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness" (The very idea that a son simply seeing his father naked would be that big a deal as to curse a grandson is ridiculous.)

There was no wine in the Ark. According to verse 20 Noah became a husbandman (husbandman means one who cultivates the land ,a farmer). And planted a vineyard verse 21 said he drank of the wine and was drunk,in the nude. Noah cursed only one son the youngest Ham, because when Noah woke up,he realized what Ham did to him, verse 24.its a shame

verse 20 and 21 tells where he got the wine probably didn't get drunk immediately might have been a year or so just goes to show us what that stuff does to us even the greatest can be brought down by it the bible tells us to stay away from it

To Netlace - You have done the same thing you have said I did. Nothing in Gen. says the 'wine' from the ark. It says nothing about 'wine' - fermented or not and nothing about grapes. How do you know there was wine on the ark? This is just an observation; no judging; please believe that.

RNM I agree 100 with you, would love to here more of your idea of the earth. Most know it is not a spinning marble chasing the sun, headed for hurcules...... Or I sure hope they do.... Bible proves it is stable.

The changing of grape juice to wine would occur quickly after the flood vs before because of the fall of the canopy. Whether the wine was leftover from before the flood or after, the new conditions of earth was new to Noah. I don't believe the age of his grandson is disclosed so time unknown. But prior to the flood wine kept a long time as unfermented. Noah walked with God, this was unintentional.

Irene123 ,, The reason for Noah becoming "drunk" is the wine had fermented because of the year in the ark. Someone who is not used to strong drink would easily become intoxicated. I am only aware of one occasion. He did not turn to drunken-ness. Please do not add such things, others may believe it to be truth...

To Charity eze - You need to KNOW - God is in CONTROL of everything - even our words. Noah was God's man - even though he turned to drunkenness after the flood; God still honored him. No one knows what Ham did, but- it was awful. God honored Noah's curse, and ONLY God had power to put it into effect. We have no power. Why Canaan? I have no answer for that. THAT - is God's business, not mine.

To Susan on Genesis ch. 9 -- I agree with you on that .................

Romans 10:17. All sin and fall short of the Glory of God. Noah was a good man but sinned by getting drunk. His son Ham took advantage of his fathers drunkeness and sinned His other sons knew this was wrong and covered their father, being careful to not even get a glimpse. All sin but all faithful can be forgiven John 3:16

V.9 Noah drank wine and was drunk, it is not figuratively speaking! V.24 Noah awoke from his wine. There is no context in these 2 v. of devine ecstacy or cultivating truth.

Noah's drunkenness describes figuratively a state of divine ecstacy, since his planting of a vineyard implies his cultivation of Truth and Holiness.

Hey there my friend. It was Noah, not God, who cursed Canaan. Many thanks to you and have a nice day! God bless

Why God cursed the son of Ham Canaan and not Ham him self. I need to know why. If we do something wrong , the course goes to the innocent children? What of the person has no child to who will the punishment go? Pls, I would like to know

James. Any man can fall into sin, as none is perfect. Only God is perfect.

How Can a Prophet get drunk? Isnt he supposed to be perfect and clean and without sin??

It is a new beginning where they now begin to add animal meat and God tells the people which animals they may eat and which ones they may not interesting because the animals that God says that w r may not eat, are animals that eat the filth of the water and Earth. The animals that God calls 'clean' , eat grass and similar kinds of clean foods that we can also eat. God is good.